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yes, and there are also little pink puff balls that can eat anything without growing in size, electric rodents, male/female mountain climbing identical twins, and blue hedgehogs that can run at the speed of sound.Have people even tried to jump backwards with heels?
Heels hinder movement.
I think that's why Sakurai gave them jet boosters. To make up for poor mobility.Have people even tried to jump backwards with heels?
Heels hinder movement.
Have you tried to double jump in real life?Have people even tried to jump backwards with heels?
Heels hinder movement.
I tried to double jump cancel.Have you tried to double jump in real life?
Well thats the thing if you watch some science doc's like i do you would know that a double jump is not entilry imposibleHave you tried to double jump in real life?
Dont talk about smash bros as if it comes in and basterdises any character put in it, In kirbys would sucking in crap make sence, in sonics speed of sound makes sence, Dont even get me stated on pokemon., in samus's world jack crap is even mentiond about high heels increasisng mobility. there a reason why ist called si-fi it have to have some form of reality in it.yes, and there are also little pink puff balls that can eat anything without growing in size, electric rodents, male/female mountain climbing identical twins, and blue hedgehogs that can run at the speed of sound.
Super Smash Bros. has always been about realism in its games, so its obvious an intergalactic bounty hunter can't fight in heels, we should just leave that to the pretty blond haired blue eyed princesses in the pink and opal gowns as they is the only ones who can pull it off no problem.
Very good. I agree 100%Personally, I don't mind them that much. But I think that people who do have a right to feel that way. It is kind of sexist. Not extremely sexist, but kind of sexist. If Smash Bros existed in a vacuum, this wouldn't matter. But Smash Bros is part of the larger gaming culture. Sexism is rampant in gaming. I know that in this sheltered corner of the internet that's a difficult thing for some of you to accept, but it's the truth. High heels are painful and impractical, but women wear them because they have long been part of the modern standard of beauty. High heels have a bigger significance to a lot of women and a lot of feminists than they might to dudes. They're something women wear for no other reason than to be sexy. And that's okay. Lots of women love high heels. But lots of other women hate high heels and wear them anyway because that's just what you do when you want to look nice. And either way there's not really an equivalent expectation for men. I mean, I guess ties are weird, but they aren't actively painful to wear. The cultural standard of attractiveness for men is much broader and less difficult to attain. High heels, like make-up, and if you want to go back really far, corsets, are one of those weird and impractical aesthetic expectations for women that men really never have to think about. Sure, there are certainly men who wear make-up and high heels and corsets, but those are outliers, and in most cases men who are deliberately trying to dress like women.
So when Samus' Zero Suit first incorporated high heels in Other M, people were upset, because this character, one of the first female protagonists in gaming, should not give a **** about what men or society want her to look like. She's a badass space warrior who spends most of her time completely hidden inside a bulky suit. It's just silly, and it's clear that it was only done to up her sex appeal, like the beauty mark. This is Team Ninja we're talking about after all. These things are not necessarily problems on their own, but when combined with all of the other icky sexism in Other M, they take on a greater significance. And there was A LOT of icky sexism in Other M: Samus' obsession with Adam even though he treats her like **** and endangers her life, yet he is depicted as an unambiguous hero even when he literally shoots Samus in the back, Samus literally turning into a little girl when confronted by Ridley, a foe she's killed like 6 times by this point in the chronology, Samus' obsession with her "baby" and the entire game being thematically based around motherhood, the most traditional female gender role of them all, etc. Next to these thematic issues with Other M, the high heels and beauty mark hardly matter at all. But they are nonetheless part of the unpopular changes made by Other M, a game that is without a doubt sexist. So when people were anticipating ZSS' appearance in Smash 4, many were probably hoping that those changes would not affect this depiction of the character. But lo and behold, beauty mark and high heels.
Despite what many of you think "feminists" are taking issue with, it's perfectly okay for her to be an attractive blond woman. That's always been a part of her character, and nobody is saying that it's sexist for a character to be attractive. That would be dumb. The problem is that this is a character that for a long time was perhaps the only central female video game character with an emphasis on her intelligence and strength over her looks. In the last decade or so, that has started to change, with Other M being the first Metroid game to make a huge deal out of her looks and at the same time make her look like a weak, incompetent, and childish character. What's saddest about that is that it's also the first Metroid game where Samus speaks, which means that the creators of the character may have intended her to be that way from the beginning, because that's how women are, right? The high heels and the beauty mark are part of that. On their own, they don't mean much, but when taken as part of the sexism of Other M and gaming culture and general, they become a bigger deal.
That said, I think what Sakurai has done is actually a nice compromise. He maintained the high heels from Samus' Other M redesign, but he gave them a practical function. They're not high heels, they're jet boots. And jet boots, unlike high heels, are not loaded with gender and sex connotations. Plus they're awesome and look like fun. But they still look like high heels, so they don't get off completely free. The beauty mark is not as much of a big deal, but I understand why people might have a problem with it too. Most women who have those drew them on, Cindy Crawford being a prominent exception, so they're another thing women go out of their way to do to be sexually attractive, even if its impractical. Personally, I don't mind it, it's kind of cute. But it wasn't a part of the character before her redesign in Other M.
I expect most of you will take issue with a lot of what I've said, but I hope some of this makes you consider things from a different perspective. It's not meant to be hostile or pedantic, I'm just trying to articulate why people might have a problem with the high heels.
tl;dr I personally don't think they're a big deal, but I can certainly see why people would.
I don't see your point. The heels are both ugly and designed to be sexy.I'm married to a guy who designs characters, clothing, and other graphics design **** for a living and we talked about this subject a length.
This seems to us to be... an issue where the expectation didn't really meet reality. Designer is told what they want Zero Suit's moveset to kind of do and has to come up with a justification those functions. He or she (hereafter "he," get over it Tumblr) is shown the designs they are working from (Other M, Brawl) and asked to come up with something that justifies the new moveset. This isn't a linear process, either... designers and artists work in tandem, which can create some "interesting" design problems.
Anyway, the boots probably became jet boots to accommodate Zero Suit's new recovery, which probably became jet heels when the artist desired some kind of explanation for boots providing propulsion. Like it or not, heels (as "exhaust pipes") can kind of do that, whereas a flat platform shoe doesn't, unless you want to strap jetpacks to each of her feet.. which would not really have fit the "streamlined" look Zero Suit Samus is famous for. I'm not sure the boots do either, but I think it would have been worse done another way. Since women often wear heels and gender issues are not at the forefront of Japanese political discourse as they often are in the United States, I don't think anyone really saw an issue with it and the design was put forward.
It's easiest to discern that they weren't designed with sex in mind when you consider that they are... not sexy, at all. They're ugly hunks of metal and don't exactly do wonders for Samus' silhouette.
i dont understand is this a compliment or insult?They're cool as **** though, and at the end of the day, that's what matters.
I meant that they are really cool, so a compliment.i dont understand is this a compliment or insult?
Oh then opinionated. XdI meant that they are really cool, so a compliment.
www.tumblr.comI don't see your point. The heels are both ugly and designed to be sexy.
The justifications for the designs were just excuses. All Smash characters can double or triple-jump (recovery) without any boots. If they wanted Samus to kick more, just give her kicks, there was no need to change her design. The only reason they gave the character heels was for sexualization. Even if the boots turned out ugly in the end.
Ran out of arguments?
You didn't really provide any arguments. The things you said are just opinion statements, not arguments. If you want an echo chamber that will mindlessly agree with everything you said, follow the link above.Ran out of arguments?
I was responding to your statement thatYou didn't really provide any arguments. The things you said are just opinion statements, not arguments. If you want an echo chamber that will mindlessly agree with everything you said, follow the link above.
I don't even know what you mean by "sexualize." Samus is already "sexualized" to a certain degree, as she has appeared in a bikini and combat boots as a "bonus" in no less than 3 metroid games.I was responding to your statement that
"It's easiest to discern that they weren't designed with sex in mind when you consider that they are... not sexy, at all. [and that they're] ugly hunks of metal and don't exactly do wonders for Samus' silhouette." and I argued that poor design and poor justifications (=excuses) doesn't mean that the additions of the heels doesn't sexualize the character-design of Samus.
You should stop making broad generalizations about people that don't agree with you. I came here to discuss, not boost my ego.
Also: What makes my counter-arguments opinionated statements compared to yours?
Her characterization has moved away from "the badass bounty hunter who happen to be sexy" to "sex object that happens to fight aliens". Also, pixelated half-naked 5-second bonus endings doesn't compare to the sexualization of Samus of today. I discussed my points here: http://smashboards.com/threads/am-i-the-only-one-who-thinks-that-zams-is-too-big.352264/I don't even know what you mean by "sexualize." Samus is already "sexualized" to a certain degree, as she has appeared in a bikini and combat boots as a "bonus" in no less than 3 metroid games.
The heels don't "sexualize" samus anymore than dying my blonde hair blonde makes my hair more blonde. I'm already blonde and Samus is already sexy. The entire concept of the "zero suit" stemmed from some post-game reward pin-up art for pubescent teenage boys. What you're saying is ridiculous, it's like complaining that stars shine in the night sky when there are so many more interesting things about stars to talk about. Samus is beautiful, but she's also independent, strong, and a ****ing bounty hunter.
And if she's sexy, so what? This is a non-issue. This isn't puritan, colonial America, this is 2014. Women are not delicate flowers to be protected from the harms of sex or sexiness and Samus' heels are in the shallow end of a pool that was for kids to begin with. Bark up another tree.
What the beauty mark?Who cares about the heels? I'm to busy hating a certain new face feature. Damn, I see why Metroid: Other M is so hated.
Agreed.I've never understood the hate for Zamus's new design.
The designers did exactly what they were supposed to do - make her look like a sexy, bad ***, futuristic space warrior. Her Brawl model looks extremely bland in comparison... In fact I'd go as far as saying she received the best upgrade of all the veterans revealed thus far.
The only minor complaint I have is her chest size. They are far too large for someone with such a thin frame.
I agree to an extent.Agreed.
And yeah, when I first saw Zamus in Smash 4, my attention was not on the heels at all. Rather, like you said, her enormous rack and tiny body coupled with her skin-tight suit makes her look like a glorified Barbie doll. Not quite as freakishly unnatural as Barbie, but the same kind of psychological association is triggered: something just looks wrong, here.
Now, that said, I've grown more used to the way Zamus now looks. It doesn't bother me as much as it first did. However, it's as clear as day that the people who made Zamus in Smash 4 were less concerned about her looking feminine, and more concerned with appealing to raw male hormones with proportionately enormous breasts.
I see you've played Namco Fighting games before.Agreed.
And yeah, when I first saw Zamus in Smash 4, my attention was not on the heels at all. Rather, like you said, her enormous rack and tiny body coupled with her skin-tight suit makes her look like a glorified Barbie doll. Not quite as freakishly unnatural as Barbie, but the same kind of psychological association is triggered: something just looks wrong, here.
Now, that said, I've grown more used to the way Zamus now looks. It doesn't bother me as much as it first did. However, it's as clear as day that the people who made Zamus in Smash 4 were less concerned about her looking feminine, and more concerned with appealing to raw male hormones with proportionately enormous breasts.
Its just my opinion.What the beauty mark?
I though other m was hated because it depicted samus terribly.
This this this.The point of Zero Suit Samus is to be sexy because she contrasts with the cold hard metal exterior or normal Samus, and yes, they're heels, but I'd hardly call rocket boots that propel you through the air 'impractical in battle'.
People are also forgetting that Samus being sexualized when she's not wearing the Power Suit has been around from the first Metroid game.This this this.
I can understand the complaint of overly sexual female characters, because let's face it, they are everywhere in video games. I like Zero Suit Samus is a great example of attractiveness done right.
"People forget"People are also forgetting that Samus being sexualized when she's not wearing the Power Suit has been around from the first Metroid game.
She wasn't as sexualized before as she is now. Instead of blocky pixels with underwear in a bonus-screen at the end of the mission (like Ripley in Alien), Nintendo added a catsuit, a whip and high heels and gave them practical excuses to justify their sexualizing design.Blodermoder said:...pixelated half-naked 5-second bonus endings doesn't compare to the sexualization of Samus of today.