Luke Groundwalker
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*WARNING* I'm not anti-Ness. I love Ness, I just rather Lucas in place of him for reasons I WILL list. *WARNING*
*Oh, and there might be some Mother 3 spoilers...*
Okay, I made this post because Ness-biased fans are constantly determined to somehow have their big support for Ness and claim that there's no good reason why Ness should be out. Simply put, they'll degrade any person who even suggests that Lucas will replace Ness even though Lucas has a very high chance. Not only is that degrading to others, but degrading to the image of the strong Mother fanbase.
Somehow there's this stereotype around for people who want Lucas to replace Ness in Brawl. Apparently, every person who wants Ness out in favor of Lucas somehow has a huge hate for Ness and has a disrespect to Ness' "legacy" in Smash Bros. Ness-devoted fans have labelled Lucas-instead-of-Ness fans as haters, idiots, failures, etc. In a sense, the Lucas-instead-of-Ness fans are quite the minority on this forum, and constantly are attempted by Ness-devote fans to furiously debate in which the Ness-devote makes himself appear to be higher above the person, most of the time he has no right to since his reasoning isn't based on anything at all.
Looking back on the history, a lot of people didn't want Lucas in. Even if people said, "I want Ness AND Lucas in Brawl." usually in the back of their head they don't care much about Lucas but rather just want Ness in out of selfish pleasure. Either that, or they'll say, "Lucas doesn't need to be in at all, Ness should stay!" A lot of Mother fans, at the same time, however, were very disappointed to hear people hate Lucas. Especially since Lucas' appearance in Brawl may just determine whether or not the wonder game of Mother 3 will be headin' over to the states, and will bring up the chances greatly. I mean, if Lucas is in Brawl, the masses will say, "Who the hell is that kid?" really. It would make sense for NoA to localize Mother 3 for the masses to see who Lucas is really all about. However, Lucas fans got their wish on October 1st:
LUCAS??!!!
Yes, that's right, he was confirmed. This was a huge hit towards people who were specifically anti-Lucas and pro-Ness, especially since he's shown to have a similar Forward+A in the Air like Ness, and a cryptic message that could just possibly mean Ness is gone and Lucas replaces him. Smashboards went crazy, as waves of speculation, drama, anger just hit all over the forums. As cynical I am, I thought it was personally hilarious. But besides that, the whole board was indeed in a riot, and still is mildly even know with multiple Lucas or Ness based threads. However, two big sides have developed: One side that supports Ness' inclusion alongside Lucas, and one side that supports Lucas replacing Ness, the first side being the strongest one. Somehow, however, most Ness supporters have a reasoning of, "Why CAN'T Ness be in Brawl?" which is quite weak, really, as I will explain later.
Now that we reviewed the situation, let's begin this, shall we? (And yes, this thread is indeed in support of Lucas replacing Ness in Brawl, deal with it.)
A lot, but not as much as Ness-supporters, simply want Lucas to replace Ness. Reasons include:
-Lucas JUST LOOKS BETTER, D-MMIT!
-Lucas was originally going to be replaced in Melee, so it probably will be the same with Brawl.
-Lucas has Ness' Forward+A in the Air, so his moves must be stolen from Ness, and therefor Ness is gone!
-Lucas would just be a clone of Ness if they were both in, and no one wants clones, so Ness out!
-Lucas' moves would be the EXACT SAME THING as Ness'.
None which are very liable, really.
Don't worry, Ness supporters got their own reasons!!:
-Ness JUST LOOKS BETTER, D-MMIT!
-Sakurai might just change his mind, that comment is outdated, he might keep both in this time around!
-Ness AND Lucas could possibly not be clones if they give Lucas original moves!! (My comment: ...Wait, what moves could Lucas have that Ness doesn't other than, like, one...?)
-Ness was the original Mother Smasher, so he deserves to be in.
-Ness has a bigger fanbase.
-Ness JUST deserves to be in, even though he would be a Luigified clone of Lucas!
None of them are very liable reasons.
Now, putting aside ALLLL of those reasons for them, I'll explain why Lucas simply needs to replace Ness. This is, indeed, my personal opinion overall, all in good tastes as usual, however. But there's a point of me showing my opinion on the matter, really. It's simple: To finally put an end to this stereotype that Lucas-instead-of-Ness supporters, that all of them mindlessly hate on Ness for the reasons I listed above (which is hypocritical for Ness-supporters to think they're superior when they have just as bad reasoning as most Lucas-supporters). Somehow people think there's no good reason for Ness to be out of Brawl.
But they're wrong.
Point 1: Generations need to pass!
Yes, that is right, I feel that we need to go to the next level with Lucas' inclusion and replacing with Ness. I really feel Lucas will be a step up as the stereotypical Mother main character.
Some random Ness-supporter: BUT THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE CHARACTERS!!
Well, yeah. But guess who else are two separate characters?
And this is the same exact thing in many other series, especially RPGs. It's a very recurring theme.
People will simply ask, however, "Since when was Lucas and Ness the same concept?" Well, someone hasn't played a Mother game before and if so they missed one of the major factors of it, especially the main characters.
Much like Zelda, each main Mother character is literally the same concept. In Zelda, we have a silent protagonist named Link, who ends up wearing a green tunic and wields a sword to go on some adventure to save the world from Ganon/Vaati/whatever. Sometimes even having to save Princess Zelda or something. In the Mother series, it always stars a young boy kids can relate to with a stripped shirt, similar facial features, same exact stats in pretty much every way, same exact basic moves, equips the exact same items, etc. Pretty much, every is the same with the Mother protagonist.
(Yes, the Lucas one is fanmade, deal with it.)
As you can see from each one, they're pretty much the same overall. The only difference is, with Lucas, he looks drastically different, and this sets people off quite greatly, really. Do NOT be set off by his looks alone, he is indeed the same exact concept like every Link. Yes, he's a different character, just as much as Ninten is a different character. Yes, Link in OoT IS a different character from Link in TP. Now, I dunno about you, but this would pretty much make me just rather have Lucas than having both him and Ness. That'll be the same exact thing as having both Ninten and Ness in at the same time, and I'm sure no one in hell wants that.
Yes, if Lucas happens to replace Ness and take all of his moves, he really wouldn't be much of a newcomer, really. I can honestly completely agree with that. But, logically, yeah, he does count as one, because he does have a different name. Even with each Mother protagonist having different names, they're are STILL the same concept. Anyone who's played each game would simply know that. In terms of actual fighting ability, personality, ideal, they are, indeed, the same character.
Point 2: Other characters deserve the spot more than Ness!
This is going to be quite simple, I hope.
I honestly think that other Mother characters deserve a spot in before Ness and Ness just becomes an alt. for Lucas to save up space for more needed characters.
Some randomer: Ness is not needed as a veteran to return?!
Yes, that's right, Ness could easily be an alt. for Lucas, really, it wouldn't be that hard. But that's not the point.
People seem to think it's simply okay to have two completely the same characters other than small tweaks in design and different name in Brawl. Yes, they would be similar, very similar, if they were both in Brawl. Luigified clones, yeah, I could see that easily. I'll give them that, Lucas could have some moves different from Ness to make him completely new and original like Luigi is to Mario. However, would you rather something like that, or something completely new?
I dunno 'bout you, but I want something new, and just drop Ness as an alt. for Lucas. Period.
Now, who could possibly be that important to take the spot?!
Well, fans of Mother 3 would know exactly who would take up the spot: The Masked Boy (a.k.a. Claus).
People seem to think he's just some random Mother character, really. Know why? Well, it's because they haven't played Mother 3 at all, literally. Because anyone who's played Mother 3 knows that the Masked Boy plays a huge part in Lucas' backstory, which is much more richer and deeper than Ness' ever could be, and plays a huge role in the game.
Randomer: Wait, how would he be original...?
Good question, m'good sir! Well, let's see... Lightsaber, gun connected to his arm, metal wings that pop out and a jet pack that launches him up in the air (giving him the ability to glide, perhaps?), knows a batsh-t insane version of PK Thunder, is a general of the main villains of the game, etc. Seriously, how could anyone want Ness over that? It boggles me, it's almost people just want Ness in just because they're biased about him! (Oh wait, most people are...)
Of course, other Mother 3 characters to choose from can be Flint, Kumatora, or Duster, all would make great choices, even though they don't play as big as a role as the Masked Boy in the story.
Point 3: Lucas would have a richer Subspace Emissary than Ness!
Yes, he would. Over Ness, Lucas would have a lot better Subspace Emissary story that would fit perfectly with his character. Yes, there will be actual story and character development, as quoted by Sakurai in the update of the Subspace Emissary:
Now, I don't hate Mother 2's main characters or anything, but they hardly had any backstory at all. Matter of fact, NONE of them had backstory. Ness was just simply called by Buzz Buzz to defeat Gigyas, who's a gigantic mass of evil emotion with no form, without hardly any reason at all, really. Ness HAD to do it for Buzz Buzz, and that's where the rest of Ness' quirky and fun adventure starts, and got some friends along the way to help him. Anyone would know that Ness' Subspace Emissary story mode that has him "shouldering his burdens" wouldn't really work out at all, really.Sakurai himself. said:
However, it CAN work out for Lucas, perfectly.
Lucas has a very strong relationship with his brother Claus throughout the game, in which, during a certain number of events, Claus is turned into the Masked Boy and literally controlled by the Pig King for the Pig Army, which also plays a huge role in their tragic life. I won't say much, though, but they really do have a lot of development, and Mother 3 really excels at telling a great story with amazing characters. It has a lot of meaning, even though it's dramatic style is different from the first two games, it really pulls it off amazingly. Basically, however, if the relationship between Claus, the Pig Army, and the Pig King is explored in Lucas' Subspace story, it would work out smoothly.
Ness really doesn't have much to work with at all, sadly. That's a fact, either you like it or not. Sakurai could pull it off, but it probably won't be very much at all.
Conclusion!
Yes, because of those three main reasons (although I probably have more), I really do think Lucas should replace Ness. However, if Ness happens to come back, fine with me, really. Sakurai would make it awesome anyway, even if I disagree on his decision and would appreciate Ness a lot more as an alt. for Lucas.
I hope you all enjoyed reading this, and gained more of an understanding why a lot of people would rather Lucas than Ness.
Discuss!!
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