Why is Sheik the most neglected Top Tier?

[ArcNatural]

Because there are no truly great Sheik's that populate the Sheik boards.

You got Cactuar in Fox and Marth, (and they are more popular anyway).

You have Mango in the Jiggly forums.

Lambchops/DSW/Forward all did Falco at some point.

Cort did Peach for a decent period.

Scar and G-reg in Falcon.

There has been no true amazing Sheik that has stayed on the Sheik forum. The only one who even came close was Drephen, and he stopped after like a week. KDJ is even worse, most of what he does makes no sense until it happens. Amsah and CJ are PAL and didn't really post either.

My conclusion: A true amazing Sheik is just too wierd to really have a decent fan base.

 

[TokiDoki]

KDJ is too good

 

[soap]

neglected on the boards maybe, plenty of top players have a great sheik, even if its just their secondary

 

[KirbyKaze]

nobody likes talking about sheik strats because they sounds so cool that the other boards get jealous

 

[Cactuar]

Sheik mains aren't really respected as much as other players in most cases, hence the smaller number of Sheik mains in general, as well as a general distaste for the character amongst top level players. Sheik is horribly easy to learn and play, and the wide majority of her combos are ridiculously easy to perform.

 

[Bil]

Sheik mains aren't really respected as much as other players in most cases, hence the smaller number of Sheik mains in general, as well as a general distaste for the character amongst top level players. Sheik is horribly easy to learn and play, and the wide majority of her combos are ridiculously easy to perform.

^^^this^^^

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

Sheik mains aren't really respected as much as other players in most cases, hence the smaller number of Sheik mains in general, as well as a general distaste for the character amongst top level players. Sheik is horribly easy to learn and play, and the wide majority of her combos are ridiculously easy to perform.

Truth.

But that is a horrible reason to neglect a character, I say play whoever you want and **** what people think about it

 

[otg]

I mean what kind of Strategy and advice do you need for Sheik?

How hard could Ftilt->fair be?

 

[soap]

to be really smooth and efficient with her i think takes just as much tech skill as fox, the difference is u can get by without it i.e. its not a prerequisite, whereas a fox that cant waveshine combo is severely lacking

and to the above comment there are little strategies and subtleties with every character and matchup so i dont see what you are talking about.

 

[Teczer0]

Sheik's entire strategy isn't f-tilt f-air >_>. And its a pretty awful strategy <_<.

The notion that sheik players are kinda looked down on is pretty true though.

People think Sheik is too easy to play and is a auto-pick up character.

Not saying that Sheik is incredibly difficult to learn but she isn't just learned the second you pick her as a character lol. Not at a high level of play anyway.

 

[soap]

its super annoying in tourney when these nubs are muttering under there breaths how much they hate sheik players , im not offended or anything im like whatever have fun in the losers bracket

 

[KirbyKaze]

I now just laugh.

Hysterically.

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

to be really smooth and efficient with her i think takes just as much tech skill as fox

LMFAO
BWAHHAHAHHAA lol

 

[soap]

like drill shining into nairs all day is really that hard or something

 

[Raycen]

Sheik ftw!

Begore fox ;P

 

[TheLake]

Zeldas like better

Folks just dont know it yet *gives the mysterious wink of awe* (;

 

[soap]

she is not as bad as i had originally thought

 

[elvenarrow3000]

To be fair, waveshining isn't that hard and it doesn't seem like a lot of Foxes really multishine in real matches.

However, a lot of spacies learn to ledgetech, but I don't think I've ever seen a Sheik do that... or need to.

 

[Teczer0]

Its difficult to find a use for ledgeteching with sheik.

Because when you get edgeguarded the opponent usually holds onto the edge and then just walks up onto the stage and smashes you off again.

I hate sheik's recovery, while it does go really far its WAY too obvious and rapable.

Fox's recovery also doesn't make him lag for half an hour when he lands. So ledgeteching is more viable for him.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Hmmm... I used to think that too, but really, I'd rather have Sheik's recovery than Fox's. Fox's is very predictable and fairly gimpable as well.

 

[soap]

id take sheik with foxs recovery lol, sheik has options has options off the edge at low percents, but once they have time to edgehog it gets gay

 

[Teczer0]

In terms of being gimped yea Fox gets gimped worse than sheik. Although at a certain percent if Sheik has enough percent on her its easy for her to get hit off the stage over and over because of her terrible recovery.

Fox's recovery has far more options than Sheik's recovery and the animation is much faster to deal with.

If fox is under the stage fox can either ride the stage and try to sweetspot the edge. Or he can go straight up and grab the edge from the decent. Or he can go at an angle and land on the stage without a huge amount of lag.

If fox is above the stage fox can go horizontally toward the stage. He can also go straight to edge. He can also go up at an angle to try to land on a platform if it isn't FD. And he can try to drop low enough to sweetspot an illusion, try to illusion through you, or cancel the illusion.

What can sheik do with her recovery?

If she is above the stage she can either up-b onto the stage or the edge. Or she can airdodge onto the stage because she doesn't fall as fast.

If she is under the stage you have to up-b either onto the edge or stage.

If you're lucky you can start the Vanish on your opponent so he is forced to get up while you vanish although this can be avoided by properly timing themselves to grab the edge so their invincibility frames hold out.

I'd rather have fox's recovery at least you can play guessing games around it.

Marth ***** sheik's recovery like I never thought possible.

All marth has to do is grab the edge properly, roll up (If you have less than 100%) and fsmash. Over and over and over.

Sheik's low percent recovery is better than fox's though I have to agree with Soap there. There usually isn't enough time to punish the Vanish even if it goes to the poof. And the invincibility frames are really valuable for sheik's recovery for early percents

 

[soap]

i do like story, then u get walljump bair recovery trix

 

[Teczer0]

I was thinking about that. Although I usually ban YS cuz I hate it >_<.

I guess that could be one more option for her recovery .

Too bad you can only use it on YS .

 

[soap]

its practical on dreamland+ FD too, harder to reach the wall sometimes though

 

[Teczer0]

It sounds difficult for FD <_<.

For DL64 I can kinda see it but the wall ends kinda shortly so it sounds like its a little hard there too .

 

[soap]

o and fountain its easy.. battlefields pretty hard....

 

[Zankoku]

What would be the point of walljump recovery on Battlefield?

 

[Teczer0]

o and fountain its easy.. battlefields pretty hard....

Battlefield sounds near impossible lol.

For FoD can you Walljump at the bottom of the stage (The straight wall part) and then walljump off the dome part?

Does sheik's walljump even go that high

 

[elvenarrow3000]

You can walljump off the bottom protruding part of Battlefield...

I've never done that jump on FoD before, but I've seen Isai double walljump off Chikorita in the same direction, so I'd assume it's possible. You can make it with just one walljump though.

Sheik's walljump has a fair bit of height... it's useful, I think.

 

[Teczer0]

Pretty neat stuff

I'll try it out next time I play

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Also, Farore's Wind has only four frames of landing lag, as long as you don't teleport straight onto the ground. Just sayin'.

 

[soap]

Battlefield sounds near impossible lol.

For FoD can you Walljump at the bottom of the stage (The straight wall part) and then walljump off the dome part?

Does sheik's walljump even go that high

only way to recover from the bottom of fountain is to walljump needle turn around di back then up b straight up, u still get edgehogged though

and u can still walljump the ledge at battlefield, i still do it sometimes cuz u get invincibilty from the walljump and u can bair anyone near the ledge like marth trying to fsmash.

 

[Teczer0]

Also, Farore's Wind has only four frames of landing lag, as long as you don't teleport straight onto the ground. Just sayin'.

You mean Zelda's up-b

Soap - So you don't think you can do 2 walljumps then reverse needle, up-b? T_T.

 

[soap]

no, ive tried, sheiks walljump takes her too far away from the wall and her aerials dont momentum cancel like falcons do for some reason, thats why she cant repeatedly scar jump 10 times or however many scar can do, i got like 4 or 5 one nite with sheik messing around with it

farores wind was the most useless fairy magic in zelda, DINS FIRE all day though, thats how i beat dark link the first time, dins fire + potion refills

 

[elvenarrow3000]

What's wrong with Zelda's up B? No landing lag...

=P

Couldn't you walljump then charge needles to stop your momentum?

 

[soap]

i was making fun of the move in the context of ocarina

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Oh, I was more responding to Teczero's sad... confused... faces.

 

[KirbyKaze]

farores wind was the most useless fairy magic in zelda, DINS FIRE all day though, thats how i beat dark link the first time, dins fire + potion refills

nayru's love had so much potential to be gay but not being able to do magic with the barrier up was not cool.

i think zelda's moves should do more of their zelda stuff. like the invincibility from nayru. and the aoe from din's. then zelda wouldn't suck so much.

i can add u-tilt if teczero still wants but by now he'll probably be sorting through the hitbox system anyways.

 

[soap]

zelda is invincible from like frame 4-11 or something with nayrus