Why is fox a higher tier than falco?

[XAQ]

I don't get it. With his SHLs, d-air, d-smash, and f-smash, how could he be rated as a lower tier? From the video's that I've seen, Falcon, Jiggz, and Sheik are the only ones that could possibly counter him (in my opinion). I think falco is just better.

 

[kevlar]

fox is faster and better at comboing, he can shine spike, and no one counters him.

 

[Alphicans]

Falcon and sheik does not counter falco...

 

[Moooose]

while i disagree with alot of what you wrote, i do think falco> fox or at least falco = fox now

 

[mers]

Well the tier list is kinda old at this point.

 

[kevlar]

how would falco counter fox?

 

[G.I._JOE]

HE DOESNT THEY JUST R.ape the shiet out of each other

 

[JPOBS]

i also think falco > fox but not for the reasons you stated.

and falco doesnt have any counters, his worst matchups are even

 

[XAQ]

his SHLs cause flinching and can prevent fox from attacking much at all. also, falco phantasm is hard to shine spike due to the meteor effect

 

[Doomblaze]

HE DOESNT THEY JUST R.ape the shiet out of each other

so true
Falco's combos are guaranteed, so are easier to pull off than foxes, but a good fox can 0-death a falco just as fast as a good falco 0-deaths a fox

 

[kpm91]

Falcon counters Falco? Has hell frozen over?

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

falco's lasers are much easier to deal with than fox's. I don't know about most people but i'm use to powersheilding most lasers and if you can predict a laser it's very sexy to laser combo isn't falco's death. Really some falco's lasers seem to be there biggest weakeness take that away and they seem lost. one powersheilded laser lets you take back a lot of the stage. If you predict their fake lasering that's a free air move.

really after playing against my brother's falco a lot if you can't laser as good as him or better which may be the thing he's best at easily(very fast and good at preussing) really i'll just come in and just straight up **** you.

fox can easily mix-up how he plays DD camp, rush them, laser camp hardcore, laser camo just to get them to approach, and other mix-ups really fox's combos can be just as deadly his grab game *****. Fox should be higher mostly to options without lasers metagame isn't as powerful as lasers so falcos relie on them a lot.

 

[mastermoo420]

I think LumpyCPU was the one that said in the Fox thread that the Falco/Fox match-up is 60-60. It sounds about right. But Falcon definitely does not counter Falco. Neither does Jiggz unless you're a low level player who can't DI the up-throw. Sheik, I haven't seen much on. Pretty sure you can combo pretty easily since she's a FFer.

And Falco may be a "lower tier," but he's still second. The top, like, four are pretty much even anyways for the most part.

 

[G.L.]

falco definetly has good enough matchups to be #1 but fox is just more versatile id say. i like falco better though!

 

[XAQ]

also falco d-air can kill fox at low %, whereas fox's d-air (or shine-spike) can't KO until over 70%

 

[L/A/W]

also falco d-air can kill fox at low %, whereas fox's d-air (or shine-spike) can't KO until over 70%

say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??????

 

[mastermoo420]

I LOL'D SO HARD WHEN I SAW THAT. I like how both parts of the sentence (the part regarding Falco and part regarding Fox) are both wrong. Falco d-air can't kill even at 999%.... if the Fox can tech, looool (I actually have no idea if ASDI is long enough to cover the distance, but oh well).

 

[TheGoat]

I think it's generally matchups, since falco just gets gibbed a lot more. He is pretty much the easiest character to kill-easy to combo and has atrocious recovery; his throws are terrible, whereas fox has a good upthrow, and fox has much better recovery and also runs faster. I say people need to stop *****ing about how "broken" falco is...he is top tier but really, (to those who do it) take your whining to fox. Or even marth or shiek.

 

[XAQ]

first of all,falco's dair CAN kill someone at 999% (whether they're on the gound or not) and fox's dair is a weak but sort of useful spike. you'd also be surprised how many people i've played that forget to tech out of spikes

 

[Tee ay eye]

fox is faster and better at comboing, he can shine spike, and no one counters him.

yo avatar

 

[JPOBS]

I LOL'D SO HARD WHEN I SAW THAT. I like how both parts of the sentence (the part regarding Falco and part regarding Fox) are both wrong. Falco d-air can't kill even at 999%.... if the Fox can tech, looool (I actually have no idea if ASDI is long enough to cover the distance, but oh well).

depending on how you hit the dair, many times it is untechable.
Falco's dair killing early is a legitimate statement to make.

first of all,falco's dair CAN kill someone at 999% (whether they're on the gound or not) and fox's dair is a weak but sort of useful spike. you'd also be surprised how many people i've played that forget to tech otu out of spikes

thats probably because foxs dair doesnt spike. and if people you're playing "forget" to tech falco's dair (when possible), you need to play more/better people.

 

[XAQ]

fox's dair is about as powerful as zelda's dair and yeah, the people i play kinda suck

 

[XAQ]

btw it is impossible to tech out of a true spike in the air

 

[Takeover1806]

Does it really matter who is top and who is not?
This game is so balanced it does not matter which character you use, it's the player that dictates the match.
Just because there are a whole lot of Falco's ****** people does not mean nothing, congratulate the player ****** with that character.

 

[XAQ]

i think that if you have a fox and a falco of equal skill on final destination with 3 stocks, 6 out of 4 times falco will win

 

[L/A/W]

i think that if you have a fox and a falco of equal skill on final destination with 3 stocks, 6 out of 4 times falco will win

best reasoning ever

 

[XAQ]

well it does mostly depend on the player but so what?

 

[JPOBS]

fox's dair is about as powerful as zelda's dair

i dont even know what this means.

 

[XAQ]

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[JPOBS]

lmfao i honestly cant tell if im being trolled

 

[XAQ]

OK what didn't you understand about the other post?

 

[JPOBS]

originally i said fox's dair doesnt spike, which is part of the reason why you cant tech it.

you responded with "foxs dair is about as strong as zeldas dair"

Even if true (and i really dont know), i dont see what that has to do with anything

 

[Takeover1806]

Wait why did I comment on this thread?
I'm talking to a noob

 

[XAQ]

it was just a comparison to show that fox's dair can spike a little even if its not a true spike
sorry for being retarted earlier

this is sort of random but if your against fox in classic on very hard his dair spikes you hard and fast

 

[XAQ]

another reason that falco is better than fox is that his SHLs are much more powerful and good for stalling

 

[MarsFool!]

Lol falco isn't better than fox, just throw him off the stage.

Also they are even but seriously falcos recovery isn't all that great.


@icg: falcos lasers are better than foxes by a mile imo.
They have hitstun. Falco takes a lot of control by shooting lasers cause they're huge. They can really tear up your recovery as well as gimp your ground game.
Most falcos don't laser like idiots, there's a plan such as shl to shield/powershield or even cc if they know you power shield a lot.

Fox can be grabbed out of a laser no matter how high or low it comes out, falco your only option to try and grab him is when he lasers too high or befor the laser comes out in which case you're too close for him to be lasering anyway.

Fox can chain grab fast fallers, falco can not.

 

[OverLord]

lol, Fox is better than Falco, is actually better than everyone

 

[XAQ]

watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUvdrxdb3l4 and got to 0:52 its hilarious

 

[OverLord]

it's hilarious how you think that Fox can lose on FD against Falco

Falco has a slight advantage in the MU, but on FD, chaingrab>death, no matther what


ban it man


also, Fox's Dair is not a spike, you can recover from that

Zelda got a crappy Meteor smash

and, a true spike, like Falco's Dair, or Marth's, can be teched, just SDI towards stage and press ****ing R

 

[XAQ]

The problem is that when i try to tech out of a spike, about half the time i just end up doing an airdodge and dying