If you guys think Peach sucks so much why are you guys here in this forum?
Because I still like Peach? She just won't be my first pick in competitive gaming, though.
The game hasn't been out for month yet, not to mention it's not even out in America. What "gamebreaking new strategies" do you expect to find when a vast majority of people haven't even played it yet? Oh but you've played it for . . . a week or two now? Maybe? Yeah, that's really extensive playing you've done. I'm sure you've learned all the ins and outs of the game already.
Oh, I've played it for 5 weeks. And many more have.
And when I say "game-breaking", I
do mean game-breaking. It won't suffice to discover just a new or even a bunch of new Advanced Techniques on the scale of L-canceling. Unless we find some techniques that only Peach can use that
really changes everything about her, she won't be a very good character.
When I say that, I mean things like Waveshining. Give Peach something equivalent to Waveshining and she'll be High. If not, then no.
"No combos, no KO-moves, no high-damaging moves."
Which is clearly is exaggeration. Everybody has combos. If she had no KO-moves, she would literally be unable to win unless her opponent SD'd 4 times . . . so clearly, she has knock out moves.
She has
bad combos. And
nothing guaranteed. And the only guaranteed stuff she has is at 0%. No KO-moves that can KO before 150%, just like in Melee (with DI). The only "good" KO move she has is her Frying Pan Fsmash... if it's fully charged (at which point it'll KO at around 130%).
"Oh noes the dsmash can't do 50% damage anymore! Peach suxxorz!"
The thing is that the Dsmash was a great part of why she was High Tier (Top in PAL) in Melee. Take it away and what do you have left? Especially since she didn't receive enough buffs to make up for it.
Your other arguments? She can't wall bomb anymore? As if wall bombing was ever useful or an integral part of your strategies? You say she can't float cancel? Well, nobody can L-Cancel anymore. And we've shown she has next to no lag if you finish your attack before you land.
Who cares if she has little lag when landing with an aerial?! She
cannot approach from the air because she still lags too much to be safe! Meanwhile,
other characters are safe if they space it. Peach, not so much. The safest thing is Bair if you space it right and the opponent isn't smart enough to shieldhop into something at you.
She doesn't really have many approach stategies on the ground either since her grab range isn't Melee-Marthish (though better). Her dashattack still sucks as an approach since a shielded DA means punishment, there's no Dash Canceling so she can't Dash Canceling into a tilt unless you're gonna Shield Cancel into a tilt (which would be quite suicidal unless the opponent was a bad player).
In short, she's pretty bad at approaching. Meanwhile, a lot of others aren't... and some of them have great combos, KO-moves and high-damaging moves/combos.
I shouldve mentioned that, the dthrow to utilt is meant to be at 0 percent xD
A lot of things work at 0%. Don't bother to mention combos that
only work at 0% and it's quite misleading to then not mention they only work at 0% because people will think they work at higher %s as well.
As was observed several times, certain characters are counters for other characters, and some characters can counter them.
While she may be worse off overall, there may be a few characters that she does absolutely amazing against, which she would be the ideal counterpick against. So it's not like we won't be able to use her at ALL in tournaments, but she won't be as useful against as many matchups.
Plus, I'm going to field a guess and say that you'll likely have the "inexperience" handicap a lot of the time from people underestimating her, or not having gotten enough practice against her. Such is the case when so many people decide to drop her because she lost so much in the game transition.
There are far better characters to use than Peach as a counter to some obscure characters. Like Marth. Just play Marth.
Also, never pick a character for the "novelty" status. You might be able to beat some inexperienced people but you'll never be able to beat anyone experienced. You'll never get a high placing using a Novelty Character unless you're really good with it (like Azen). Otherwise, you'll get crushed eventually. Better to put time and effort on an actually good character than on a Novelty one in the hopes of winning against random N00bs
This game is now based on creativity. If you are not creative and do as you are use too you are not gonna do well. You have to create your own way of playing. Thats why with me not really touching the game that much, I can go even with people who play it alot. I thibj creative. Play around with stuff, hell, even take some daring risk. recreate!
Creativity means squat if it doesn't work. Give Peach to Cort. Give Marth to Ken. TGive them 4 months to practice. See how well they do and then talk about "Creativity". Creativity is fun, flashy and all. But it means squat if it's easily countered.
I think I accidentally mixed in replies to post from two threads into this post. Sorry for that.
