#HBC | Gorf
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Whose Mafia Is it Anyway - Game Over!
- Thread starter giraffelasergun
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I’m going to assume for now that was an oversight and not Ill intent until my reread
Be back defending a soccer title
havent been keeping track of the exact roles
inclined to lynch today cuz you just get killed tonight
only thing that sucks is that im largely away for the weekend but hopefully i can squeeze in a full reread by then
Tom has already guided my bullet, now he must guide my vote
why had you said soup at this time pythag? early d1
pythag can you walk me thru your progression on me?
i remember you shading me a bit d2 but yesterday was a turnaround
i remember you shading me a bit d2 but yesterday was a turnaround
I didn't like that he put someone at L-1 while also claiming that he hadn't looked at the lynch count.
This I'll come back to, I'm walking out the door rn.
11 pages in n i think i kno who im voting
i might request an extension cuz i CANNOT finish a reread by monday (im traveling tomorrow to see some friends in albany ny and will b there all weekend) cuz ill barely b at a computer. that said i doubt i change my mind at this point. gonna eat and think on it a bit then continue my reread
i might request an extension cuz i CANNOT finish a reread by monday (im traveling tomorrow to see some friends in albany ny and will b there all weekend) cuz ill barely b at a computer. that said i doubt i change my mind at this point. gonna eat and think on it a bit then continue my reread
I’m also ok with an extension if allows, I’ve got a soccer tournament all day Saturday and if we do well (we will I’m godlike) I’ll be playing Sunday also.
Even like Tuesday or Wednesday would be huge. If not I’ll make sure
Even like Tuesday or Wednesday would be huge. If not I’ll make sure
EBWOP: I’ll make due*
Also first title defended it’s just too god damn easy
giraffelasergun
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If the majority of players post Deadline Extension Please we could do a 48 hour extension.
Do it or your auto scum
DEADLINE EXTENSION PLEASE
pythag
pythag #168 talking to soup pressing him to elaborate on early game stuff
pythag asking fanny about soup #203
shades lore for voting soup and votes frozen 273 - shaded lore for voting soup which fanny does too. frozen votes awkward as hell. its the kinda thing id expect him to grab onto (low hanging fruit) as scum
KEVIN POST THAT RYKER LIKES 275 - kevin has same reaction as i just did to the above asking why pythag votes ff. ryker liked this post which is the first time he mentions pythag i believe. could b a weak swipe at a partner to pretend like hes looking there or backing up some meaningless shade on pythag whos a townie
pythag explains that he dislikes frozen having 1 post more than anything anyone has said which is why he voted him 277 - scummy. townies focus on ppl who are actively scummy which lore/soup had been at the time. in addition frozen being inactive early d1 isnt a red flag. frozen went inactive last game before the redo. its hard to believe that pythag reads lore/soup and the mounting pressure against them and thinks 'nah frozen only posting once is worse'
pythag gives reasoning on why he thought spak vs lore was town vs town 327 - i didnt like this. the natural towny reaction to the early spak vs lore debacle was that there was scum between them. pythag handwaving it as fast as he did reminds me of scum who knows alignments
votes spak 389 - says frozens post was solid. scummy, if i disliked frozen for only having one post id press him for more after his post versus dropping it altogether. says fanny tops his scum list which is the opposite of my reaction at this point in my read thru
- scummy pushing of lore for voting soup and places a struggly vote on frozen (who had only posted once). worst part is he says thats worse than the things that had happened between soup/lore despite asking others about the former
- initially reads spak vs lore as tvt then doubles back to spak being scum when some more consensus goes his way. reads like a scum who knew both were town, saw the tides turning against them, and saw an avenue to **** on townies
- jumps off of frozen after frozen only posts once and hops the spak wagon. pythag scummy just floating aimlessly throughout the phase and not digging like a real townie would
fanny
fanny first mentioning that he dislikes soups fake hammer early itg. this means both of soups partners shaded/voted him early game218
fanny immediately follows up pressing soup on whether i should b pushed 220
fanny shades lore for voting soup 228 - scummy. the prior two posts hes laying down groundwork to go at soup but shading lore for voting soup despite them having similar reasons (fake hammer). consistent with a scum subconsciously protecting their partner
fanny pressing soup on who hed push if not me 231 - on the surface level has some fire here
fanny lays down a lore vote and questions him, says his vote/reasoning for going soup is bad/opportunistic 240 - wondering if fanny has the balls to chainsaw soup here
fanny presses soup and requests a reads list after soup posts more worthless/null **** 312
fanny takes issue with pythag voting frozen 312 - like this from fanny
fanny pushes pythag to do more than vote inactive frozen, questions why hes not pursuing a spak lead when pythag thought spak might b scum 322 - towny post. starting to notice that pythag is all over the place early in the game and he looks like a struggling scum
says pythag could b scum with lore 326 - i like this. i see fanny internalizing a suspicion of pythag and him connecting the dots to a would b partner is a good look
fanny doubles down on the above idea 374 - like the conviction and sticking to his guns
fanny starts questioning spak 375 - at this point fannys questioned lore, soup, spak, pythag (and me a bit at the start i guess) to different degrees which i find reasonable. reading his posts thus far he looks like a townie exploring. the alternative is that hes an aggressive scum laying a lot of framework with which to attack the town. i havent seen him scum before but most scum arent that brazen
presses soup on a readslist again 380 - this is something fanny consistently does: follow up on his questions. im lightly inclined to say hes not a scum partner of soup right now. hes got a persistence to him while also maintaining an idea that he needs to dig deeper to figure out soups alignment. hes not throwing softball, worthless questions his way and letting him get away with not doing anything like i think a partner would
defends himself against pythag and doubles down on how pythag failed to go after spak and instead had a weak vote on frozen for only posting once 390 - fanny stays consistent
fanny IMMEDIATELY votes soup upon soup coming in with his big ate **** and states he or lore should go 420 - towny. from scums perspective this is soups big play to get out of towns sights but fanny immediately comes in and ****s on it. if fannys scum, that means both he and ryker committed to the bus pretty early on. this seems a bit harsh the way hes coming down on soup and i dont think he does as partners. he also questions ryker as to what his direction is. normally i wouldnt care about this but voting your partner then immediately questioning the other is a ballsy play most scum dont make
fanny tells soup to chill and reeanalyze 428 - mm. so either hes scum giving soup some coaching and an out to getting **** on or hes town whos continuing to implore soup to give content to cement his read
mocks soup for questioning why ppl are voting him 433 - either some nice theater or hes really annoyed with soup
fanny keeps demanding soup give a readslist and has some fire here 451 - at this point fanny has made like 4, 5 different posts or more getting at soup to produce content. so if hes bussing, hes committed af to it cuz hes been on soups back consistently thus far
soup dodges fannys demand of a readslist 452 - soup continues to dodge fanny on a readslist. soup feels more like a scum ducking a townie than a partner putting on a show of "lol im not gonna give you what you want" which is usually not how partners play it
if fanny is scum then he had to have done some triangle **** where he pressed both ryker and soup around the same time with a good amount of passion/conviction. as i keep reading soup and fanny spar they dont feel like partners
fanny stays with the questioning of soup trying to get him to talk about his suspicion of spak 453 - consistent pressure of soup continues
soup
he asks fanny "why do readslists matter so much?" after fanny pushes him 436 - ok. so if fanny and soup are partners fanny has been pushing a line where hes pressing soup to produce a readslist after soup **** his pants in the thread. he then votes soup after soup comes in with a big ate post and demands more reads. soup is pretty much like "lol why" in response. this is WEIRD to do as partners. as a partner you want to produce the reads list so you can start wiggling your way out of the noose. or do SOMETHING to get ppl off of you. so as a partner fanny would be giving soup a "softball" here but soup doesnt take it. that doesnt read like a planned out thing. it reads like soup wanting to continue to not contribute anything of substance and dismiss a townies demand of him
soup votes pythag at rans behest 445 - notating this as i stew on what it means
ryker and soup hav some back n forth on page 12 - notating as i watch how ryker/soup interacted with a partner. trying to think of how theyd interact with another one
ryker
ryker gives a longwinded answer to fannys question earlier where he describes lore/soup 439 - this means that if fanny/ryker/soup was the team fanny did this weird thing where he engaged both of them at once early on in the game. soup blows him off, and ryker plays ball by coming up with a big hypothetical where soup is possibly scum. thats a really ****ing weird way to distance from your partner. most scumteams dont do **** like this; its too convoluted
pythag #168 talking to soup pressing him to elaborate on early game stuff
pythag asking fanny about soup #203
shades lore for voting soup and votes frozen 273 - shaded lore for voting soup which fanny does too. frozen votes awkward as hell. its the kinda thing id expect him to grab onto (low hanging fruit) as scum
KEVIN POST THAT RYKER LIKES 275 - kevin has same reaction as i just did to the above asking why pythag votes ff. ryker liked this post which is the first time he mentions pythag i believe. could b a weak swipe at a partner to pretend like hes looking there or backing up some meaningless shade on pythag whos a townie
pythag explains that he dislikes frozen having 1 post more than anything anyone has said which is why he voted him 277 - scummy. townies focus on ppl who are actively scummy which lore/soup had been at the time. in addition frozen being inactive early d1 isnt a red flag. frozen went inactive last game before the redo. its hard to believe that pythag reads lore/soup and the mounting pressure against them and thinks 'nah frozen only posting once is worse'
pythag gives reasoning on why he thought spak vs lore was town vs town 327 - i didnt like this. the natural towny reaction to the early spak vs lore debacle was that there was scum between them. pythag handwaving it as fast as he did reminds me of scum who knows alignments
votes spak 389 - says frozens post was solid. scummy, if i disliked frozen for only having one post id press him for more after his post versus dropping it altogether. says fanny tops his scum list which is the opposite of my reaction at this point in my read thru
- scummy pushing of lore for voting soup and places a struggly vote on frozen (who had only posted once). worst part is he says thats worse than the things that had happened between soup/lore despite asking others about the former
- initially reads spak vs lore as tvt then doubles back to spak being scum when some more consensus goes his way. reads like a scum who knew both were town, saw the tides turning against them, and saw an avenue to **** on townies
- jumps off of frozen after frozen only posts once and hops the spak wagon. pythag scummy just floating aimlessly throughout the phase and not digging like a real townie would
fanny
fanny first mentioning that he dislikes soups fake hammer early itg. this means both of soups partners shaded/voted him early game218
fanny immediately follows up pressing soup on whether i should b pushed 220
fanny shades lore for voting soup 228 - scummy. the prior two posts hes laying down groundwork to go at soup but shading lore for voting soup despite them having similar reasons (fake hammer). consistent with a scum subconsciously protecting their partner
fanny pressing soup on who hed push if not me 231 - on the surface level has some fire here
fanny lays down a lore vote and questions him, says his vote/reasoning for going soup is bad/opportunistic 240 - wondering if fanny has the balls to chainsaw soup here
fanny presses soup and requests a reads list after soup posts more worthless/null **** 312
fanny takes issue with pythag voting frozen 312 - like this from fanny
fanny pushes pythag to do more than vote inactive frozen, questions why hes not pursuing a spak lead when pythag thought spak might b scum 322 - towny post. starting to notice that pythag is all over the place early in the game and he looks like a struggling scum
says pythag could b scum with lore 326 - i like this. i see fanny internalizing a suspicion of pythag and him connecting the dots to a would b partner is a good look
fanny doubles down on the above idea 374 - like the conviction and sticking to his guns
fanny starts questioning spak 375 - at this point fannys questioned lore, soup, spak, pythag (and me a bit at the start i guess) to different degrees which i find reasonable. reading his posts thus far he looks like a townie exploring. the alternative is that hes an aggressive scum laying a lot of framework with which to attack the town. i havent seen him scum before but most scum arent that brazen
presses soup on a readslist again 380 - this is something fanny consistently does: follow up on his questions. im lightly inclined to say hes not a scum partner of soup right now. hes got a persistence to him while also maintaining an idea that he needs to dig deeper to figure out soups alignment. hes not throwing softball, worthless questions his way and letting him get away with not doing anything like i think a partner would
defends himself against pythag and doubles down on how pythag failed to go after spak and instead had a weak vote on frozen for only posting once 390 - fanny stays consistent
fanny IMMEDIATELY votes soup upon soup coming in with his big ate **** and states he or lore should go 420 - towny. from scums perspective this is soups big play to get out of towns sights but fanny immediately comes in and ****s on it. if fannys scum, that means both he and ryker committed to the bus pretty early on. this seems a bit harsh the way hes coming down on soup and i dont think he does as partners. he also questions ryker as to what his direction is. normally i wouldnt care about this but voting your partner then immediately questioning the other is a ballsy play most scum dont make
fanny tells soup to chill and reeanalyze 428 - mm. so either hes scum giving soup some coaching and an out to getting **** on or hes town whos continuing to implore soup to give content to cement his read
mocks soup for questioning why ppl are voting him 433 - either some nice theater or hes really annoyed with soup
fanny keeps demanding soup give a readslist and has some fire here 451 - at this point fanny has made like 4, 5 different posts or more getting at soup to produce content. so if hes bussing, hes committed af to it cuz hes been on soups back consistently thus far
soup dodges fannys demand of a readslist 452 - soup continues to dodge fanny on a readslist. soup feels more like a scum ducking a townie than a partner putting on a show of "lol im not gonna give you what you want" which is usually not how partners play it
if fanny is scum then he had to have done some triangle **** where he pressed both ryker and soup around the same time with a good amount of passion/conviction. as i keep reading soup and fanny spar they dont feel like partners
fanny stays with the questioning of soup trying to get him to talk about his suspicion of spak 453 - consistent pressure of soup continues
soup
he asks fanny "why do readslists matter so much?" after fanny pushes him 436 - ok. so if fanny and soup are partners fanny has been pushing a line where hes pressing soup to produce a readslist after soup **** his pants in the thread. he then votes soup after soup comes in with a big ate post and demands more reads. soup is pretty much like "lol why" in response. this is WEIRD to do as partners. as a partner you want to produce the reads list so you can start wiggling your way out of the noose. or do SOMETHING to get ppl off of you. so as a partner fanny would be giving soup a "softball" here but soup doesnt take it. that doesnt read like a planned out thing. it reads like soup wanting to continue to not contribute anything of substance and dismiss a townies demand of him
soup votes pythag at rans behest 445 - notating this as i stew on what it means
ryker and soup hav some back n forth on page 12 - notating as i watch how ryker/soup interacted with a partner. trying to think of how theyd interact with another one
ryker
ryker gives a longwinded answer to fannys question earlier where he describes lore/soup 439 - this means that if fanny/ryker/soup was the team fanny did this weird thing where he engaged both of them at once early on in the game. soup blows him off, and ryker plays ball by coming up with a big hypothetical where soup is possibly scum. thats a really ****ing weird way to distance from your partner. most scumteams dont do **** like this; its too convoluted
post 440/page 12 for myself
leaning pythag hard at the moment. main reason is that if fanny is scum he would have had to do the **** at the bottom of the following quote. look at this post HERE where he immediately pushes back against soups ate and goes into a brief questioning of ryker. if hes scum hes engaging both of his partners at once. looks more like a townie with some good instincts there. some other **** like pythags vote on frozen d1 reminds me of a scum whos not really sure of where to push
leaning pythag hard at the moment. main reason is that if fanny is scum he would have had to do the **** at the bottom of the following quote. look at this post HERE where he immediately pushes back against soups ate and goes into a brief questioning of ryker. if hes scum hes engaging both of his partners at once. looks more like a townie with some good instincts there. some other **** like pythags vote on frozen d1 reminds me of a scum whos not really sure of where to push
another question to sit on
how/why did fanny and pythag end up on spak instead of soup (or even lore i guess)? look at progressions there
kevin if youre still sussing fanny tell me why plz. hes looked good at what i read so far. i still have a chunk to go thru but i got thru a lot of meaty content and pythag looks way worse so far. if fannys scum he would have had to bus/pressure soup consistently while also keeping a wide range of avenues that he pursued d1. its different from ryker who mostly just **** on soup and was too narrow on him for the sake of gaining cred. i want to b on the same page in case youre seeing something i dont
im out prolly for the night. might check sporadically tomorrow but dont expect ANYTHING from me this weekend. i might b able to get a few phone posts in but this is not my priority at all. so ill get at yall soon
REQUEST DEADLINE EXTENSION
im out prolly for the night. might check sporadically tomorrow but dont expect ANYTHING from me this weekend. i might b able to get a few phone posts in but this is not my priority at all. so ill get at yall soon
REQUEST DEADLINE EXTENSION
Fandangox
Smash Lord
DEADLINE EXTENSION PLEASE
Fandangox
Smash Lord
Im at work right now, Im gonna start another re-read late tonight
giraffelasergun
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Deadline has been moved to 8 PM Central Wednesday 7/24
I have many questions regarding this game that I can't wait to ask after it's over.
D2 I was suspect because 1. your posts post soup claim were suspect on a reread :
D3 - Voting me right out of the bat, I looked at it and I can see how I'd be seen as scummy given my EoD post about being ok with soup dying, so I don't necessarily think that I should look at your vote and say "oh marshy is totally scum", which was not the case with Orange. I didn't think orange had a legit case, and it looked / 'felt'? like he was trying to bus someone me without a case.
You looked logical, and it felt earnest.
D4 - with Ryker flip, that honestly gives me pause, because Ran had said he thought scum was Marshy/Ryker - I'm mulling that over rn, wrt how much credence to give Ran.
With Gorf casing me early on like that, it's hard to not feel totally exposed, and like I've got a big target on my back.
D1 I was legit confused as you called out lore for his hypotheticals. That was weird, but guess it could be playstyle thing
D2 I was suspect because 1. your posts post soup claim were suspect on a reread :
And also you bringing up your case on Lore. I don't care that you said you were 'first' I thought it was a stupid case because you were literally basing it off of him stating hypotheticals. You even defended your early read -
I chalked that up D1 to it being a difference in play style, but D2 it looked like you were trying to lean on that case more, so I didn't enjoy that.
D3 - Voting me right out of the bat, I looked at it and I can see how I'd be seen as scummy given my EoD post about being ok with soup dying, so I don't necessarily think that I should look at your vote and say "oh marshy is totally scum", which was not the case with Orange. I didn't think orange had a legit case, and it looked / 'felt'? like he was trying to bus someone me without a case.
You looked logical, and it felt earnest.
D4 - with Ryker flip, that honestly gives me pause, because Ran had said he thought scum was Marshy/Ryker - I'm mulling that over rn, wrt how much credence to give Ran.
Or it could be that I thought he didn't have a legit case but wanted to push someone who was demonstrating to be a weak/bad player.
With Gorf casing me early on like that, it's hard to not feel totally exposed, and like I've got a big target on my back.
I am looking right now at Pythag > Fan > Marshy but I really need a hard re-read of this game before I can commit to anything.
And this fandingo bingo would sure feel empty if he was the last townie.
God mafia can be so difficult
And this fandingo bingo would sure feel empty if he was the last townie.
God mafia can be so difficult
fan where is your head at here?
Fandangox
Smash Lord
My head right now is that between Pythag and Marshy, the last scum would obviously be in Pythag. When I ISO'd the slot earlier due to his stances on me I saw he didn't have a lot of input, and didn't seem to step deep into pressuring any slots at all, and they didn't seem to always follow up the questions he made, meaning he was more worried about trying to appear to create content, rather than scumhunt. And his stances shift without really explaing why. and I've been townreading Marshy for most of the game.
But I was also townreading Ryker for most of the game and was wrong on Ran so Im trying to consider if I might be wrong again here.
And this is huge Wifom, but I can't see why Scum!Pythag would nightkill Gorf who was defending him, and had me as scum, when night killing Marshy would make him easy for me to be the myslynch since Gorf and you already suspected me, unless Ryker made the kill, and then got shot, but Im not quite sure what the order is supposed to be going by Giraff's post here #754
Although I can't also see much reason why Ryker would nightkill Gorf either, since I suspected Gorf and and if Ryker and Pythag were scumates they could have probably pushed for Gorf to be the myslinch since Pythag's stance on me changed through the phase and would have had an excuse to vote him.
But Marshy also voted Soup after the claim, and #437 asks Soup why Ryker can be solved later in the game and posts like these two: #489 #512 made me think he is not aligned with Ryker and that his reasonings for voting Soup were genuine.
I still haven't finished my re-read, but from where I am so far I'd say based on how they were playing Pythag is the last scum, he's beem all over the place, and the reasons I have to suspect Marshy are less about his play and more mechanical from my PoV.
Fandangox
Smash Lord
But Marshy I do have a couple of questions for you.
Give what you said here:
Basically why townread me over something you say you'd do if you were scum?
and
Give what you said here:
How does that compare to what you said about my playstyle here?
The way I play is by asking various questions to most of the players to try to get a reads and a feel of where town is at.
Basically why townread me over something you say you'd do if you were scum?
and
This echoes what Gorf said about him thinking the people that were pressuring Pythag were scum, and why he was suspecting me since I was also pushing Pythag. I know this was post about Lore pushing Pythag was really early, but any reason you never called me out me pressuring pythag through the game?
Marshy. Did you ever openly go at it with Ryker this game and I'm missing it. I haven't finished a full reread yet so I'll get there eventually but in the interest of saving time.
Your interactions with Ryker, as I said it really seemed like you two were peas in a pod, but not in a buddying way? I seem to recall multiple posts liked by one another wrt soup lynch, etc. So I said it looked like you two were finding conclusions and meeting there, not a planned interaction. Your questions seem to lead you to where you're going.
Here is a quote of yours that does stick around though :
It's wifom, I know, but it'd be good to keep the townies separate from each other if you knew that they were both town.
#HBC | marshy
can you also explain why you changed your vote from me to Ran yesterDay?
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just got back from a roughly 5 hr drive
pacquiao the greatest of all time
ill b here tomorrow
just got back from a roughly 5 hr drive
pacquiao the greatest of all time
ill b here tomorrow
Pythag who is your vote order right now?
Alright so if Marshy is scum I’m gonna lose and I’m alright with that. So Marshy where are we looking pal?
how and why?
his posts continued to b bad. dude didnt look like he was even trying. thought there was a chance he was whiteknighting you with the knowledge that you were town as wellY
you consistently follow up your questions in a meaningful way. in my reread i noticed you kept coming back to soup, lore, pythag in a way that looked like a townie revisiting their reads and digging further each time. its opposed to scum who will just use it to manipulate everything a townies saying
regarding your treatment of pythag it was fine with me because it seemed to come from a place that had reasoning. lore looked he just picked a name out of the hat and started questioning him in an inane way. like scum talking for the sake of talking
probably pythag
not surprised to see me having skyrocket to the top of his scumreads after i started the day off pushing him. i wanted to see where/what he would do over the weekend while i was gone and i dont see any effort to actually solve the game
im finishing my reread tonight or at least making headway into it. but for now
vote pythag