Who's Canonically the Strongest Character in Smash?

[Munomario777]

how would it not be kirby lol

There are quite a few characters that could beat him/are more powerful than him.

 

[Diddy Kong]

definitely should be somewhere upper middle though. He's quite a tough little guy.

 

[Comorant]

Only looking at in game canon and elements of gameplay that prove consistent without contradicting it (So no Hyrule Warriors Link with the Ocarina, Wind Waker, Fierce Diet Mask and so on) and tend to be within the realm of realistic situations for these characters (No 99 live Marios) here are my thoughts:

S Tier:


(Spoilers but let's just say the Monado has quite a lot going on and the ending gives Shulk a huge edge)


(Kirby stands far above other God Slayer characters due to having massive adaptability, massive potential, and has displayed within his own games some degree of planet busting capacity, something which isn't really seen in general by any characters within Smash Bros.)


(Because the character is Rosalina AND Luma, you get a pretty solid amount of juice out of these guys. The Luma are capable of doing insane stuff like forming planets and stopping bllack holes when they work in numbers, and Rosalina's powers while hard to measure within canon at the very least are on a cosmic scale)


(Similar levels of destructive power as Kirby but with much less potential on the cosmic scale. You don't lose to Kirby repeatedly and expect to be above him. The one thing he has going over Kirby is that he's fully grown and knows a ton better than Kirby does.)



A Tier


(Young Link is a time traveler with a mask that turns him into a god, the best arsenal of any Link, experience from saving the world twice, pretty solid magic, swordsmanship, and so on. That all said, Young Link marks a gap where you stop seeing planet busters)


(Working with Super Sonic having 50 Rings since its the most consistent number shown and Rings in general are pretty BS when it comes to how they work within canon and sometimes even gameplay. Sonic fights anything ranging from giant mechs, to ancient monsters. to even Magic Users. Super Sonic gives him that extra push to having the potential to take out cosmic scale foes around which is a pretty big deal, though it's limitations prevent him from being a full on godslayer.)


(Fights Cosmic Horrors with powerful PSI, capable of creating various barriers, teleportation, blasts of Psychic energy, can absorb energy, and heal himself. Can endure a battle with a galaxy destroying horrror monster just fine. Carries around his trust Bat and his projectile deflecting Franklin Badge. )


(Pit is a Pretty standard God Slayer with a huge line of weaponry behind him and all sorts of magical items too. Dark Pit is pretty much the same but with the whole "I DROPKICKED A BOSS" as well. Honestly not sure whether he's just below Ness or a good amount above.)

B Tier


(Shock! Ganondorf this Low!? Yeah as tempted as I am to put him higher, Ganondorf himself tends to get wrecked repeatedly by kids with swords and light magic in general. In Ganon for he's a much bigger threat capable of massive conquest but he has a tendency to get killed and/or sealed a ton.)


(Anyone ranking Palutena all the way on top needs to stop looking at the title of "Goddess" for a second and look back at her boss fight in Kid Icarus Uprising where she tended to get killed pretty fast. Greek Gods are powerful but only slightly less prone to getting killed by something that'd kill most humans.)



(Sprinting pile of missiles, bombs, and lasers covered in Power Armor with lots of health tanks and massive overall mobility. Even without the suit she's still Superhuman in terms of her physical ability. She fights all sorts of deadly space creatures and then gets out there before the planet explodes time after time.)


(Jumping pile of guns, jetpacks, bombs, time freezing powers, lasers, flamethrowers and anything you can think of combined with his E-Tanks for durability. That said he's got a screaming weakness to lava and spike pits.)


(Seriously, Ike is one of the best Units in the series and strongest Lord in general. No other Fire Emblem character in Smash can really solo entire games the same way Ike could)

I can already smell the controversy as far as Sonic, Ganon, and Palutena go.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Only looking at in game canon and elements of gameplay that prove consistent without contradicting it (So no Hyrule Warriors Link with the Ocarina, Wind Waker, Fierce Diet Mask and so on) and tend to be within the realm of realistic situations for these characters (No 99 live Marios) here are my thoughts:

S Tier:


(Spoilers but let's just say the Monado has quite a lot going on and the ending gives Shulk a huge edge)


(Kirby stands far above other God Slayer characters due to having massive adaptability, massive potential, and has displayed within his own games some degree of planet busting capacity, something which isn't really seen in general by any characters within Smash Bros.)


(Because the character is Rosalina AND Luma, you get a pretty solid amount of juice out of these guys. The Luma are capable of doing insane stuff like forming planets and stopping bllack holes when they work in numbers, and Rosalina's powers while hard to measure within canon at the very least are on a cosmic scale)


(Similar levels of destructive power as Kirby but with much less potential on the cosmic scale. You don't lose to Kirby repeatedly and expect to be above him. The one thing he has going over Kirby is that he's fully grown and knows a ton better than Kirby does.)



A Tier


(Young Link is a time traveler with a mask that turns him into a god, the best arsenal of any Link, experience from saving the world twice, pretty solid magic, swordsmanship, and so on. That all said, Young Link marks a gap where you stop seeing planet busters)


(Working with Super Sonic having 50 Rings since its the most consistent number shown and Rings in general are pretty BS when it comes to how they work within canon and sometimes even gameplay. Sonic fights anything ranging from giant mechs, to ancient monsters. to even Magic Users. Super Sonic gives him that extra push to having the potential to take out cosmic scale foes around which is a pretty big deal, though it's limitations prevent him from being a full on godslayer.)


(Fights Cosmic Horrors with powerful PSI, capable of creating various barriers, teleportation, blasts of Psychic energy, can absorb energy, and heal himself. Can endure a battle with a galaxy destroying horrror monster just fine. Carries around his trust Bat and his projectile deflecting Franklin Badge. )


(Pit is a Pretty standard God Slayer with a huge line of weaponry behind him and all sorts of magical items too. Dark Pit is pretty much the same but with the whole "I DROPKICKED A BOSS" as well. Honestly not sure whether he's just below Ness or a good amount above.)

B Tier


(Shock! Ganondorf this Low!? Yeah as tempted as I am to put him higher, Ganondorf himself tends to get wrecked repeatedly by kids with swords and light magic in general. In Ganon for he's a much bigger threat capable of massive conquest but he has a tendency to get killed and/or sealed a ton.)


(Anyone ranking Palutena all the way on top needs to stop looking at the title of "Goddess" for a second and look back at her boss fight in Kid Icarus Uprising where she tended to get killed pretty fast. Greek Gods are powerful but only slightly less prone to getting killed by something that'd kill most humans.)



(Sprinting pile of missiles, bombs, and lasers covered in Power Armor with lots of health tanks and massive overall mobility. Even without the suit she's still Superhuman in terms of her physical ability. She fights all sorts of deadly space creatures and then gets out there before the planet explodes time after time.)


(Jumping pile of guns, jetpacks, bombs, time freezing powers, lasers, flamethrowers and anything you can think of combined with his E-Tanks for durability. That said he's got a screaming weakness to lava and spike pits.)


(Seriously, Ike is one of the best Units in the series and strongest Lord in general. No other Fire Emblem character in Smash can really solo entire games the same way Ike could)

I can already smell the controversy as far as Sonic, Ganon, and Palutena go.

Sonic is S tier (No pun intendo).


He can stop time you know.

 

[Comorant]

Sonic is S tier (No pun intendo).


He can stop time you know.

Sonic's ability to manipulate time is so inconsistent I don't even factor it in.

The only instance of him directly stopping time within the games is Sonic Adventure 2's multiplayer modes which I think is safe to say is non-canon considering it never shows up again. I mean that's the same game mode where Knuckles has the power to blast people with lightning and rain meteors of death on everyone while Amy and Rogue both have magic laser beams.

Heck even in Sonic Adventure 2's multiplayer Time Stop only froze the other player in place and never actually stopped time.

Then we have TIme Break which is only seen in two games of which both are questionably canon as well and is more akin to Max Payne's bullet time than it is actual time stopping.

I mean heck if we're gonna argue that time manipulation is instant S tier, Mega Man dominates everyone by freezing time, walking behind people, and then popping them in the back of the skull with the Metal Blade, and Unlike Sonic, Mega Man's Time Stopper is actually within canon.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

I can't remember what we specifically said about sonic ages ago, but we had eventually agreed that he could stop time in some way, although I'm too lazy to go and look back.

Also Mega Man cannot attack while using time stopper.

 

[Munomario777]

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As stated earlier in the thread, Shulk basically told Alvis to do "that" thing at the end of Xenoblade.

We're giving all characters maximum health and ammo, and Sonic uses Rings for both. Thus, Sonic gets 999,999 Rings (I've provided reasons for saying this previously in the thread). How are Rings ridiculous in terms of gameplay/story? They're just his health system and his fuel.

Sonic's ability to manipulate time is so inconsistent I don't even factor it in.

The only instance of him directly stopping time within the games is Sonic Adventure 2's multiplayer modes which I think is safe to say is non-canon considering it never shows up again. I mean that's the same game mode where Knuckles has the power to blast people with lightning and rain meteors of death on everyone while Amy and Rogue both have magic laser beams.

Heck even in Sonic Adventure 2's multiplayer Time Stop only froze the other player in place and never actually stopped time.

Then we have TIme Break which is only seen in two games of which both are questionably canon as well and is more akin to Max Payne's bullet time than it is actual time stopping.

I mean heck if we're gonna argue that time manipulation is instant S tier, Mega Man dominates everyone by freezing time, walking behind people, and then popping them in the back of the skull with the Metal Blade, and Unlike Sonic, Mega Man's Time Stopper is actually within canon.

You rule out something because it's inconsistent, and then you include something that only happened one time at the end of Xenoblade?

In Sonic Heroes, the technique known as Chaos Control is shown to have time-freezing properties. Sonic has been shown to be able to use Chaos Control on multiple occasions, the most notable of which being in Sonic Adventure 2, when he uses it to escape a metal capsule hurtling toward the earth and exploding.

In a one-on-one scenario, freezing the opponent is effectively the same as freezing time altogether. Also, in the Sonic Heroes instance, it freezes time (moving doors and the like freeze as well).

Ah yes, Time Break. Secret Rings is canon, since Sonic references the events of that game in Sonic Generations. It's safe to assume that the same goes for Black Knight, since there's nothing stating otherwise.

As stated before, Mega Man can't Attack with other weapons while freezing time.

 

[Nerdicon]

We're giving all characters maximum health and ammo, and Sonic uses Rings for both. Thus, Sonic gets 999,999 Rings (I've provided reasons for saying this previously in the thread). How are Rings ridiculous in terms of gameplay/story? They're just his health system and his fuel.

Sonic gets hit once before he transforms, he loses every single ring he owns, the transformation isn't instant, but it's not as long as the dramatic drawn out cutscenes. Plus some characters (Kirby and Ganondorf) can actually stall out Super Sonic, most notably Ganondorf

As stated before, Mega Man can't Attack with other weapons while freezing time.

He could just as easily walk into someone for the same effect, you yourself said something similar earlier in this thread

 

[Nerdicon]

Only looking at in game canon and elements of gameplay that prove consistent without contradicting it (So no Hyrule Warriors Link with the Ocarina, Wind Waker, Fierce Diet Mask and so on) and tend to be within the realm of realistic situations for these characters (No 99 live Marios) here are my thoughts:

S Tier:


(Spoilers but let's just say the Monado has quite a lot going on and the ending gives Shulk a huge edge)


(Kirby stands far above other God Slayer characters due to having massive adaptability, massive potential, and has displayed within his own games some degree of planet busting capacity, something which isn't really seen in general by any characters within Smash Bros.)


(Because the character is Rosalina AND Luma, you get a pretty solid amount of juice out of these guys. The Luma are capable of doing insane stuff like forming planets and stopping bllack holes when they work in numbers, and Rosalina's powers while hard to measure within canon at the very least are on a cosmic scale)


(Similar levels of destructive power as Kirby but with much less potential on the cosmic scale. You don't lose to Kirby repeatedly and expect to be above him. The one thing he has going over Kirby is that he's fully grown and knows a ton better than Kirby does.)



A Tier


(Young Link is a time traveler with a mask that turns him into a god, the best arsenal of any Link, experience from saving the world twice, pretty solid magic, swordsmanship, and so on. That all said, Young Link marks a gap where you stop seeing planet busters)


(Working with Super Sonic having 50 Rings since its the most consistent number shown and Rings in general are pretty BS when it comes to how they work within canon and sometimes even gameplay. Sonic fights anything ranging from giant mechs, to ancient monsters. to even Magic Users. Super Sonic gives him that extra push to having the potential to take out cosmic scale foes around which is a pretty big deal, though it's limitations prevent him from being a full on godslayer.)


(Fights Cosmic Horrors with powerful PSI, capable of creating various barriers, teleportation, blasts of Psychic energy, can absorb energy, and heal himself. Can endure a battle with a galaxy destroying horrror monster just fine. Carries around his trust Bat and his projectile deflecting Franklin Badge. )


(Pit is a Pretty standard God Slayer with a huge line of weaponry behind him and all sorts of magical items too. Dark Pit is pretty much the same but with the whole "I DROPKICKED A BOSS" as well. Honestly not sure whether he's just below Ness or a good amount above.)

B Tier


(Shock! Ganondorf this Low!? Yeah as tempted as I am to put him higher, Ganondorf himself tends to get wrecked repeatedly by kids with swords and light magic in general. In Ganon for he's a much bigger threat capable of massive conquest but he has a tendency to get killed and/or sealed a ton.)


(Anyone ranking Palutena all the way on top needs to stop looking at the title of "Goddess" for a second and look back at her boss fight in Kid Icarus Uprising where she tended to get killed pretty fast. Greek Gods are powerful but only slightly less prone to getting killed by something that'd kill most humans.)



(Sprinting pile of missiles, bombs, and lasers covered in Power Armor with lots of health tanks and massive overall mobility. Even without the suit she's still Superhuman in terms of her physical ability. She fights all sorts of deadly space creatures and then gets out there before the planet explodes time after time.)


(Jumping pile of guns, jetpacks, bombs, time freezing powers, lasers, flamethrowers and anything you can think of combined with his E-Tanks for durability. That said he's got a screaming weakness to lava and spike pits.)


(Seriously, Ike is one of the best Units in the series and strongest Lord in general. No other Fire Emblem character in Smash can really solo entire games the same way Ike could)

I can already smell the controversy as far as Sonic, Ganon, and Palutena go.

I can understand why you placed Shulk this high I mean he could just *spoilers* so he doesn't even have to fight them really and I'm pretty sure "that" would ignore invincibility. I mean you'd have to have the ability to literally travel through dimensions if you didn't want Shulk to *spoilers*

HYPERNOVA, SAYONARA SUCKAAAA! In all seriousness Long list of abilities + Extreme durability + Warp Star for mobility = Tough marshmallow I sort of agree with this

and Luma(s) can make planets or small galaxies form in your face, including black holes so she's powerful, but that takes a while.

I feel should be placed alongside Kirby as MK has some tricks up his sleeve, like teleportation and overpowered sword beams. Still, Kirby has defeated MK a few times over the years

Let's not forget Nauru's Love plus Chateau Romani for 3 days of invincibility if things are looking bleak, I agree with this placement as Young Link is definitely the strongest Link

Eeeeeehhhh...to each his own. Don't really agree with your reasoning but the placement makes enough sense

Franklin Badge reflects electricity nothing more nothing less.

Geez I have to complete this later

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

(Shock! Ganondorf this Low!? Yeah as tempted as I am to put him higher, Ganondorf himself tends to get wrecked repeatedly by kids with swords and light magic in general. In Ganon for he's a much bigger threat capable of massive conquest but he has a tendency to get killed and/or sealed a ton.)

Actually, the only things able to kill him, or at least incapacitate him, are the Master Sword and the Light Arrows. So he'd have to be WAAAAY higher than that!

 

[Munomario777]

Sonic gets hit once before he transforms, he loses every single ring he owns, the transformation isn't instant, but it's not as long as the dramatic drawn out cutscenes. Plus some characters (Kirby and Ganondorf) can actually stall out Super Sonic, most notably Ganondorf

In many games, Sonic only loses some of his Rings upon getting hit (usually about half of his current count, but other games have less than that, such as Sonic Boom on the Wii U, where I believe Sonic only drops ten or fifteen per hit). Either way, though, his reflexes and speed are enough to dodge nearly any attack, and the transformation takes only a fraction of a second. I don't see how Ganondorf or Kirby could stall Super Sonic any more than the other characters; care to elaborate on that?

He could just as easily walk into someone for the same effect, you yourself said something similar earlier in this thread

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't running into an enemy hurt you in the Mega Man games?

 

[Meta_Ridley]

Mega Man can't use any of his other weapons while freezing time, but the slide attack and uppercut, while absent in Mega Man 2, could still conceivably be used, the latter of which would definitely hurt.

Also, Sonic Boom usually has a ring limit of 100, so the 15 rings makes sense for that number (plus Sonic Boom is geared towards the kids who would watch the show, so the developers wouldn't want to make the game too difficult). If Sonic's going with nearly a million rings (which I still say is a preposterous amount), then take the "x rings lost" from the games such a ludicrous ring amount is from.

Btw, at some point you mentioned the light-speed dash clocking in at 278 SPD or something, right? And that normal running clocks in at higher? What game is that from, and would you mind posting a video?

 

[Munomario777]

Also, Sonic Boom usually has a ring limit of 100, so the 15 rings makes sense for that number (plus Sonic Boom is geared towards the kids who would watch the show, so the developers wouldn't want to make the game too difficult). If Sonic's going with nearly a million rings (which I still say is a preposterous amount), then take the "x rings lost" from the games such a ludicrous ring amount is from.

Yeah, I was just using that as another example. The 999,999 limit is from the Chao Garden in Sonic Adventure 2, which has no hazards, and thus no way to lose Rings other than buying items. The closest thing to that Ring count where Sonic can lose Rings is in Sonic Unleashed, which I believe has Sonic losing half his current Ring count upon getting hit.

Btw, at some point you mentioned the light-speed dash clocking in at 278 SPD or something, right? And that normal running clocks in at higher? What game is that from, and would you mind posting a video?

That's from Sonic Unleashed; the checkpoints in that game measure Sonic's current speed (running is about 2,800 max, by the way). I don't have a video offhand (using a mobile device to type this), but it should be easy enough to find one.

 

[Comorant]

Ganon's been taken down by the Four Sword and the Magical Sword in the past so it's safe to say that the Master Sword and Light Arrows are the weapons that land the killing blow while other weapons are able to at least do some harm. There's nothing to say that something like the Monado, Star Rod, or Sacred Treasures can't knock him out.

As far as Mega Man's Time Stopper, it's a weird case. As far as we know all Mega Man can't do is use his other weapons while its active. He can however use it, walk to someone's blind spot, wait for it to wear out, and then in under a second switch to one of his other weapons and fire it point blank where reflexes are not gonna kick in fast enough and it pretty much becomes a matter of can you survive a buzzsaw. It's not completely useless as a tool for combat.

Franklin Badge is capable of deflecting PSI Beam in the original Mother as well any electric attacks so I'm gonna just assume it's a general energy projectile deflection tool.

Sonic in general is just sketchy by nature of how his canon has had so many shifts, the soft reboot, and so many things both introduced and phased out. The mechanics behind them seem to shift from game to game with some games limiting him to 999 and Sonic Unleashed going over 1,000. Chao Garden and various stores are hard to count considering he never has 999,999 rings within actual levels. Then we have the way he shifts from losing every Ring to losing only some Rings. The only thing that ever stays the same is the old rule of "One Ring is enough to prevent death". Honestly 999 seems to be the best number here just because it shows up in the huge majority of Sonic games. Arguing Sonic canon is like arguing whether Dragon Ball Z characters can blow up a galaxy in one attack.

 

[Munomario777]

Sonic in general is just sketchy by nature of how his canon has had so many shifts, the soft reboot, and so many things both introduced and phased out. The mechanics behind them seem to shift from game to game with some games limiting him to 999 and Sonic Unleashed going over 1,000. Chao Garden and various stores are hard to count considering he never has 999,999 rings within actual levels. Then we have the way he shifts from losing every Ring to losing only some Rings. The only thing that ever stays the same is the old rule of "One Ring is enough to prevent death". Honestly 999 seems to be the best number here just because it shows up in the huge majority of Sonic games. Arguing Sonic canon is like arguing whether Dragon Ball Z characters can blow up a galaxy in one attack.

I do agree that there are some inconsistencies within the series. However, I don't think we should ignore the times when Sonic is shown holding that many Rings. I think a good thing to do in general here is to take the best from canon, rather than the "norm." If a character did it once, they can do it again.

 

[Comorant]

I do agree that there are some inconsistencies within the series. However, I don't think we should ignore the times when Sonic is shown holding that many Rings. I think a good thing to do in general here is to take the best from canon, rather than the "norm." If a character did it once, they can do it again.

Considering the Chao Garden rings are shared across every character it's safe to say those Rings are never actually being lugged around by Sonic and most likely are just stored. Your best bet would probably looking at the max ring count of something like Sonic Unleashed where it seems to be a good number higher than usual and is recent enough to assume it still applies and hasn't been hit by retcons or soft reboots.

 

[Munomario777]

Considering the Chao Garden rings are shared across every character it's safe to say those Rings are never actually being lugged around by Sonic and most likely are just stored. Your best bet would probably looking at the max ring count of something like Sonic Unleashed where it seems to be a good number higher than usual and is recent enough to assume it still applies and hasn't been hit by retcons or soft reboots.

It's not like Sonic has 333,333 on him at once, Tails has 333,333, Knuckles has 333,333, etc.; you could buy 999,999 Rings worth of items in the Black Market in one go without having to go get more Rings.

 

[Comorant]

If we're gonna look at it like that then the chart is probably along the lines of this:

SSS:

(Everything about Rosalina and her Lumas plus the White Tanooki Suit)

S:





(White Tanooki Suit strikes again! God mode hilarity ensues!)






(Well Sakurai did say he was already perfect!)

A

Various assorted nuts that look underwhelming compared to and

Though Mewtwo Might be S tier if we're gonna consider Mewtwo outruns Pokemon that supposedly are faster than the Speed of sound.

 

[Munomario777]

(White Tanooki Suit strikes again! God mode hilarity ensues!)

Well, in order to get the White Tanooki Suit, the player has to die at least five times, and since we're not taking extra lives into account here, it would be impossible for Mario and crew to get one of these in this scenario (before you say that he could bring one with him as a consumable like he could a Fire Flower, this is one of the items that can't be stored in a reserve slot in the games it appears in).

 

[Comorant]

Well, in order to get the White Tanooki Suit, the player has to die at least five times, and since we're not taking extra lives into account here, it would be impossible for Mario and crew to get one of these in this scenario (before you say that he could bring one with him as a consumable like he could a Fire Flower, this is one of the items that can't be stored in a reserve slot in the games it appears in).

Pretty much the exact same thing could be said about Sonic's rings in general which is my point here. Sonic can only have 999,999 Rings in Chao World and can't carry them into levels with him. When you bring in stuff like that it just ends up really silly.



Plus you have the hilarity of this guy being able to wreck everything with the potential to have monsters on his party like these guys

 

[Munomario777]

Pretty much the exact same thing could be said about Sonic's rings in general which is my point here. Sonic can only have 999,999 Rings in Chao World and can't carry them into levels with him. When you bring in stuff like that it just ends up really silly.



Plus you have the hilarity of this guy being able to wreck everything with the potential to have monsters on his party like these guys

Actually, the exact opposite thing can be said about the Rings. Sonic doesn't have to die to get Rings (in fact, he loses them all if he dies) and he can carry them with him to use later. Whether or not it happens in a level or not doesn't matter; Sonic is carrying those Rings with him.

 

[Nerdicon]

In many games, Sonic only loses some of his Rings upon getting hit (usually about half of his current count, but other games have less than that, such as Sonic Boom on the Wii U, where I believe Sonic only drops ten or fifteen per hit). Either way, though, his reflexes and speed are enough to dodge nearly any attack, and the transformation takes only a fraction of a second. I don't see how Ganondorf or Kirby could stall Super Sonic any more than the other characters; care to elaborate on that?

Dorf can only be killed by holy weaponry, the only things Sonic has that can harm Dorf are Excalibur and Caliburn, and Excalibur is an entirely different transformation and Kirby's invincible as a Stone and when he blocks with Ice, Mirror, or Leaf

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't running into an enemy hurt you in the Mega Man games?

Same is true for just about every game (Sonic, Kirby, Mario, DK, etc) plus that's just common (ish) sense, object moves from point a to point b in 0 seconds, how fast is it moving?

 

[SleuthMechanism]

Mewtwo. power over the elements(flamethrower, thunderbolt, icebeam, etc), unmatched psychic powers in a world full of critters capable of great feats of such mental powers, and he's no slouch up close either with its powerful physical strength.(remember mewtwo has a high attack stat and the ability to learn several powerful physical moves such as focus punch and giga impact) This leaves mewtwo as the perfect biological weapon who has something to deal with any situation.Ganondorf is a close second as well as the goddesses(rosalina, palutena) but they both lack the sheer amount of tools and strength that mewtwo has and though ganondorf is immortal that does not mean he cannot be disabled and taken out of the fight by other means.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

Mewtwo. power over the elements(flamethrower, thunderbolt, icebeam, etc), unmatched psychic powers in a world full of critters capable of great feats of such mental powers, and he's no slouch up close either with its powerful physical strength.(remember mewtwo has a high attack stat and the ability to learn several powerful physical moves such as focus punch and giga impact) This leaves mewtwo as the perfect biological weapon who has something to deal with any situation.Ganondorf is a close second as well as the goddesses(rosalina, palutena) but they both lack the sheer amount of tools and strength that mewtwo has and though ganondorf is immortal that does not mean he cannot be disabled and taken out of the fight by other means.

Yes, Mewtwo is powerful, but Sonic can beat it by freezing time and attacking. The Pokémon Trainer can beat it using Arceus and Giratina/Palkia/Dialga.

 

[Munomario777]

Dorf can only be killed by holy weaponry, the only things Sonic has that can harm Dorf are Excalibur and Caliburn, and Excalibur is an entirely different transformation and Kirby's invincible as a Stone and when he blocks with Ice, Mirror, or Leaf

Actually, the Chaos Emeralds are also linked to the gods of Sonic's world. Once upon a time, the Chaos Emeralds were being misused for terrible evil by the world. The gods of Sonic's world saw this, and created the Master Emerald, which could control the Chaos Emeralds and keep them in check in case they were being misused. Gods created the Master Emerald, and the Master Emerald controls the Chaos Emeralds. As for Kirby, Darkspine Sonic (Sonic's transformation which grants him pyrokinesis) could melt the Freeze barrier and burn the pile of Leaves. Sonic's quills can cut through entire steel spaceships without even moving at the speed of sound, so it's safe to say that he could cut through the Stone transformation while moving at the speed of sound, speed of light, or infinite speed due to time freezing. The only one left is Mirror. It's not explicitly said what the barrier is made of, but it appears to be some sort of concentration of light into a sphere around Kirby (as hinted at by the rainbow color) which can somehow block attacks. Let's assume the damaging light is circling around Kirby, since it's not visibly flying away from or towards him (and it would make sense for a "light buzzsaw" to damage enemies). It may seem like Sonic would have a hard time doing this even when freezing time with Chaos Control, but he has a few more tricks up his nonexistent sleeve than I've shared thus far.

In Sonic 2006, Sonic gets special shoes known as the Custom Shoes from a man named Alberto Robert. These shoes have the special property of being able to hold eight Gems, each of which grant a special power. These range from a grappling hook tractor beam to freezing in midair, but the most important one here is the Purple Gem. When activated, this Gem shrinks Sonic down to a fraction of his size and gives him infinite jumps (in other words, flight). This would shrink him enough to slip past the beams of light circling Kirby (or just teleport inside the barrier with Chaos Control).

Same is true for just about every game (Sonic, Kirby, Mario, DK, etc) plus that's just common (ish) sense, object moves from point a to point b in 0 seconds, how fast is it moving?

Yes, enemies can harm Sonic when he runs into them. However, his spinball attack negates regular enemy damage, and that's what he uses to perform most of his attacks (not to mention the fact that Super Sonic is invincible anyways). Mega Man has no such technique in his games, and it's clearly shown that enemies still harm him even when he's freezing time.

Yes, Mewtwo is powerful, but Sonic can beat it by freezing time and attacking. The Pokémon Trainer can beat it using Arceus and Giratina/Palkia/Dialga.

Not if he can't pull out the Pokemon in the first place due to time being frozen.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

Not if he can't pull out the Pokemon in the first place due to time being frozen.

I was referring to Mewtwo vs the trainer.

But in the time Sonic takes to go Super, can throw out a Pokémon or two, including Dialga, who can control time.

 

[Munomario777]

I was referring to Mewtwo vs the trainer.

But in the time Sonic takes to go Super, can throw out a Pokémon or two, including Dialga, who can control time.

I know; I was referring to the second part of your post.

The transformation into Super Sonic takes about a third to a half of a second, and Chaos Control is also very quick. Sending out a Pokemon after taking the Pokeball out of a backpack would take about a couple of seconds or so (plus the time it takes for the Trainer to tell his Pokemon what to do). Even if Dialga did come out before Sonic could freeze time and froze time itself, that would only prolong Super Sonic's duration by freezing his Ring count (and he couldn't be attacked because he's invincible and all). If Dialga didn't freeze time, Sonic could use either teleportation or pure speed to get behind Dialga and take out the Trainer in one swift blow.

 

[the king of murder]

This thread brings back so many memories. *Sigh, how time has really flown by.

I feel like Zero Suit Samus is underrated as hell. That woman lived on a planet with far more intense gravity than planet than earth and she has trained with one of the most advanced species so I think she certanly has the strenght of a super human. We all know Powersuit Samus is destruction but Samus without suit should be at least on par with Snake, because I think she is atleast more super human than him.

Also, my memory is a bit foggy on this but doesn't Samus have something that allows her to go super speed as well? I think it is the Speed Booster. If that's the case she should be able to keep up with Sonic and blast him with her powerful weaponery like her Ice Beam and than Sunburst. Though, if he can time stop that's kinda cheap I guess.

I dont know anything about Xenoblade so I have no choice but to accept Shulk as the strongest for now, if he really becomes a reality warper.

I have played Mario Galaxy and I don't know what makes Rosalina so powerful other than her title and that she is the mother of creatures that become planets or stars.

 

[Munomario777]

This thread brings back so many memories. *Sigh, how time has really flown by.

Ah, memories...

I feel like Zero Suit Samus is underrated as hell. That woman lived on a planet with far more intense gravity than planet than earth and she has trained with one of the most advanced species so I think she certanly has the strenght of a super human. We all know Powersuit Samus is destruction but Samus without suit should be at least on par with Snake, because I think she is atleast more super human than him.

Hmm, interesting. Very good point about the gravity; she must be quite a bit stronger than she appears if the gravity really is that intense.

Also, my memory is a bit foggy on this but doesn't Samus have something that allows her to go super speed as well? I think it is the Speed Booster. If that's the case she should be able to keep up with Sonic and blast him with her powerful weaponery like her Ice Beam and than Sunburst. Though, if he can time stop that's kinda cheap I guess.

Well, Samus's Speed Booster allows her to move at supersonic speeds (somewhere around Mach 1-Mach 2). Sonic can move at hypersonic speeds (up to Mach 10 or so) while running (the Light Speed Attack allows him to home in on enemies at light speed), and he has the reflexes to match his speed to dodge nearly any attack. And yes, he can stop time via Chaos Control, as well as becoming invincible with his Super Sonic transformation.

I dont know anything about Xenoblade so I have no choice but to accept Shulk as the strongest for now, if he really becames a reality warper.

Well, Shulk basically told Alvis to do "that" thing at the end of Xenoblade, rather than doing it himself.

I have played Mario Galaxy and I don't know what makes Rosalina so powerful other than her title and that she is the mother of creatures that become planets or stars.

She has some sort of telekinesis abilities, flight, gravity control, etc., in addition to controlling the Lumas. She's a good enough fighter, but nothing that really stands out too much in comparison to the rest of the cast.

 

[xXx_360Lucas420_xXx]

No ones talking about the PSI kids, Lucas and Ness, brings a tear to my eye.

 

[Nerdicon]

Actually, the Chaos Emeralds are also linked to the gods of Sonic's world. Once upon a time, the Chaos Emeralds were being misused for terrible evil by the world. The gods of Sonic's world saw this, and created the Master Emerald, which could control the Chaos Emeralds and keep them in check in case they were being misused. Gods created the Master Emerald, and the Master Emerald controls the Chaos Emeralds. As for Kirby, Darkspine Sonic (Sonic's transformation which grants him pyrokinesis) could melt the Freeze barrier and burn the pile of Leaves. Sonic's quills can cut through entire steel spaceships without even moving at the speed of sound, so it's safe to say that he could cut through the Stone transformation while moving at the speed of sound, speed of light, or infinite speed due to time freezing. The only one left is Mirror. It's not explicitly said what the barrier is made of, but it appears to be some sort of concentration of light into a sphere around Kirby (as hinted at by the rainbow color) which can somehow block attacks. Let's assume the damaging light is circling around Kirby, since it's not visibly flying away from or towards him (and it would make sense for a "light buzzsaw" to damage enemies). It may seem like Sonic would have a hard time doing this even when freezing time with Chaos Control, but he has a few more tricks up his nonexistent sleeve than I've shared thus far.

Although burning the barrier would make logical sense, it's contradicted by actual gameplay, in which case I retract my earlier statement regarding the Time-Stopper (Mega Man is still high tier though, just a few spots lower). Stone kirby canonically can't be hurt PERIOD. He can be directly beneath a wormhole to a violent dimension and be perfectly fine, so yeah nothing can hurt stone. The only thing that could harm Ice and Mirror while guarding is Marx's Black Hole which is really more of a wormhole than anything. Also the purple gem shrinks Sonic to like, 4 inches aka the size of a normal Kirby enemy. The chaos emerald thing I feel is...reaching to say the least. I feel Excalibur Sonic would work, but not just Super Sanic. Seems like you specifically need a weapon blessed by the gods, not a power I mean the sages tried executing Ganon and they're blessed/chosen by the gods, and that worked out well (not)

Yes, enemies can harm Sonic when he runs into them. However, his spinball attack negates regular enemy damage, and that's what he uses to perform most of his attacks (not to mention the fact that Super Sonic is invincible anyways). Mega Man has no such technique in his games, and it's clearly shown that enemies still harm him even when he's freezing time.

Although I disagree. i'm going to have to live with it to not be a complete and total hypocrite (BUT IT MAKES SENSE ARGGGH)

 

[the king of murder]

Ah, memories...

Yeah, good ol days. The days where I argued a lot and made wall of texts.(Still do) I still write a lot from time to time, so forgive me if my texts are sometimes a bit time consuming.

Hmm, interesting. Very good point about the gravity; she must be quite a bit stronger than she appears if the gravity really is that intense.

Yeah, Zebes gravity is stated to be a lot higher than earth in the Metroid Prime game, though to really know that we had to calculate some physic formulas which I am not good at, haha. There are some people who have calculated the mass of the planet plus gravity force and she can supposedly lift about 600 tons. Others have said that kind of thing is impossible since she would have been crushed there the moment she arrived.

However,if data books are anything to go by, Samus is suppossed to be 6'3 tall, her weight 198 Ibs and have the body shape of a woman who regularly lifts(muscular body) http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/File:Samus_Aran_Varia_suit_Super_Metroid_Player's_Guide_1994.jpg

Also, her genes have been altered multiple times(i.e Metroid Fusion), so it wouldnt be so much of a strech to say that she is a super woman.

Well, Samus's Speed Booster allows her to move at supersonic speeds (somewhere around Mach 1-Mach 2). Sonic can move at hypersonic speeds (up to Mach 10 or so) while running (the Light Speed Attack allows him to home in on enemies at light speed), and he has the reflexes to match his speed to dodge nearly any attack. And yes, he can stop time via Chaos Control, as well as becoming invincible with his Super Sonic transformation.

Hmm, I see. I dont think Sonic is invincible, though. I have seen Sonic getting knocked out of his Super form in some of his games and it was never stated in game that he will become invincible so I think attacks that are strong enough should knock him out(Samus with her destructive weapons, all the holy weapon user(Link, Ike ect..), Ganon's magic blast, Palutena, Bowser with star rod...keep in mind that I am not saying they absolutely beat him)

Sonic really doesnt need that invincibility, though. His god like Chaos Emeralds are enough to make him top tier. That plus his speed, super form and time control power. However, I do think Ganondorf can tie(and possibly even beat him though I wouldnt count on that because of time control) with him if we talk about 100% peak of power, full potential. Ganon hasnt been explored enough, people only think of his "immortality" as his sole power when he has far, far more that makes him extremely powerful. You cannot just teleport him into space and hope he wont come back becuase he has powers that can get him back, no problem. More about that later.

Well, Shulk basically told Alvis to do "that" thing at the end of Xenoblade, rather than doing it himself.

I wonder if I should get Xenoblade. Sounds like a good game. But first I have to play Fire Emblem Awakening. That game has really spoken to me.


I also want to adress Ganondorfs invincibility a bit. I feel like it is a bit overrated. I do think he is invulnerable against the large potion of the cast because of in game statement and it is proven in gameplay and cutscenes.
(I will list them out later) However, that's because he holds a godly protection in him so anyone with holy powers(meaning blessed by the gods in some way), should be able to counter him(Ike, Palutena, Lucina ect..). It doesnt have to be specially designed to kill him.

However, everyone thinks Ganondorf has only his defense going for him. I think he is still a top tier up there with Sonic, Palutena? and Samus(who are quite the monsters themselves but I am sure Ganon can atleast tie with them with full potential) and only trumped by Shulk and possibly Pokemon trainer. People underrate him because he lost to Link more times than he has won but honsetly thats only because of plot(Not to mention help from others, the sages+Zelda in OOT, Zelda+the King in WW and Midna+Zelda+the light spirits against Ganon alone). If we look at what he can do, he should be able to stomp Link if he goes all out but he never uses his full arsenal for some reason. He is clearly more powerful than Link.

Here is a list of his ablities.(Warning, long list)

Spoiler

-invincibility on anything that is not holy(in OOT final battle you can use only use the Master Sword to finish him off. Element Arrows, Dins Fire, Bombs, Hammer, Biggoron Sword, which is actually a lot stronger than the Master Sword ect cannot do anything to him in the last round. In Wind Waker Waker, the firebreath of Valoo, who is a powerful dragon and the unblessed Master Sword didnt even do a scratch to him and in TP any other weapon than the Master Sword(and Light Arrows from Zelda I guess) wont scratch him as well
-immortality(kinda debatable)
-godlike strength(broke free from heavy chains in TP and kills a sage with his bare hands , opened an entrance in the pyramid in ALTTP with brute strength, has a punch that causes the floors to break in OOT, he broke free from the heap of ruins of his castle when the entire castle fell down on him, and he destroys pillars and castles like its not even there in his Ganon form
- in general a powerful magic user and with the Triforce of Power he becomes near god like
- possesses incredibly powerful darkness, fire and lightning magic with a lot of variety i.e large fireballs, fire rings, bat shaped fire attacks, lightning/darkness blast ala Dragon Ball style or Genkidama like attack or straight up lightning ala empereor style (see OOT, ALTTP, Oracle games there are too many to list)
- teleportation (see in TP, ALTTP ect..)
- can travel through dimensions(OOT, TP twilight portal)
- can fly/levitate (OOT,WW, ALTTP ect..)
-can revive other creatures(OOT Volvagia, TP the horseback fight where he summons the undead plus Zant revives a Fossil, who is basically just using Ganondorfs power)
- can freeze things (ask the Zoras how they are doing)
- can possess others (TP(Zelda), ALTTP(Agahnim) though it might not be useful for the more powerful charachters)
- can send/teleport others(see ALTTP,OOT, TP indirectly through Zant)
-can create barriers in multiple forms that either imprison his victims or makes them unable to move( too many games)
-powerful and agile swordsman(WW, TP)
- can transform into a beast form that makes him even more powerful and can crush people with just his size
- can create earthquake like attack that stun his opponent or damage them, might count as super strength as he causes it with his sheer power(oracles, OOT)
- his flame head form in TP that causes an explosion that leveled Hyrule Castle in his fight with Midna(I dont know exactly what it is but it seems to be one of his powers)
- had the entire Triforce in ALTTP (I know this is cheap but we are speaking of full potential here)

I think those things are not everything Ganon could do but the things I listed are the most important. Also his feats are nothing to laugh at
-conquerd and ruled Hyrule aka the world for 7 years without Link to stop him
- after breaking the seal, Ganon went on a rampage in the adult timeline and the Gods had to flood the world just to stop him
- conquered an entire dimension in ALTTP aka the sacred realm and transformed it into a dystopia
- destroyed an entire island just to search for Jabun
- defeated/killed Midna who possessed the power of the fused shadows, an artifact so powerful, it had to be sealed away by the gods
- destroyed his castle with his "last dying breath"
- plunged the entire world in enternal darkness(search for endless night in WW) with most of his powers sealed away
- in TP he transformed the light world into a twilight zone(okay that was Zants doing but remember that Zant draws his power from Ganondorf)
-actually killed Link in one of the timelines(look up Hyrule Hystoria timeline)
-and of course his endurance feat where he gets slashed by the Master Sword so many times that you cant count anymore, blasted by Light Arrows, gets his own castle to fall on him plus in TP got stabbed in the stomache(or heart) twice by holy swords and he still stood back up and tells them everything they do is useless before he dies while standing.(And in WW he got stabbed in the head, and he still laughs it off) In OOT all Link, Zelda and the Sages could do, was seal him away, which would later result in the WW events.

 

[Nerdicon]

Well, in order to get the White Tanooki Suit, the player has to die at least five times, and since we're not taking extra lives into account here, it would be impossible for Mario and crew to get one of these in this scenario (before you say that he could bring one with him as a consumable like he could a Fire Flower, this is one of the items that can't be stored in a reserve slot in the games it appears in).

Though using your logic from earlier, it's perfectly canon for Mario to have 99 invincibility stars because of New Super Mario Bros Wii

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Though using your logic from earlier, it's perfectly canon for Mario to have 99 invincibility stars because of New Super Mario Bros Wii

But he can only use one stored power-up per life in NDMB Wii, so it doesn't really matter if he has 99 stars; he can only use one

 

[Nerdicon]

But he can only use one stored power-up per life in NDMB Wii, so it doesn't really matter if he has 99 stars; he can only use one

And Sonic could only have 999,999 rings in the chao garden, not trying to be rude but, point?

 

[Munomario777]

Although burning the barrier would make logical sense, it's contradicted by actual gameplay, in which case I retract my earlier statement regarding the Time-Stopper (Mega Man is still high tier though, just a few spots lower). Stone kirby canonically can't be hurt PERIOD. He can be directly beneath a wormhole to a violent dimension and be perfectly fine, so yeah nothing can hurt stone. The only thing that could harm Ice and Mirror while guarding is Marx's Black Hole which is really more of a wormhole than anything. Also the purple gem shrinks Sonic to like, 4 inches aka the size of a normal Kirby enemy.

Out of curiosity, is the Leaf ability shown to block fire attacks in the games? Either way, I don't think Kirby would really be one to hide for eleven days straight. Plus, Sonic could just attack Kirby before he had the chance to get the ability and hide in it (if Kirby is attacked enough when he has a Copy Ability, he loses it).

The chaos emerald thing I feel is...reaching to say the least. I feel Excalibur Sonic would work, but not just Super Sanic. Seems like you specifically need a weapon blessed by the gods, not a power I mean the sages tried executing Ganon and they're blessed/chosen by the gods, and that worked out well (not)

Fair enough, but I don't see why it would specifically need to be a weapon. Just because the Seven Sages were chosen by the gods doesn't mean they had some sort of god-like attacking power. Also, Sonic's spines could be classified as a weapon.

Although I disagree. i'm going to have to live with it to not be a complete and total hypocrite (BUT IT MAKES SENSE ARGGGH)

Um, okay?

Yeah, good ol days. The days where I argued a lot and made wall of texts.(Still do) I still write a lot from time to time, so forgive me if my texts are sometimes a bit time consuming.

No worries.

Yeah, Zebes gravity is stated to be a lot higher than earth in the Metroid Prime game, though to really know that we had to calculate some physic formulas which I am not good at, haha. There are some people who have calculated the mass of the planet plus gravity force and she can supposedly lift about 600 tons. Others have said that kind of thing is impossible since she would have been crushed there the moment she arrived.

However,if data books are anything to go by, Samus is suppossed to be 6'3 tall, her weight 198 Ibs and have the body shape of a woman who regularly lifts(muscular body) http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/File:Samus_Aran_Varia_suit_Super_Metroid_Player's_Guide_1994.jpg

Also, her gens have been altered multiple times(i.e Metroid Fusion), so it wouldnt be so much of a strech to say that she is a super woman.

Mmmhmm.

Hmm, I see. I dont think Sonic is invincible, though. I have seen Sonic getting knocked out of his Super form in some of his games and it was never stated in game that he will become invincible so I think attacks that are strong enough should knock him out(Samus with her destructive weapons, all the holy weapon user(Link, Ike ect.., Ganons magic blast, Palutena, Bowser with star rod...keep in mind that I am not saying they absolutely beat him)

Well, in the opening to Sonic 3 and in Sonic Unleashed (the games where he does lose his super form), Sonic wasn't really being serious; in Sonic 3, he was essentially going for a joyride, and in Unleashed, he was taunting Eggman). He would probably be more serious against these more powerful opponents, since his quills' danger-sensing properties would warn him about the power he's facing at that time.

Sonic really doesnt need that invincibility, though. His god like Chaos Emeralds are enough to make him top tier. That plus his speed, super form and time control power. However, I do think Ganondorf can tie(and possibly even beat him though I wouldnt count on that because of time control) with him if we talk about 100% peak of power, full potential. Ganon hasnt been explored enough, people only think of his "immortality" as his sole power when he has far, far more that makes him extremely powerful. You cannot just teleport him into space and hope he wont come back becuase he has powers that can get him back, no problem. More about that later.

Agreed.

I wonder if I should get Xenoblade. Sounds like a good game. But first I have to play Fire Emblem Awakening. That game has really spoken to me.

I haven't played either game, so I can't help you there.

I also want to adress Ganondorfs invincibility a bit. I feel like it is a bit overrated. I do think he is invulnerable against the large potion of the cast because of in game statement and it is proven in gameplay and cutscenes.
(I will list them out later) However, that's because he holds a godly protection in him so anyone with a holy powers(meaning blessed by the gods in some way), should be able to counter him(Ike, Palutena, Lucina ect..). It doesnt have to be specially designed to kill him.

However, everyone treats Ganondorf like that's the only thing going for him. I think he is still a top tier up there with Sonic, Palutena? and Samus(who are quite the monsters themselves but I am sure Ganon can at least tie with them with full potential) and only trumped by Shulk and possibly Pokemon trainer. People underrate him because he lost to Link more times than he has won but honsetly thats only because of plot(Not to mention help from others, the sages+Zelda in OOT, Zelda+the King in WW and Midna+Zelda+the light spirits against Ganon alone). If we look at what he can do, he should be able to stomp Link if he goes all out but he never uses his full arsenal for some reason. He is clearly more powerful than Link.

Here is a list of his ablities.(Warning, long list)

Spoiler

-invincibility on anything that is not holy(in OOT final battle you can use only use the Master Sword to finish him off. Element Arrows, Dins Fire, Bombs, Hammer, Biggoron Sword, which is actually a lot stronger than the Master Sword ect cannot do anything to him in the last round. In Wind Waker Waker, the firebreath of Valoo, who is a powerful dragon and the unblessed Master Sword didnt even do a scratch to him and in TP any other weapon than the Master Sword(and Light Arrows from Zelda I guess) wont scratch him as well
-immortality(kinda debatable)
-godlike strength(broke free from heavy chains in TP and kills a sage with his bare hands , opened an entrance in the pyramid in ALTTP with brute strength, has a punch that causes the floors to break in OOT, he broke free from the heap of ruins of his castle when the entire castle fell down on him, and he destroys pillars and castles like its not even there in his Ganon form
- in general a powerful magic user and with the Triforce of Power he becomes near god like
- possesses incredibly powerful darkness, fire and lightning magic with a lot of variety i.e large fireballs, fire rings, bat shaped fire attacks, lightning/darkness blast ala Dragon Ball style or Genkidama like attack or straight up lightning ala empereor style (see OOT, ALTTP, Oracle games there are too many to list)
- teleportation (see in TP, ALTTP ect..)
- can travel through dimensions(OOT, TP twilight portal)
- can fly/levitate (OOT,WW, ALTTP ect..)
-can revive other creatures(OOT Volvagia, TP the horseback fight where he summons the undead plus Zant revives a Fossil, who is basically just using Ganondorfs power)
- can freeze things (ask the Zoras how they are doing)
- can possess others (TP(Zelda), ALTTP(Agahnim) though it might not be useful for the more powerful charachters)
- can send/teleport others(see ALTTP,OOT, TP indirectly through Zant)
-can create barriers in multiple forms that either imprisons his victims or makes them unable to move( too many games)
-powerful and agile swordsman(WW, TP)
- can transform into a beast form that makes him even more powerful and can crush people with just his size
- can create earthquake like attack that stun his opponent or damage them, might count as super strength as he causes it with his sheer power(oracles, OOT)
- his flame head form in TP that causes an explosion that leveled Hyrule Castle in his fight with Midna(I dont know exactly what it is but it seems to be one of his powers)
- had the entire Triforce in ALTTP (I know this is cheap but we are speaking of full potential here)

I think those things are not everything Ganon could do but the things I listed are the most important. Also his feats are nothing to laugh at
-conquerd and ruled Hyrule aka the world for 7 years without Link to stop him
- after breaking the seal, Ganon went on a rampage in the adult timeline and the Gods had to flood the world just to stop him
- conquered an entire dimension in ALTTP aka the sacred realm and transformed it into a dystopia
- destroyed an entire island just to search for Jabun
- defeated/killed Midna who possessed the power of the fused shadows, an artifact so powerful, it had to be sealed away by the gods
- destroyed his castle with his "last dying breath"
- plunged the entire world in enternal darkness(search for endless night in WW) with most of his powers sealed away
- in TP he transformed the light world into a twilight zone(okay that was Zants doing but remember that Zant draws his power from Ganondorf)
-actually killed Link in one of the timelines(look up Hyrule Hystoria timeline)
-and of course his endurance feat where he gets slashed by the Master Sword so many times that you cant count anymore, blasted by Light Arrows, gets his own castle to fall on him plus in TP got stabbed in the stomache(or heart) twice by holy swords and he still stood back up and tells them everything they do is useless before he dies while standing.(And in WW he got stabbed in the head, and he still laughs it off) In OOT all Link, Zelda and the Sages could do, was seal him away, which would later result in the WW events.

Very interesting. However, I don't think he's only been defeated for story/plot/help reasons; the help/plot wasn't really necessary in the Wind Waker fight. It was just an arena with Link vs. Ganondorf (Link could have wielded both the Light Arrows and the Master Sword as he did earlier in the game, but Zelda probably helped out to confuse Ganondorf with the Mirror Shield and all).

Though using your logic from earlier, it's perfectly canon for Mario to have 99 invincibility stars because of New Super Mario Bros Wii

Actually, we agreed earlier that characters would have one of every storable consumable (so one Star, along with every other storable power-up). The difference between a Star and a White Leaf is that Mario can store a star (as shown in NSMBWii/U), but not a White Leaf (also, he has to die five times to get a White Leaf, and lives aren't taken into account here).

But he can only use one stored power-up per life in NDMB Wii, so it doesn't really matter if he has 99 stars; he can only use one

Well, I don't think we should take that sort of thing into account here, since there's no actual "level" format; it's just a deathmatch. Mario has a ton of items, so he should be able to pull them out consecutively during battle. It's also worth noting that if Mario already has a power-up and consumes another one (whether that be from the environment or his own reserves), it will go back into his reserves.

 

[the king of murder]

Very interesting. However, I don't think he's only been defeated for story/plot/help reasons; the help/plot wasn't really necessary in the Wind Waker fight. It was just an arena with Link vs. Ganondorf (Link could have wielded both the Light Arrows and the Master Sword as he did earlier in the game, but Zelda probably helped out to confuse Ganondorf with the Mirror Shield and all).

Actually, the King wished for Link and Zelda to have a bright future, so Ganondorf would have lost no matter how much more powerful he would be.

Also, Zelda is very essential in the last fight because she can only land those hits, when someone distracted Ganon and you need two people for that. Otherwise, Ganon would have blocked everything.

I mean, Ganon slapped Link and Zelda around like toys throughout the game(I mean have you seen how brutally Ganon beat up Toon Link after his speech?) and only at the end after the King begged the gods to help them, do they defeat him.

 

[the king of murder]

Yeah, Zebes gravity is stated to be a lot higher than earth in the Metroid Prime game, though to really know that we had to calculate some physic formulas which I am not good at, haha. There are some people who have calculated the mass of the planet plus gravity force and she can supposedly lift about 600 tons. Others have said that kind of thing is impossible since she would have been crushed there the moment she arrived.

Ooops, I just realised I added a zero too much. It's about 60 tons. That is still insane.

 

[SleuthMechanism]

Though using your logic from earlier, it's perfectly canon for Mario to have 99 invincibility stars because of New Super Mario Bros Wii

Yeah, and since one is taking gameplay and story segregation aspects such as assuming the pokemon trainer would be able to capture and control several of the literal gods of his world(which realistically speaking would be implausible at best. considering that pokemon such as dialga(aging the ball to dust, freezing time to evade. making the trainer and it's pokemon die of old age, etc.)have many implied abilities to render capture attempts inert), that essentially leaves anything open.

 

[Meta_Ridley]

Yeah, and since one is taking gameplay and story segregation aspects such as assuming the pokemon trainer would be able to capture and control several of the literal gods of his world(which realistically speaking would be implausible at best. considering that pokemon such as dialga(aging the ball to dust, freezing time to evade. making the trainer and it's pokemon die of old age, etc.)have many implied abilities to render capture attempts inert), that essentially leaves anything open.

The big-name legendaries have been sort of reduced to "The embodiment of death wants to be your friend! You can't progress in the game unless you capture it!"

Pokémon Trainer's the quintessential protagonist, whose pure heart and champion spirit not only enable him or her to catch these legendaries but actually influence the legendaries to the point where they want to be a part of the Pokémon Trainer's team.