Who needs help with doc?

[the_air_up_there7]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=96853
Click on my thread, it's specificly for mario but they have a few diferences, whoever needs help just ask, I will gladly anwser your questions.

 

[Kashakunaki]

What do you use to SHBAWD? Control stick and A or C-Stick?

Also, when attempting to do Uair combos, is it better to L-Cancel and SHFFL them or is it bettter to just do it and not fastfall so you have zero lag when you hit the ground?

Still on that note, can you SHFF a Uair and still not have to L-Cancel it if you Uair after you short hop quick enough?

For PTP, how do you suggest I practice?

Jab combos and jab grabs. Do they only work on floatys? Can I, for example, jab grab a Falco (I know a jab smash doesn't work because the time between the second jab and the downsmash is too slow).

On that note as well, is it better to do one jab then combo or two. Does it vary? I was in a recent tournament and I noticed that on my second jab Marth would sometimes float behind me and I'd miss my downsmash or grab.

I basically have a simple understanding of these all, but might as well make use of this thread, you know?

 

[radical00edward]

is there any way to control dr marios pills?

 

[St. Viers]

radical: they bounce in a very readable pattern, but you can't control where they go, except by knowing how they bounce.

 

[Ronin686]

@Kashakunaki: Yes, if you uair right after a short hop, you can fast fall and not have to L-cancel it.

 

[Del Ici Ous]

Wow, could no one detect the sarcasm in Kashakunaki's post?

 

[calexbomb]

actually if you have any understanding of the english language youd choke on the level of sarcasm in that post

 

[Dogysamich]

Ok, so i got a question that i want a sorta-extensive answer to.

At what %s can you up or downthrow characters into the doc punch?

 

[Del Ici Ous]

DogySamich:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3611692370748778742

 

[the_air_up_there7]

Ok, so i got a question that i want a sorta-extensive answer to.

At what %s can you up or downthrow characters into the doc punch?

Sorry for not answering guys I haven't been using smashboards lately, around like 80% and above you should be able to send them off flying depending on what character are you fighting.

 

[the_air_up_there7]

is there any way to control dr marios pills?

No you can't. jeje, I thought you would know this.

 

[the_air_up_there7]

What do you use to SHBAWD? Control stick and A or C-Stick?

Also, when attempting to do Uair combos, is it better to L-Cancel and SHFFL them or is it bettter to just do it and not fastfall so you have zero lag when you hit the ground?

Still on that note, can you SHFF a Uair and still not have to L-Cancel it if you Uair after you short hop quick enough?

For PTP, how do you suggest I practice?

Jab combos and jab grabs. Do they only work on floatys? Can I, for example, jab grab a Falco (I know a jab smash doesn't work because the time between the second jab and the downsmash is too slow).

On that note as well, is it better to do one jab then combo or two. Does it vary? I was in a recent tournament and I noticed that on my second jab Marth would sometimes float behind me and I'd miss my downsmash or grab.

I basically have a simple understanding of these all, but might as well make use of this thread, you know?

It's better to shffl, I usually only use L-cancel when I do the punch because it kinda lags when it lands. Yes fastfall when you make aerial attacks. A good way of practicing with your combos or techniques is to play against different lv.1 characters and try to figure out combos that will work on them and use them. I like to do an up kick after I jab. Good luck!

 

[Kashakunaki]

...Okay, first let me say this:

Don't ever triple post again... or double post for that matter. Next time you do, I will come to Laredo Texas and break your knee caps myself.

Secondly... no offense, but this isn't a very helpful topic.

Dogysamich, I'd be more than happy to answer that question if I knew. What I'll do, if I remember, is when my friend's come over I'll make a list. Test all the percents and what not with characters and make an official table of percents and characters displaying when a Fair combo will and won't work.

However, just for now, I think you can Dthrow to short hop Fair around 160~180 with Fox and Falco.

 

[radical00edward]

No you can't. jeje, I thought you would know this.

i know, but my friend said you could, so i had to prove him wrong with knowlege from the general public..

 

[the_air_up_there7]

...Okay, first let me say this:

Don't ever triple post again... or double post for that matter. Next time you do, I will come to Laredo Texas and break your knee caps myself.

Secondly... no offense, but this isn't a very helpful topic.

Dogysamich, I'd be more than happy to answer that question if I knew. What I'll do, if I remember, is when my friend's come over I'll make a list. Test all the percents and what not with characters and make an official table of percents and characters displaying when a Fair combo will and won't work.

However, just for now, I think you can Dthrow to short hop Fair around 160~180 with Fox and Falco.

Sorry just trying my best here.

 

[Kashakunaki]

I know, I know. I'll help out, too. Though I'm not really pro or anything.

 

[Dogysamich]

eh, i started makin my own list, but its not specifically accurate, and i dunno exactly what im lookin for.

I've been studying for tests today, so i havent really gotten to sit down and mess with it like i wanted to. I'll try to tonight and see if i can come up with some useful stuff 2morrow.

. . . . . frickin wish my cpu wasnt broken. :/

--edit--
del, that video was good cause it had the chain throw %s, nice find.

 

[Kashakunaki]

Well, I'm just lazy or else I would've already done it.

But for your testing, this is the way I'd do it. Get my buddy to help me, for starters. Go into training and select Doc and then a computer as some character (Fox, for example). Then, I'd set the computer to human and set his percentage to a certain percent. Then I would down throw or up throw, depends on the character, and test to see when I when I can't hit them. You know, get a range. The fair combos are relative to the chaingrabs as well. Like Fox, for example. You can upthrow chain grab him until around 60 percent. By then, he can DI and jump out before he gets low enough to grab you, but that doesn't mean he can do that in the air. So slowly increase his percentage up until he can start to jump out higher than Doc can jump. Again, you've established a range. Just tinker with it a bit and you've got your percentages for when he can be faired and when he is too low or high to be faired.

That's how I'd do it.

 

[Dogysamich]

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Yeah, i get that, but i mean am i lookin for the registered combo or what?

Cause at low percent, you know you can get the hit off mistech that like 90% of the people dont tech (or atleast 90% of the people i play, it seems)

And then some of the ones that dont register as combos are ones that people dont/cant react to (the 70~100% range, or however high they can go and you can still reach)

 

[Bullet Bill]

I have a question

I'm new to all the advanced techniques and I play against aiko's fox who is a lot better than me. I was wandering what was the best approach? I usually pill then short hop pill which works well most of the time but I need to vary my approaches to not be predictable.

Thanks in advance

 

[Dogysamich]

Against a fox, I personally like to stay on the defensive end of things and let them come to me and try to catch them with a n.air, b.air , f.smash, u.smash(oos if needed), or grab, all where availible. If I approach one, I tend to use any aerial, dc'd downsmash, or try to land a grab. I personally dont like leading with pill rushes cause I have the worst luck, and my opponents attacks tend to go through the pill and crush me in the process. :/

 

[Kashakunaki]

Bullet Bill, this is what I recommend. Pill spam him to around 20%. From that point, mindgame him into a grab. Nair > Jab > Grab would be a good one. Chain throw him to around 55% and do one final up throw on him. Then follow his DI with a jump cancelled upsmash. After that I would recommend some Uair juggling. That'll rack the damage up on him hard. Then it is just a matter of getting him off the stage because it is easy after that. Your cape and bair will handle the rest.

As for general approachs, delayed Uairs, Nairs, wave smashes, and pills are good.

 

[Bullet Bill]

Those are some very good ideas Kashakunaki. Thanks a lot

 

[Kashakunaki]

^_^ No problem, buddy.