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He didn't 'start Judaism.' God created a people from him and they were given commands. He didn't just create a story and start Judaism. It stemmed from him, but it wasn't considered a religious movement at that time. He just served God. That's all.
Fixed, I typed it really poorly.
Those can, but the fact that the Jews were even in Egypt cannot also be proven.
ah sorry lol ^^
I did not know that. But my uncle is a born again and so I have really long debates with him sometimes. But even he doesn't refute the age of the earth and evolution because you can't refute it. Anyone who says radiological dating is incorrect, you are wrong.
Quote from Genesis:i'm not sure why people make such a deal out of being against evolution anyways
it doesn't have anything to do with how meaningful you are or even how god interacts with the world...
it wasn't even said in the bible if you are trying to rely on that...
it was said by some guy thousands of years after the bible who decided to estimate the ages of how long each of the sons and everything of adam lived and guess the age of the world...
to me its pretty obvious evolution exists...
This says that God essentially created flowering plants a few days after creating the earth, and yet... according to evolution, they sprung up 100 million years ago (roughly, just an extremely rough rounded to nearest 100 million years estimate but its moderately close) while the earth was 4.6 Billion years ago, so it further contradicts creationism.
Yeah, but the message is way outdated. Much of Leviticus was rules to help protect people and protect human kind but the fact is that gay marriage was frowned upon in Leviticus and later on (I hope I didn't confuse it for another book) because it was viewed as a choice and stopped them from procreating, which was very important then but now we are almost overpopulated... And the rules for Kosher were there to protect people from parasites, but with modern cooking, some of those rules can be laxed. These rules are more than 2000 years old, and yet the Church doesn't have a very progressive view on them that is required for current life.
God gets a lot more patient when everyone of his chosen people become sinners, so don't worry that much. And I mean everyone but Elijah even guys like King David and Solomon and Moses and Aaron were terrible sinners at some point or another. But that was later on.I sense another religion, Bible for and against thread here...
Anyhow, I have read 6 books in all since I used to be christian and would read every night.
I read the first four from the New Testament, that I'm sure of, but I'm not sure if I finished Acts or not.
Anyways, after that, I read Genesis and Exodus.
After reading those two, I kinda stopped, read debates about the subject, and stop being Christian. Lol. Aside from those though, I have read random passages from the Bible because of church, lol.
As for interpretations, meh, I didn't really do that so much. I thought of the lessons, but the ideas of killing certain people because they "did something wrong against God" kind of made me uneasy. =/ I guess it was just the doubt from my mind blossoming.
NO i didn't misread it but you did. He said that the evidence of generations says that the earth is "6000 yearsold". If it took billions of years to make would it not be billions of years old? I gave an explanation for why the earth isn't 6000 years old in my first post. I just said that the first verse in the bible proves that the earth wasn't made in 6000 years. That doesn't even make any sense really to say that. It says "in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" It doesn't say anything about how long it took. It then says that the surface of the earth was formless and waste, So the earth as a whole had already been created and in existence, however the elements the atmosphere etc had yet to be created on the earth to sustain life, and thus you have the creative periods which create everything need to sustain life and then life itself.
Also based on the numbers generations lifespans etc suggests that human history has been 6000 years which is true. We completed 6000 years of "human history" in the 1900s. Humans haven't been around as long as the earth.
But the time scale even then is very far off. If you say the first 7 days took up until 6,000 years ago of human history, then you are very wrong. It says flowering plants were created before the moon and the sun in Genesis, which is obviously false because the sun and moon have been around for more than roughly 100 million years:
And humans have more than 6,000 years of history, we left Africa roughly 100,000 years ago. Your argument is lacking at best.
I recommend reading Job, because it is a very sad book and although with the New Testament it says that you do not have to be perfect to get into heaven (because no one is, Job is God's most faithful disciple and Satan says he can turn Job to hating God if he can have the opportunity to essentially torture him, killing almost everything in his life, and Job ends up cursing God), but it really shows the cruelty of God because he sees his people suffering and he lets someone just commit more. He isn't all powerful or he isn't a kind loving God because either he:
it never said how far into the beginning. earth could have been created thousands of years after the heavens
Right, but in terms of earth history, the Bible has a very lacking and incorrect explanation of it.
Exactly. And even from the generalizations we can see that the Bible contradicts science which is based on reason. I.e., flowering plants were not created before the Sun and Moon.
No It isn't proven that humans have more than 6000 years of human history, that is theory, infact that is the theory of evolution which the bible obviously doesn't support. And no i'm not suggesting that humans were around as long as the creative days. I clearly said (as according to the bible) humans have completed 6000 years of human history. This began towards the end of the 6th day of creation. The 6th and not the first. In my argument i stated that each day could have been upwards of 6000 years long if not possibly longer. Please read what I said again. I'm arguing that the creation life on the earth is longer than 6000 years. And the creation of the earth itself was even longer than that because the bible doesn't give an amount of time on how long it took God to create the "earth" we aren't talking about life just the "earth". It may have been billions of years. Life however, plants, animals such as birds and the land animals, according to my argument is much more than 6000 years based on what other scriptures indicate.
Yes, but the message is at many points conflicting and confusing. There are also many completely random rules, like the part (in leviticus?) about shellfish being bad.
I looked at several other articles and the majority of them place the sumerians around 4000-3000 B.C.E. The only ones that suggested before 4000 B.C.E were the ones you posted above, so there are some inconsistencies there. It's interesting that in a number of the articles I read there were very similar stories to the flood of Noah's Day. I'll have to look at some books on their civilization in my next visit to the library to see exactly when the sumerians are dated because clearly there are differences in the many articles on the net.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer
Read the second Paragraph.
5,300 BC. Look at the history, first part of their history is 5,300 BC-4,100 BC. All would predate the 6,000 year thing.
See, the thing is, that article that you read starts talking about when they start building CITIES, not when they settled and stuff. =/
http://home.cfl.rr.com/crossland/An...e_East_Civilizations/Sumerians/sumerians.html
About 4,000 years ago. This can be used for either side of the 6,000 year thing though. =/
http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/ch01.htm
7,000 BCE here. =/ Hard to say anything about that, lol.
Now, let's go on to another point about why the 6,000 year thing obviously isn't true.
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/benton.html
Carbon dating people.
I'll agree with you that it's not conclusive for either side, although the first page of google shows 5 websites that says it's before 4000 BCE, 4 that says it's After 4000 BCE, and 1 that said they started writing around 3000 BCE(uh, meaning it's a neither).
I'll agree with you that it's not conclusive for either side, although the first page of google shows 5 websites that says it's before 4000 BCE, 4 that says it's After 4000 BCE, and 1 that said they started writing around 3000 BCE(uh, meaning it's a neither).
Of course, they started settling before 4000 BCE and they definitely existed before 4000 BCE as most of the sites saying they were after 4000 BCE really said they just created cities after 4000 BCE.
