Who else is nervous about Brawl potentially sucking?

[Johnknight1]

The random discussion started with me saying I dislike Pot....

And yes, I'd love to record that, I can see it now. But it depends on how the jump is.

1) You do an aerial attack [any], and when you press X/Y as soon as your attack connects you can jump on your enemy at the same time back to the stage.

2) If you press X when you make contact you land on the enemy, and from there you can do a spike.

I like 1 better, more versatile, and has more use. And more probability of failure, I lke it, prevents people from being stupid.

And the crying was from a bunch of idiots. Why would they even cry, what were their arguments [I know they were scrubs, but what did they say], I didn't particularly like the idea at first [resistant to change], but I'd rather see it in action, could very well benefit my Main and deepen the game.

Even if all the techs were easy, there would be so many of them that the game is still difficult, just mentally.

I think it could useful for many things. Imagine you randomly hit your opponent with a side smash, and trying to recover. You stand near the edge, as they do their uB, in which they would land right by you. They press uB and complete the jump, and BAM! Stoolhop Jump, and they're flying down and get KO'd. Things like that could really make it a useful technique to say the least.

And like I said....scrubs. Scrubs from 4chan and Nsiders are the worst, gotta love hating them!

And something tells me we'll get a insane amount of techs, most being easy. But we'll still have relatively harder to use/time techs like WD, L-cancelling, Z-cancelling, "DO A BARREL ROLL!", etc. Something tells me Brawl is going to be one hell of a good time, just like the last two smashes. Minus the annoying people when playing online.

Also, what do you guys think about crawling/getting into the crawling position in Brawl=???

I think it could also be very useful, and that's just going into the crawling position. Imagine someone attempting a uAtilt on you, you go into the crawl position [thus dodging it], and use your dAtilt. I think little things like that could make the gameplay a lot more intresting, as well as change the gameplay formula from the previous 2 SSB entres and how it will be played.

 

[Superstar]

But still, you have to agree that the first option is more fun, doing a footstool jump at the second an aerial attack connects, or why not both, even better.

And crawling, I dunno. It seems for the most part useless unless its accompanied by other stuff, like certain crawling attacks [an uptilt while crawling]. We need to see that more, oh, and getting past missle spam [though I would dair them or shoot a homing missle if they tried that...]

 

[Sugoi]

I admitt I had some douts awhile back but after seeing all these great upgrades and such they are bringing to Brawl no way its going to suck.

 

[Mr.GAW]

I'm sure there will be advanced techs that have to do with crawling.

And I have O D I N working on a GH3 sig for me. I can't wait! (Not to steal your thunder, Superstar.)

 

[Joe Soup]

Hey Supe, like the sig.

And ODIN's supposedly still working on mine, too....

He sure has a lot of requests. >_<

 

[Mr.GAW]

Again I ask:

WHERE TEH BLOODY HELL IS TEH SENSAI?

Seriously, I get all depressed when he's not around.

But don't go questioning my sexuality now.

 

[Joe Soup]

Sensai posts in spurts. He's really random. Like this thread.

And I never said anything about your sexuality. I know what you mean--I get bored when certain people don't post too.

 

[Mr.GAW]

I wasn't accusing you of calling me gay. I was just saing generally, and jokingly, not to go thinking I'm not straight because of my comment. Whatever, I'm glad I'm not the only one.

/awkward weird misunderstandings

 

[Johnknight1]

But still, you have to agree that the first option is more fun, doing a footstool jump at the second an aerial attack connects, or why not both, even better.

And crawling, I dunno. It seems for the most part useless unless its accompanied by other stuff, like certain crawling attacks [an uptilt while crawling]. We need to see that more, oh, and getting past missle spam [though I would dair them or shoot a homing missle if they tried that...]

I think generally in closer combat it could be very useful. That's just the crawling position, it could also make teams better [ie: dodge your teammates attacks easier, IDK why I just thought of that], add a new way to dodge/avoid attacks, and add more options to the game. As for crawling, I pray it's like the MGS crawling position. That being said, I mean like you can roll into and out of it...that would make it for easy [dodging] access.

First option is the best, but to be honest, I think there will be more options. Also, I think it could change the jumping/mid-air combat engine a lot more drastically than you think. Both is best, but let's have more, as I think that's what we're getting. I think it could make aerial combat/recovery combat a much bigger and more important part of SSB's gameplay. Definitely a huge step in the right direction, judging by how well Sakurai has done this stuff [aka random, ingenious stuff] in the past.

And no Sensai....man where is he=???=we want him back. I think he'd be happy to know Mr. GAW and I miss him. But didn't he post here like a 1 or a 1 1/2 weeks ago or something like that=???

 

[Mr.GAW]

Well, Dylan said he was on a medical mission the first time he was gone like this. Who knows where he is now.

Hey, is it possible for me to play him in strikers? Even though I'm U.S.?

 

[Joe Soup]

Sensai doesn't live in the US?

Where does he live? England?

 

[Mr.GAW]

I....I think so.

Well, I always thought that, at least. Dunno for sure.

I remember him getting strikers early and playing it with his U.K. friends.

 

[Red Exodus]

Last I heard Sensai went on a vacation. I remember him saying something like 'I need to get sleep, I think I'll turn my phone off for a change, see ya when I get back'.

That was a while ago though. I call dibs on Sensai's wii.

 

[Joe Soup]

Wow. He actually decided to turn his cell off this time.

Good man.

 

[Y34HDUD3!!!]

Mr. GAW, do you have Strikers?

If yes:

I challenge you to SOCCER!!!

 

[princeshadow13]

I doth believe this is considered an epic post at the current moment.



Anyways, as for Brawl potentially "Sucking", I believe it couldn't be further from the truth.
Now, from how I see it, they're trying to improve upon a formula for their rather unique fighting system. The easiest way to do so is to add in a few items, characters, stages, and mechanics.
As for the whole "No items, Final destination, gamecube controllers, wave-dashing only" rules, I have to say that...



Well, that it's the most inane thing that I've ever heard, and I've gone through /b/ and back.
I mean, you say that you use strategy to beat your opponents, but what you really do is force yourself into a routine, where you just pummel the other into submission.
Now, that's the most basic form of strategy, but for true players(as in those who can understand the somehow complex concept of "Having Fun"), you have to be quick on your toes and be able to adapt to the new terrains and new arsenals.
That way you can devise new methods of winning, and break out of that boring little rut you've forced yourself into.

Now, I may be out of practice in the game, but I bet that even without the aide of your so-called "Wave-dashing", which from what I've heard was an easily exploitable glitch in the game(like that Missingno from the first pokemon game).

So, you sir, need to get a life, and stop watching Dragon Ball Z, it rots your mind faster than One-piece will.
<.<
>.>
But studies have shown that Bobobo-bo-bobobo has no effect on the mind, other than a slight case of the sillies.


















Wow, I sound like the arrogant little punk, don't I?
Heh heh heh...
Well, I'm allowed to do so because I still retain a rare commodity known as "Common Sense".
And the ability to go on forever.

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

I doth believe this is considered an epic post at the current moment.



Anyways, as for Brawl potentially "Sucking", I believe it couldn't be further from the truth.
Now, from how I see it, they're trying to improve upon a formula for their rather unique fighting system. The easiest way to do so is to add in a few items, characters, stages, and mechanics.
As for the whole "No items, Final destination, gamecube controllers, wave-dashing only" rules, I have to say that...



Well, that it's the most inane thing that I've ever heard, and I've gone through /b/ and back.
I mean, you say that you use strategy to beat your opponents, but what you really do is force yourself into a routine, where you just pummel the other into submission.
Now, that's the most basic form of strategy, but for true players(as in those who can understand the somehow complex concept of "Having Fun"), you have to be quick on your toes and be able to adapt to the new terrains and new arsenals.
That way you can devise new methods of winning, and break out of that boring little rut you've forced yourself into.

Now, I may be out of practice in the game, but I bet that even without the aide of your so-called "Wave-dashing", which from what I've heard was an easily exploitable glitch in the game(like that Missingno from the first pokemon game).

So, you sir, need to get a life, and stop watching Dragon Ball Z, it rots your mind faster than One-piece will.
<.<
>.>
But studies have shown that Bobobo-bo-bobobo has no effect on the mind, other than a slight case of the sillies.


















Wow, I sound like the arrogant little punk, don't I?
Heh heh heh...
Well, I'm allowed to do so because I still retain a rare commodity known as "Common Sense".
And the ability to go on forever.

You watch BoBoBo Bo BoBoBo? No wonder...that explains everything....

EDIT: This is a very quick way to get flamed on this forum BTW. Prepare to be toasty...(not by me, I just try to keep the flaming down to a minimum. And not everyone here watches DBZ. In fact, it is often made fun of on this thread.)

 

[princeshadow13]

You watch BoBoBo Bo BoBoBo? No wonder...that explains everything....

Oh come on, that show is probably the best thing on Toonami since they got rid of MAR and Zatch Bell...

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

Oh come on, that show is probably the best thing on Toonami since they got rid of MAR and Zatch Bell...

I stand by my statement. That show makes about as much sense as an underwater screen door.

 

[princeshadow13]

I stand by my statement. That show makes about as much sense as an underwater screen door.

That's because most of the shows that it's making fun of never got translated or put on American/European television.

 

[Adi]

I doth believe this is considered an epic post at the current moment.



Anyways, as for Brawl potentially "Sucking", I believe it couldn't be further from the truth.
Now, from how I see it, they're trying to improve upon a formula for their rather unique fighting system. The easiest way to do so is to add in a few items, characters, stages, and mechanics.
As for the whole "No items, Final destination, gamecube controllers, wave-dashing only" rules, I have to say that...



Well, that it's the most inane thing that I've ever heard, and I've gone through /b/ and back.
I mean, you say that you use strategy to beat your opponents, but what you really do is force yourself into a routine, where you just pummel the other into submission.
Now, that's the most basic form of strategy, but for true players(as in those who can understand the somehow complex concept of "Having Fun"), you have to be quick on your toes and be able to adapt to the new terrains and new arsenals.
That way you can devise new methods of winning, and break out of that boring little rut you've forced yourself into.

Now, I may be out of practice in the game, but I bet that even without the aide of your so-called "Wave-dashing", which from what I've heard was an easily exploitable glitch in the game(like that Missingno from the first pokemon game).

Shut up.

No seriously, you have no idea what you're talking about, leave and don't spout this crap out of your *** again.

 

[psicicle]

As for the whole "No items, Final destination, gamecube controllers, wave-dashing only" rules, I have to say that...

what is "wave-dashing only"?

How do you play without gamecube controllers?

There are 14 tourney playable stages

Well, that it's the most inane thing that I've ever heard, and I've gone through /b/ and back.
I mean, you say that you use strategy to beat your opponents, but what you really do is force yourself into a routine, where you just pummel the other into submission.
Now, that's the most basic form of strategy, but for true players(as in those who can understand the somehow complex concept of "Having Fun"), you have to be quick on your toes and be able to adapt to the new terrains and new arsenals.
That way you can devise new methods of winning, and break out of that boring little rut you've forced yourself into.

Bolded: I never realized that I was a... false player? Or fake player? What do you call people who aren't true players, and why is your arbitrary definition neccessarily correct.

Pokemon stadium is playable and is considered neutral, which defeats the point after the bolded part.

And has it occurred to your self proclaimed common sense retaining mind that apparently has a rare but common sense that people play this game competitively to have fun?

If you lose, you are going to change something to try to win, so players don't do some routine.

Now, I may be out of practice in the game, but I bet that even without the aide of your so-called "Wave-dashing", which from what I've heard was an easily exploitable glitch in the game(like that Missingno from the first pokemon game).

This isn't even a sentence, aid is spelled without an E, why is wavedashing "so-called".

Well, I'm allowed to do so because I still retain a rare commodity known as "Common Sense".

And here is the assertion that common sense is rare and somehow people begin with it and then lose it... which seems like a strange assertion because you can't really prove it one way or another because common sense is subjective.

 

[princeshadow13]

For the record, that little rant was aimed at the creator of this thread.


As for the Aide bit, I have a little trouble differing between that and it's e-less cousin.

 

[Johnknight1]

I doth believe this is considered an epic post at the current moment.

Anyways, as for Brawl potentially "Sucking", I believe it couldn't be further from the truth.
Now, from how I see it, they're trying to improve upon a formula for their rather unique fighting system. The easiest way to do so is to add in a few items, characters, stages, and mechanics.
As for the whole "No items, Final destination, gamecube controllers, wave-dashing only" rules, I have to say that...

Wait, so there is a control scheme for SSBM outside the Gamecube controller=??? Where did you get this from, the same people who started the WW Link, Bowser Jr., and Ridley are confirmed in Braw=???

Well, that it's the most inane thing that I've ever heard, and I've gone through /b/ and back.
I mean, you say that you use strategy to beat your opponents, but what you really do is force yourself into a routine, where you just pummel the other into submission.
Now, that's the most basic form of strategy, but for true players(as in those who can understand the somehow complex concept of "Having Fun"), you have to be quick on your toes and be able to adapt to the new terrains and new arsenals.
That way you can devise new methods of winning, and break out of that boring little rut you've forced yourself into.

Routine, you gotta be joking. What we do is prepare routines, but we are also quick to act on our feet. I'm not the best at smash, but that is dumb. Saying we don't have fun is simply put retarted. Saying we're not having fun is probably one of the most retarted and ill informed things I've ever heard.

Besides, did Tnga anywhere say you HAVE TO PLAY WITH ITEMS=??? In fact, Tnga likes certain items in SSB64, and will play anyone w/t or w/o items. If we don't have ANY fun, then how come we play smash a lot, love to talk about it, and discuss it here on the SWF=???

Now, I may be out of practice in the game, but I bet that even without the aide of your so-called "Wave-dashing", which from what I've heard was an easily exploitable glitch in the game(like that Missingno from the first pokemon game).

Well your sources are retarted.Wavedashing isn't a "glitch", it is a result of an in game air dodging engine. It was discovered, but kept in due to lack of time; and guess wat: it helped the game. A glitch is the black hole. If we really have "no fun" playing smash, how come the toureny and competitive scene is one of the biggest console game scenes, almost everyone has fun, and the game still remains intense.

Get your facts straight before you assume things you have absolutely no clue about. We're the real players, since we reconize and don't hate the less experienced fanbase, and actually aren't completely blinded by pointless ingnorance.

So, you sir, need to get a life, and stop watching Dragon Ball Z, it rots your mind faster than One-piece will.

Seriously, Tnga doesn't even like DBZ, it was just his avatar [he changed it to Fox anyways]. Hell, judging someone by their avatar, another sign of your judgmentalism, like we don't have fun, or are "true smashers". Truth is that everyone who plays the game fairly is a True Smasher, whether they are playing smash for their first time, or are as near as good or are Ken.

Stop judging people by their avatars, and stop basically saying we're tourneytards. Hope you know most of the basic posters play somewat competitively in some way shape or form, so basically you're insulting about...so I'd say 10,000 users on up.

Wow, I sound like the arrogant little punk, don't I?
Heh heh heh...
Well, I'm allowed to do so because I still retain a rare commodity known as "Common Sense".
And the ability to go on forever.

You're judging someone by a post 6 months ago on a whole diffrent subject=pathetic. Seriously, the closest thing to "common sense" you have is when you stop talking.

 

[psicicle]

If I can read it correctly... the chinese in the GTFO sign actually says fantastic or very good door/exit/mouth?

Anyway, back to on-topic off-topicness, something about kingdom hearts. But I never played that, oh well. I heard it's good though.

 

[Johnknight1]

It's pretty darn good, I have KH I and II, and I've beaten both like 10 times...great games. It
s a good game [minus the somewat lame story], but the gameplay is absolutely incredible. Great game engine, and I can't wait for a 3rd one=going to pwn!

I definitely suggest trying it, it's definitely a cult classic, and both KH I and II are some of the best games on the PS2, 6th gen of gaming, and of all-time even. Definitely worth checking out. Still working on Devil May Cry 3 though, as well as Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake EAter [for a 4th time=that game seriously kicks soooo much a** on sooo many levels]. I love buying NEW games for $7!

 

[enigmaglue]

From what I can see so far, it'll be just an update of graphics with new items and characters. It wil, of course, be different, but I think that it'll retain the Smash gamestyly that has made this series sp popular.

 

[Blackshadow]

And psicicle owns princeshadow in this thread too

 

[mada234]

378 pages....wow...im gonna have a time catching up on this...

 

[Red Exodus]

Prince, I suggest you read more than the first page. Maybe check some other page around the 200 mark, make sure it isn't off-topic so that when you post you know more than what's on the first page and you don't get as much heat as you did now. I disagree with you but I think you got enough heat already so I won't bother you.

Oh course, if you refuse to take my advise you'll see what you got eariler 3x. Not from me but just about everybody who visits this thread regularly.

 

[The Brawler]

My opinion.

You have a strong point and I also do agree with you that a great game that i have not been playing more than 1 Month wich i have gotten so much fun out of will never die. N just cause i have only played for about a month does not mean i'm a noob i play with no items and use tactics such as wavedashing and rate people on this site. I do hope your right though and tournaments will still be held for Melee because i have been dieing to enter one.

 

[Adi]

1 Month, and already wavedashing eh? That's impressive =0

 

[Superstar]

I started wavedashing after about a week of learning it, I couldn't use it right until after 1month+, but that's besides the point.

And Mr G&W and Johnknight, enjoy your new siggies, and hope they are excellent.

And I hate G&W, there is just something about him, high priority, low startup, no ending lag, long hit duration and spammable d-tilt. The only way to truely beat him is to trick him into use a move, and hit from another side. Its not that G&W is hard or strong, is that I use a punisher strat, so its annoying. -_-

 

[Adi]

Yeah I feel the same way when I'm a Marth fighting a Sheik, although I hardly do that matchup anymore since I switched to falco, now I shine combo the ***** ;D

 

[Takeshi245]

Wow. A lot of people seem to not like Shiek that much when going up against her, especially Mario players.

 

[Superstar]

Oops, I said up-tilt, its G&W's d-tilt that is annoying, and then that annoying BLEEP!!!!

I tried Falco, didn't like him. I like Fox more, just more awesome. And I never fought a SHiek, my brother just picks G&W to annoy me [I still beat him, but still].

Now to get some gameplay videos of the footfungus jump, I want to see it in action...

 

[Drascin]

Oops, I said up-tilt, its G&W's d-tilt that is annoying, and then that annoying BLEEP!!!!

I tried Falco, didn't like him. I like Fox more, just more awesome. And I never fought a SHiek, my brother just picks G&W to annoy me [I still beat him, but still].

Now to get some gameplay videos of the footfungus jump, I want to see it in action...

Footfungus jump? I had never heard of that technique, or at least named that. Mind explaining?

 

[Superstar]

Of course, the footfungus jump is when you put your stinky moldy feets on your rival's head to make them feel better. Isn't it obvious?

It has strategic uses, like making your opponent reel over and barf.

 

[Takeshi245]

Of course, the footfungus jump is when you put your stinky moldy feets on your rival's head to make them feel better. Isn't it obvious?

It has strategic uses, like making your opponent reel over and barf.

Didn't think you would do something like that.

 

[Drascin]

Of course, the footfungus jump is when you put your stinky moldy feets on your rival's head to make them feel better. Isn't it obvious?

It has strategic uses, like making your opponent reel over and barf.

Well, it'd get me stunned alright. Yuck.