Who agrees that Melee>Brawl? (more inside)

[56Ace]

Wow just play melee then while everyone else enjoys brawl,we really don't care what you think is better.

 

[Zeldar2992]

Okay people, let's all just get something straight here: Brawl is meant for Melee people who are ready for new content, and also Brawl is meant to get newcomers along with the Melee pros. Of course the play will be different because IT'S NOT THE SAME GAME! Also, newcomers don't know (or really care) about wave dashing etc. They just want to play with their favorite character and beat the crap out of their friends and family. SSB64 was the start of an era. Melee continued the legacy. Brawl will rule the world. Brawl is a great game. Adventure mode is much more fun and challenging as well. Multiplayer combat is fun as well. Melee gave birth to the more improved adventured mode and other aspects of Brawl. Melee is an excellent game. Brawl is an excellent game. As with any game, they have their faults and things people don't like. But you shouldn't say Melee is a better game just because you had your "awesome advanced techniques." Brawl wins easily, because almost anyone can learn to play, anyone can win with the aid of a final smash, and because it emphasizes on playing with people in any mode, not just leave yourself alone in a dark room smashing the crap out of level 9 cps. EDIT: If you hate brawl so much, go play melee and leave us people who like brawl to play it and cut the critisism. Honestly, Brawl is still competitive. Let's see what's competetive about Melee: Pokeballs and other players. Brawl: Pokeballs, Assit Trophies, SMASH BALL!!, other players.

 

[Giga Hand]

lol, silly nub. you have no idea; i'm shocked by your ignorance. never talk about melee when you don't understand it in the least bit; trust me, i'll four stock you without breaking a sweat. and, just like the bully you had in the 3rd grade, i'll beat your *** too.

You're shocked by his 'ignorance' and I'm shocked by yours. There are 3 things wrong with your post.

1. Back your statement. Right now it doesn't make sense.
2. He has probably been playing Melee for years. If anything, he'll four stock you.
3. You spelled 'n00b' wrong, n00b.

 

[TamOtter]

The part of this flame war that I find most galling isn't that it's turning into a religious war, but that people are automatically assuming that people new here don't know how Melee was played.

That's probably the most insulting thing that I've ever heard here. If you haven't met these people, have never played them, and know that they like a different game, exactly where do you get the ability to assume their Melee knowledge?

You may be right, in some cases. You may be wrong, in some cases.

Hey, I play casual Magic. I've played in a few local FNMs, and hit up a Regionals or two. I'm mostly playing with friends at their houses, though. By your logic, I know absolutely nothing about how tournament Magic is played, despite reading articles, going over decklists, and spending countless hours studying rules documents, judging, and organizing tournaments.

See the problem with the argument? It just doesn't make any sense. Without knowing about what the person has done with their Smash time, you really don't have room to comment.

Came here hearing how tight-knit and friendly the Smash community is. Such a shame.

 

[D20]

Came here hearing how tight-knit and friendly the Smash community is. Such a shame.

The "real" community is tight-knit and friendly. To find it, just head to your respective regional forum. For me, it's the North Atlantic forum. Anyhow, through those threads, I have met some of the best players in the nation and some of my best IRL friends. It is more than worth a look.

 

[Toadster5]

Came here hearing how tight-knit and friendly the Smash community is. Such a shame.

It was like that. Then Brawl came.

 

[TamOtter]

Which is exactly my point. It's a game. Yes, it's played for money, but it's still a game. Do you see ANYONE else in any other title's community acting like this?

Professionalism isn't just for the tournament stage, people.

 

[Demon Kirby]

It was like that. Then Brawl came.

Sigh . . .

You make these boards seem depressing, which they kind of are, really.

 

[Patinator]

I hate to enter this completely important flame war, and thus I won't, and will only state my opinion.

I love Brawl more than Melee, and yes I played Melee in a competitive fashion. To me, Melee got boring after about five matches. For four days straight, I've been playing over nine hours of Brawl. Super Mario Galaxy is currently gathering dust on it's case.

Why people bash Brawl just because it's slower, I don't know. Actually, I do: they're upset that it takes them about ten seconds longer to defeat an opponent or win money in a tournament.

Sure, Melee has more advanced techniques/exploits. But there's just some odd appeal Brawl has; I smile every time I start it up.

Brawl's slower, but that means more people can play. Which is good, since being good at a game shouldn't really mean you have to be able to press three buttons in one sixth of a second. As was my case with Wavedashing.

But if you like Melee better, that's perfectly fine; I'm not here to force my opinion, merely state it. But I will say this, hopefully making some of you twitch in agony, as is my second favorite activity:

To continue your Smash career in the funnest way possible to you, you'll be playing Melee for seven more years minimum. Enjoy.

 

[brawlpro]

Brawl is boring compared to melee. I've noticed most people saying brawl>melee are people with recent join dates who didn't experience melee the same way as people who say otherwise.

 

[Toadster5]

Sigh . . .

You make these boards seem depressing, which they kind of are, really.

Well it's true. The community, for the most part, was in agreement that Melee was a great competitive game. Those who disagreed, or didn't care, didn't even come here. Now that a discrepancy has arisen, the conflicting viewpoints are becoming obvious. Hostility is to be expected when a disagreement as large as the one at hand shows itself.

 

[Dante X]

I've played Melee off and on since it came out and, after playing Brawl at a friend's house for a few days, I feel that Brawl is a better game in my opinion. But everyone's entitled to their own, so guess I'll just leave it at that.

 

[Demon Kirby]

Brawl is boring compared to melee. I've noticed most people saying brawl>melee are people with recent join dates who didn't experience melee the same way as people who say otherwise.

I just wated to point out your name and join date.

Sorta ironic, really.

Edit: @Toadster5: I can imagine what this place was like before Brawl was announced. Definitely better than it is now, to be sure.

I wonder if this argument will ever die . . .

 

[Hitzel]

In general, depth and balance contradict each other in videogames. If you want to balance everything, you (as a developer) can't really allow for more possibilities farther into the game than you can see yourself, otherwise there's a good chance something you didn't understand or expect will come into play and favor one character/weapon/class/whatever over the rest. To prevent that from happening, you have to limit what a player can do. It's tricky stuff.

You could say that if a developer truly balances a game, the game can only be as deep as his or her skill level. A good example is Shadowrun. Professional Halo, Counter Strike, and Quake players were on the development team and tested the game internally. The game is both balanced and in depth because the people doing the balancing were skilled gamers.

 

[brawlpro]

I just wated to point out your name and join date.

Right so 8 months is recent, and even if you think it is, I'd like to point out I said "most people." And if you had done the math by looking at my join date you would realize the name was obviously created before I had played brawl hoping it would be amazing.

By the way don't get me wrong from my earlier post, brawl's fun, just not compared to melee imo.

 

[Demon Kirby]

Right so 8 months is recent, and even if you think it is, I'd like to point out I said "most people." And if you had done the math by looking at my join date you would realize the name was obviously created before I had played brawl foo.

I consider it recent-ish for this board.

And I know what you mean. I'm not blind. It's still kind of awkward, though.

 

[Patinator]

Err... Join date doesn't mean anything, as many people have pointed out at some time or another. Ken's account was, at one time, only a day old y'know. XD

Brawlpro, your name is kinda funny considering your statement.

 

[brawlpro]

Err... Join date doesn't mean anything,

Yes, it does.

Ken's account was, at one time, only a day old y'know. XD

And I'm sure after his join date in 02 he got mad better by going to tournaments through smashboards and I'm sure he got known more by his posts.

Brawlpro, your name is kinda funny considering your statement.

I know, lol at it, nothing happens.

 

[LouisLeGros]

I think melee supporters need to simply accept that brawl is going to be the main game among the smash bros community and it is where nearly everyone is going to be playing. It is sort of a band wagon effect that doesn't really take a games attributes that contribute to competitivness into consideration.

I think brawl is great from friends gathering together and wanting to have fun. However, I don't think that if brawl were released in 2001 that it would be able to create a community like the one that smash currently has today.

 

[Darkslash]

Ya know i wonder if Ike brought in Ragnell in this discussion

any ways

IMO: Brawl is better than Melee. I haven't had this fun from getting beat in a match

 

[hbrtmran]

i remember thinking that too! but after a while your reflexes seem to adapt it's really no different than melee except that i feel that the sky is shorter making it easier to die upwards

 

[Corigames]

Brawl is way better.

Brawl is more fun to play, more to collect (I loved collecting trophies in Melee), Awesome story mode, TONS of amazing music and more.

Overall, Brawl>Melee.

And see, that's your opinion. Honestly, as it stands right now, I think that Melee was a better game. Looking back at the times I played Melee, the most fun I had was the times I spent at tournaments competing against the great players. That was a blast hanging out, talking strategy, learning new stuff. I can't find a better way to sum up my feelings of Melee than the AZ crew holding down smash against SoCal. So much fun.

Then here comes Brawl, and they are talking about how non-competitive it is and how near impossible it is to do anything! It struck me in the heart like an arrow; it was horrible! So, I got to play it at GDC and everything that people said about it was true. I felt abandoned by the developers. "Why are they catering to those ****ed casuals? Why the **** is there tripping? That's not fun!" But, I didn't take into consideration that that was ME! I liked Melee for the competitive aspect where as most people enjoyed playing temple in big mode with bunny ears and bob-ombs.

Personally, I would much rather play Melee. Everyone knows what to do, it's semi-balanced, and it's fun to **** around AND be serious on. To me, I can't have fun with Brawl in a one-on-one, even if I am winning. But, I think as people find more and more things that you can do with Brawl, I may come to like it more. I don't know.

EDIT: WTF?

I've pulled off some decent combos. With dedede I did a down air, to up air, to forward air. yeah, only a 3 hit combo, but that 3 hit combo racked up a good amount of percent. A lot more than a 3 hit combo in melee could.

Sorry, we must be talking about two different melee's. Because, the Melee I know, a Gannon can get someone pretty **** high in 3 hits, as well with Marth, Falcon, Peach (When she pulls items or stich face), and jesus, even Bowser has some good ones. Not to say that your auto chain grabs with Dedede wasn't impressive, espcially since you had to press that Z button three times to pull of that "high damage combo," but there were good hits in melee.

 

[SinMuffin]

While i agree melee is better for the competitiveness, and that alot of that characters in brawl got downgraded *looks at marth and falco*, brawl is still PIMP S**T BEAST.
and if you like the way melee plays more than brawl (as i do) then here is the solution: Get a gc controller, play Samoos, Nester, or Pikachu (they all 3 for the most part play as their melee counterparts) samus and ness are floaty in melee, and its always fun to land ness' christmas card on an unsuspecting human player lmao
and whats this about no comboing? >.> as i said, samus is close enough to her melee self to pull awesome combos off (hugs combo ftw!) and metaknight and squirtle are great with comboes as well.

 

[Brawler1432]

I'll reiterate this :

WHat is the point of coming here and ruining our forum space with this. Play Melee, or whatever but don't come herre and complain.

 

[Corigames]

While i agree melee is better for the competitiveness, and that alot of that characters in brawl got downgraded *looks at marth and falco*, brawl is still PIMP S**T BEAST.
and if you like the way melee plays more than brawl (as i do) then here is the solution: Get a gc controller, play Samoos, Nester, or Pikachu (they all 3 for the most part play as their melee counterparts) samus and ness are floaty in melee... ...as i said, samus is close enough to her melee self to pull awesome combos off (hugs combo ftw!)

WHAT?! Samus plays NOTHING like she did in melee. That`s another reason why I hate brawl, i just didn't mention it because it was a character specific qualm of mine.

Samus in Brawl has very very little in common with melee aside from the looks of her animations.
(will type more when not on a wii)

 

[Rusty Shacklefurd]

Unchanged char=Marth. And even he changed a little.

 

[Norm]

Eh i like brawl more than melee i got used to the different physics in no time and when i did the game is fantastic play the game more get used to the differences and you'll enjoy it more.

 

[PhoenixWiight]

so the game sucks because you suck at it?
ya, if you use that logic, every game will suck then

 

[6footninja]

well that's rather shallow

Its hard NOT to seem shallow in an argument like this, and over the internet as well. And, if you haven't noticed, this community doesn't agree that often on the "Brawl or Melee" argument. Seriously, this thread is just ridiculous after a couple pages. Like hearing a 2 year old say the only word it knows over and over and over. Its just stupid.

 

[6footninja]

so the game sucks because you suck at it?
ya, if you use that logic, every game will suck then

Very good point.

 

[PhoenixWiight]

Its hard NOT to seem shallow in an argument like this, and over the internet as well. And, if you haven't noticed, this community doesn't agree that often on the "Brawl or Melee" argument. Seriously, this thread is just ridiculous after a couple pages. Like hearing a 2 year old say the only word it knows over and over and over. Its just stupid.

ya i agree...
instead of rebelling against something obviosly good why don't you try to like it? and if you dont want to do that, then like, dont make posts like this, because everyone here obviously loves brawl

 

[6footninja]

ya i agree...
instead of rebelling against something obviosly good why don't you try to like it? and if you dont want to do that, then like, dont make posts like this, because everyone here obviously loves brawl

yeah, dont get me wrong I love Brawl very much. And you have a point, I just dont like how the argument crawls on

 

[so swanky]

64 smash is by far the best one

 

[Fletch]

so the game sucks because you suck at it?
ya, if you use that logic, every game will suck then

Everyone that doesn't like Brawl (as been stated about a thousand times in this thread so far) is usually a competitive Melee player who happens to be very good at Brawl as well (which should happen since skill carries over quite well). Look at the tournaments so far and who the "good" players are; they are all pros from Melee. Quit making idiotic statements about players that are infinitely better than you can ever hope to be.

 

[Paingel]

Lucario > Mewtwo

so IMO

Brawl > Melee

But then I never was very good at Melee, but I think I can get used to dodging/shielding as that was half of what I had to do in Melee.

 

[aznboi92]

Ofc you can pull of combos maybe u shux to much to do it? Falco is still good if played properly and floatiness is for mass air battles/combos.

- Overall, u failed

>.> no sir, its much harder to pull off combos in brawl then it is in melee

and falco will never be as good as he was in melee,but now his shine is terrible falco got nerfed baaadd

 

[6footninja]

Lucario > Mewtwo

so IMO

Brawl > Melee

But then I never was very good at Melee, but I think I can get used to dodging/shielding as that was half of what I had to do in Melee.

Thats just ridiculous ...

 

[Moon Monkey]

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe it's not the game that sucks....it's you? People that complain about Brawl's new physics aren't really good at all. I had to adapt from Samsh64 to Melee. smash64 was very floaty as well but i never complained i just practice and then eventually i got the hang of it. I don't see how people say it is not as competitive as Melee, especially when Smash64 has been played competitively even with the same pace as brawl.

 

[bceagles]

the only people who complain about floatiness and the "slower" game speed are people who haven't put more than 10 minutes into this game. It took me about 10-15 minutes to get used to, just like what Moon Monkey said.

 

[pyro363]

Dude were u intoxicated when you played. Brawl is the best game in the series and the best game i have ever played. It beats brawl in every catagory.