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Where should a newb to competitive start?

pika-power

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Feb 12, 2006
Messages
114
Okay, first a bit about myself.

I am a Toon Link player predominantly, although I am interested in R.O.B, Sonic and Pokemon Trainer.

I got Brawl 3-4 days ago. I have played melee before.

I find it difficult to do normal tilt attacks, as I have trained myself only to smash.

I jump-tap. I cannot short hop.

I usually spam the smash when close.

I am used to playing with the gamecube control, although I have played with the wiimote/nunchuk

In melee, I could not wavedash, as I was used to tap-jumping.

I an the definition of casual.

I want to learn.

Now that is over with, how do I become competitive? Where do I start? I have not seen a start from scratch guide.
I need step by step instructions on how I can start to become competitive.

Please, remember that I am a newb. I read about these advanced tactics, but I cannot preform them. I read about how Sakurai has ruined brawl, and I empathize with the competitive side. I even half consider myself part of it, despite not playing that way. I want to see it for myself. I feel that I should try to make a fresh start with Brawl. Please help me.
 

Amide

Smash Lord
Joined
May 4, 2008
Messages
1,217
Location
Maine
Thank you for not trying to act like the best player in the world.

First, undserstand the basic physics of the game, specials, air dodging, etc.

Normally you shouldn't EVER play computers, but it's a good idea to play them at first to learn some basics like recovering.

When you get fllying of the stage, point the control stick in the opposite direction your flying. This is DI.
 

Greenpoe

Smash Ace
Joined
Nov 6, 2007
Messages
852
Do tilts out of shield.
Play online games vs. good people a lot if the games are virtually lag-free.
 

IvanEva

Smash Ace
Joined
Nov 4, 2007
Messages
557
Location
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Sakurai has ruined Brawl? It's hardly ruined. There are a few little bits that cause trouble but by all means, it's fine for competition (at least no worse than Melee was).

To get better, I'd recommend:

- Only use the C-Stick if you want a smash attack. It'll help you get better at using tilts, which are rather important.

- Use X/Y to jump. It took me a while to get used to that as well, back in the Melee days, but that's what they're for. It's MUCH easier to short hop with the buttons than with the stick.

- If you acknowledge that you're spamming smashes (and it's not working - if it is, keep at it :p ) then stop smashing so much.

- You're not the definition of casual since, in posting, you're clearly trying to get better (and therefore you've become competitive).

- The single best thing you can possibly do to get better is to play against a variety of good people. Attend tournaments (you may not have a hope of winning it just yet but attend anyways - you'll get a lot out of them) and try to find a nearby Smash gathering/community. Hunt the forums for any constant gatherings. Losing horribly to another player (assuming that other player is friendly and helps you get better) is worth a lot more than winning against your kid sister.
 

Kappie

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Jun 29, 2008
Messages
195
Location
Amsterdam
You should really learn how to jump with X. You should turn tap jump off in the controls section, forcing yourself to jump with X. This way you can perform short hops much better, and more importantly, now that tap jump is set to off, you can just tilt up the control stick all the way and press A to do an easy uptilt (alot of people including me have trouble with that).

I'm new to this game myself, so you might wanna ignore this advice, but I suggest you train a lot against either walking / attacking computers at training mode (low level). Practice combo's a bit, but don't get too arrogant juggling with those computers, keep playing them at your best. Also train spacing a lot. Learn to tip your Fsmashes, learn the range of your attacks, your tilts, follow out of grabs, etc. Learn to dodge all of the computers attacks, this is very important, and you should be able to take down 10 low level computers before going down yourself after a while.

Also do a lot of wifi'ing. Lag can really screw you over though, so try to play people close to you. Human opponents are the best to train against after all.
 

Dark Sonic

Smash Hero
Joined
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When you get fllying of the stage, point the control stick in the opposite direction your flying. This is DI.
You got it wrong.

You point the control stick perpindicular (I probably spelled that wrong:laugh:) to the direction that you are sent flying.

DI doesn't change the distance you are sent, only the angle that you are sent at. So DIing in the same, or exact opposite, direction that you were sent will have no effect at all.

The more you know.

@Original poster-Read this (yes, I mean the whole article). http://www.sirlin.net/ptw/beginners-guide/getting-started
Then read it again until you actually understand it (you'd be suprised how often people "skip" over parts they don't want to read).
 

AgentJGV

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Sep 2, 2007
Messages
466
Location
Northeast Ohio (AKA Smashghetto)
Play. Always play. it doesnt matter who, what, where, or how. If you do this you will never become rusty. Even computers. If you have siblings play them. get your friends. Even playing computers you're skill wont get rusty but you're skill level won't go up o much. When you get comfortable with your character enter tournies and and experience that event.
 

Rdebo

Smash Cadet
Joined
Jul 4, 2008
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27
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Florida
I guess a person could consider me a noob as well when coming into the competive scene even though i've been playing for a decent bit of time.
Honestly i'm still not sure what DI is....meh..

I feel ya Pika-power..hahaa
 

Noodlehead

Smash Lord
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Houston,TX
just practice online it helps alot. just dont play "with anyone" it sucks, play "with friends".
i didnt tilt or know how to short hop either, but i learned just practicing online.
 

Rapid_Assassin

Smash Master
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4,163
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RI
1. Leave tap jump on, and learn how to do tilts with A+ the stick. Practice doing dtilt -> utilt -> ftilt with someone fast like Sheik or Sonic. If you can successfully do this with tap jump on, there's no reason to turn it off. Especially if you jump with the stick.

2. The best advice I can give is to stop spamming smash attacks, and stop rolling in inappropriate situations. This will help your game exponentially more than any advanced technique you can learn including shorthopping. I say this because smash spamming and rolling are 2 of the most punishable habits in the game, and any decent tournament player is going to catch on and kill you for it.
 

AnAardvark

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I know I'm a little late on this, since the last post was over 12 hours ago. But I was JUST LIKE YOU man. Let me tell you, it gets easier as you progress. You just have to practice, and let me tell you, the easiest way to practice, is with friends and other people and NOT on computers. I'm not exactly a PRO, but here's what I did to get this far in Brawl.

First Step - You'll want to get Wi-Fi. It helps a lot. Make a few friends on Smash Boards, get their Brawl Codes and practice it up. Playing "With Anyone" gives minor experience, but it works when your friends aren't on.

Second Step - IMO, the first thing you'll want to learn, no matter what character you main, is short-hopping. Learn to short-hop attack, than fast-fall. Probably the quickest step you'll learn during Wi-Fi.

Third Step - You have to have fun. :laugh: Playing the game just to beat others isn't a cool style. You just play to have fun, so never EVER flame someone that loses and never EVER spam moves just so you can win. The last never EVER thing to do is never EVER value a game over friendship.

That's about it. I'll say it once more, I'm not a pro, I just want to help you out, and I hope it did. If you want to Brawl me, you can send me a PM or something, I'll try to let you practice on me. Hope all of this information helped you.
 

acv

Smash Journeyman
Joined
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496
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VA
most important thing is to learn how to dodge properly.practice the timing on spot dodging.learn how to roll dodge properly without getting predictable.learn to space properly and most importantly make it your top priority to not get hit.
 

JrdnS

Smash Ace
Joined
May 25, 2008
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543
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Jax.Florida
jump with y. not the stick. since you main toon link you need to shorthop because of his bair. it is hard with the stick. and definitely learn to effectively use tilts uptilt imo is the hardest to learn. but tilts are extremely important.
 

pika-power

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Feb 12, 2006
Messages
114
Play. Always play. it doesnt matter who, what, where, or how. If you do this you will never become rusty. Even computers. If you have siblings play them. get your friends. Even playing computers you're skill wont get rusty but you're skill level won't go up o much. When you get comfortable with your character enter tournies and and experience that event.
First I want to get a machine that is worth protecting from rust.

You got it wrong.

You point the control stick perpindicular (I probably spelled that wrong) to the direction that you are sent flying.

DI doesn't change the distance you are sent, only the angle that you are sent at. So DIing in the same, or exact opposite, direction that you were sent will have no effect at all.

The more you know.

@Original poster-Read this (yes, I mean the whole article). http://www.sirlin.net/ptw/beginners-guide/getting-started
Then read it again until you actually understand it (you'd be suprised how often people "skip" over parts they don't want to read).
I see. I read the article. What I gathered from it was this:

Choose game wisely. Choose a game that holds together up high in competitive. I think I have this covered.

Devote time towards the game. Check. I can do this.

Learn the basics first. I take this as I should practice X/Y jumping, along with tilting and smashing with C. I am at this point.

Pick up tactics from experts. Just bread and butter stuff. At this point, I should return here, and start that, right?

Play the experts and learn what to do and what not to do. My only qualm about this is finding someone who will sit through that many easy matches. Correct me if I am wrong, but I have heard that Competitive players generally play with other competitives. Where will I find someone who will play with me? (I am one of the best in my group of friends, so that is out)

Beat the crap out of newbies/computers with newfound skills. Got it.

Fight experts, rinse and repeat. Fine.

All right?

You should really learn how to jump with X. You should turn tap jump off in the controls section, forcing yourself to jump with X. This way you can perform short hops much better, and more importantly, now that tap jump is set to off, you can just tilt up the control stick all the way and press A to do an easy uptilt (alot of people including me have trouble with that).

I'm new to this game myself, so you might wanna ignore this advice, but I suggest you train a lot against either walking / attacking computers at training mode (low level). Practice combo's a bit, but don't get too arrogant juggling with those computers, keep playing them at your best. Also train spacing a lot. Learn to tip your Fsmashes, learn the range of your attacks, your tilts, follow out of grabs, etc. Learn to dodge all of the computers attacks, this is very important, and you should be able to take down 10 low level computers before going down yourself after a while.

Also do a lot of wifi'ing. Lag can really screw you over though, so try to play people close to you. Human opponents are the best to train against after all.
Yup. Got it. What controller configuration should I use? I am used to gamecube, but I want to learn wiimote and nunchuk.

Sakurai has ruined Brawl? It's hardly ruined. There are a few little bits that cause trouble but by all means, it's fine for competition (at least no worse than Melee was).

To get better, I'd recommend:

- Only use the C-Stick if you want a smash attack. It'll help you get better at using tilts, which are rather important.

- Use X/Y to jump. It took me a while to get used to that as well, back in the Melee days, but that's what they're for. It's MUCH easier to short hop with the buttons than with the stick.

- If you acknowledge that you're spamming smashes (and it's not working - if it is, keep at it :p ) then stop smashing so much.

- You're not the definition of casual since, in posting, you're clearly trying to get better (and therefore you've become competitive).

- The single best thing you can possibly do to get better is to play against a variety of good people. Attend tournaments (you may not have a hope of winning it just yet but attend anyways - you'll get a lot out of them) and try to find a nearby Smash gathering/community. Hunt the forums for any constant gatherings. Losing horribly to another player (assuming that other player is friendly and helps you get better) is worth a lot more than winning against your kid sister.
I am spamming smashes, but I will deal with that when I start to face players who are far better than me. Is that an okay policy?


Do tilts out of shield.
Play online games vs. good people a lot if the games are virtually lag-free.
What shall I do if they are not?

Thank you for not trying to act like the best player in the world.

First, undserstand the basic physics of the game, specials, air dodging, etc.

Normally you shouldn't EVER play computers, but it's a good idea to play them at first to learn some basics like recovering.

When you get fllying of the stage, point the control stick in the opposite direction your flying. This is DI.
Define physics please. I have played melee. I am by no means a newb to the game in general, only to playing the competitive style of it. I know about the attacks and such.


To AnAardvark: Hmm. Same situation as me. Today I started practicing short hop Nair with Toon Link. So far my biggest flaw is accidentally overhopping the distance.

To rapid_assassin: Curious. In a nutshell, when do I roll? Do I do it for spacing? Also I think I will try to shift to x/y jumping, as it seems to be more beneficial in the long run.


I am still on the shorthopping phase, but I think I am improving... I find it difficult to perform in the midst of battle though.

How do I find an opponent who is willing to sit back and kick the crap out of me? I would feel slightly guilty about using the friend finder thing, as I will end up fighting people who (I imagine) want a proper match.
 
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