Where do peope get this crazy idea that Fox...

[CT Chia]

is a ROB counter. I'm talking like 7:3 material.

I can't see it any worse than even, though I personally think ROB wins.

Someone plz explain.

 

[Silhouette]

I could see potential for fox giving ROB trouble.
Like making us approach, having a deflector, and being much faster than us.
but really ROB destroys fox off stage, and fox cant gimp, so i agree its pretty even.

idk maybe they havnt realized that fox cant waveshine in Brawl XD

 

[Sudai]

At lower echelons of play, Fox 7:3 ROB, imo. The better you get, though, the further it starts sliding to ROB's favor, leveling out right around 45:55 our favor, imo.

 

[6Mizu]

Personally, I think his reflector is annoying(prolly cause i'm a "camp addict").
He can combo Rob to like 40% or something can't he? (I mean it's not a 0-40% combo or anything but he CAN in some cases)

But...I think the MU is either 55:45 or 60:40 Fox's fav.

No one flame about this. That's what I think the MU ratio is.

 

[Mr.E]

And what prompted you to make another topic saying this? Who still thinks Fox beats ROB?

 

[6Mizu]

I sort of think he does....

 

[stingers]

i lost to a fox

but i forget what happened

i forget why i lost so i can't fix it

ugh x.x

 

[6Mizu]

It's okay stingers.....its okay...
i feel your pain...
I use to lose to my nub friend who plays fox.

 

[CT Chia]

the mexican tier list and matchup ratio prompted me to make this since they also think fox beats rob 7 3

 

[Commander_Beef]

is a ROB counter. I'm talking like 7:3 material.

I can't see it any worse than even, though I personally think ROB wins.

Someone plz explain.

Fox shuts down R.O.B.'s camping game because of how fast he is, and his up smash is very relevant to it being Fox's favor by an unknown ratio. The fact that Fox has more kill moves combine with his haste makes it stressful for R.O.B. too. We have to use our tilt game and down smash more to give us some space. Do projectiles less and a lot of forward airs also. Once we gimp his sideB once, we can follow it up by gimping his upB thousands of times.
It's definitely not 70:30 Fox. I'd say 55:45 Fox or 60:40 at the worst.
Why use projectiles? -_-. Battle the speed with speed.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

i had no idea people thought fox beats rob. I think rob got a small advantage here. yesterday i played a fox in about 15 friendlies and did not lose once and he is a pretty solid fox. in no way is this close to 70:30 fox

 

[TheMike]

It isn't 70-30 Fox at all. o.o
IMO ROB has just a small advantage...

 

[Mr.E]

List of things you need to know to beat Fox:

1) Stay off his vertical plane. Fox can Shine stall as a mixup when approaching from the air. There's no point in challenging him directly when you can just walk out from under him. He has no horizontal aerial mobility, there's nothing he can do about it and you can just punish him when he lands. Then, he has to approach through ROB's highly superior frontal hitboxes. On the reverse, Fox falls too quickly to bait and punish air dodging and he has to run straight under you before he can jump, since he can't chase laterally once he actually leaves the ground. i.e. You're bad if you get hit by UAir ever.

2) Don't Sparingly approach with aerials. Fox can't kill with anything except USmash and approaching from the air gives him a chance to land it by dashing underneath ROB or punishing OoS.

You know, this was going to be a smartaleck-y type post and then I actually went and explained it, ruining the whole thing.

 

[CT Chia]

Fun fact

In place (or maybe retreating just a little) nair then ftilt. nair then ftilt. nair then ftilt. move forward a lil bit if the fox cowers and moves back. its almost impossible for the fox to get through successfully lol

 

[GwJ]

I remember when I played my first Fox in a tourney a little less than a year ago. I was getting owned. Then I stopping approaching and I Ftilt camped him. Then I won. ggs

 

[Tin Man]

the mexican tier list and matchup ratio prompted me to make this since they also think fox beats rob 7 3

I think they give Fox a bit to much credit, and Zelda /Sheik shouldn't be that high at all!

I also believe ROB will go down on the north American tier list.

 

[Kewkky]

All it takes for me to realize that I'm not even going to bother with their tierlise, is seeing Kirby's first MU rating: MK...


2:8 MK's favor? I'd much rather go eat some awesome snacks and read other more awesome stuff over the internet than spend my time frustrated with how their view on the metagame is.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

man that tier list loves pit no disadvantages wow.

 

[Merce]

man that tier list loves pit no disadvantages wow.

Yeah there are definitely some problems with that tier list...

 

[GwJ]

You'd be surprised how many tier lists have Pit high up. I think America's tier list has Pit as low because of how unmanly he is. He isn't played much because of that complexion.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

You'd be surprised how many tier lists have Pit high up. I think America's tier list has Pit as low because of how unmanly he is. He isn't played much because of that complexion.

idk about that peach is 5th in melee and she is only slightly more manly then pit.
i always think about playing pit but i always get frustrated with being unable to kill but now that i am a solo rob main maybe i will try pit again being use to a character who can't kill. (pit is fun)

edit: anyone have a link to the european tier list?

 

[Sudai]

Save BAir and use that to kill as Pit. I honestly find it easier to kill with Pit than I do with ROB. Haha.

As for the comparison to Peach, she's a Woman. No one wants a manly woman. Better comparison would be Marth.

 

[TheMike]

As for the comparison to Peach, she's a Woman. No one wants a manly woman. Better comparison would be Marth.

Marth is also a woman lol


And that Tier List is so weird. Pit, Fox and Zelda/Sheik too high... Never mind Fox 7-3 ROB lol

anyone have a link to the european tier list?

Is there already one? I searched and didn't find any. :[

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

idk if there is a european tier list but since there is a japanese and mexican i figured there should be european one as well.

also i just relized in the title of this thread people is spelled wrong.

and good call marth is less manly then pit and he/she is widely played.

yea so i might try pit again and see if i can co-main him with rob but i could see me giving pit up pretty fast so wish me luck. (i am not leaving rob anytime soon but only playing one character can get boring)

 

[TheMike]

yea so i might try pit again and see if i can co-main him with rob but i could see me giving pit up pretty fast so wish me luck. (i am not leaving rob anytime soon but only playing one character can get boring)

Since you play ROB, you'll never get bored, unless you see ratios like this one from Mexico. Anyway, good luck.


Also, MUs in Mexico may be discussed in another way from USA. 7-3 there can be less than what we are thinking. That's what happen in Brazil...

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

Since you play ROB, you'll never get bored, unless you see ratios like this one from Mexico. Anyway, good luck.


Also, MUs in Mexico may be discussed in another way from USA. 7-3 there can be less than what we are thinking. That's what happen in Brazil...

i still love rob but since i only have 4 friends who play smash 2 of which only play one character the mu's get boring not rob .

also what does a 7:3 mean in brazil is that more like a 6:4 here in the US?

 

[GwJ]

7:3 is 7:3 no matter where you are, but the matchups themselves are interpreted differently based on the location because you have a different community with people debating it.

 

[omegawhitemage]

i'm not going to talk about the tier list save for the fact that i think zelda and sheik are about where the should be.b

Fox vs Rob is even, no way it's worse than that. It's annoying but def a pretty easy match if you know what's going on.

 

[solecalibur]

I should mention there isnt many foxes (in my area at least) and is under rated but giving credit in his favor vs ROB isnt likely if a good rob loses to a fox they just haven't gotten use to the match up

 

[Silhouette]

I should mention there isnt many foxes (in my area at least) and is under rated but giving credit in his favor vs ROB isnt likely if a good rob loses to a fox they just haven't gotten use to the match up

GET OUT OF OUR THREAD YO (JK)


I wes thinking about how we dont have many foxes either, but then POPS went fox on me a ton on Friday and it was quite annoying. Fox's speed make him able to move around us quite alot, his Usmash is a really good and fast kill move fresh, not to mention his reflector.

So be careful against fox, its not terrible but can still be pretty bad.

 

[6Mizu]

No offense,but I think the people that came up w/ the Mexican tier list is ********.
After thinking this through I think that the MU is even.
50:50.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Are you making fun of my cultural background now Mizu?

Don't forget that the tierlist is based on the current Meta-game. Obviously the ROB's haven't steped it up much in Mexico, but the Pits have...

 

[6Mizu]

no
and if so....well they need to get working on rob....
it doesn't matter I say it's 50:50.

 

[solecalibur]

GET OUT OF OUR THREAD YO (JK)


I wes thinking about how we dont have many foxes either, but then POPS went fox on me a ton on Friday and it was quite annoying. Fox's speed make him able to move around us quite alot, his Usmash is a really good and fast kill move fresh, not to mention his reflector.

So be careful against fox, its not terrible but can still be pretty bad.

Im always in character boards I just decide to post

Are you making fun of my cultural background now Mizu?

Don't forget that the tierlist is based on the current Meta-game. Obviously the ROB's haven't steped it up much in Mexico, but the Pits have...

You cant say he was making fun of his cultural backround just because he said mexican instead of mexico

You have to relize US' tier list is most up to date since we have more players and more people contributing to the meta game of course there are going to be some people in other countries who will have it different since they have more people playing character X

Also you have to realize that the tier lists are not going to be 100% accurate but there going to be close and over course there is going to be a lot of under rating and over rating

 

[TKD]

Don't forget that the tierlist is based on the current Meta-game. Obviously the ROB's haven't steped it up much in Mexico, but the Pits have...

The R.O.B.s haven't stepped it up ANYWHERE (maybe HolyNightmare though?). That tier list is based on the meta-game of Japan and North America (but only the greatest players in the U.S., not the community in general), not Mexico's. Mexico's horrible.

About Fox on R.O.B.:
R.O.B.'s apparently easy to juggle, his shield is very easy to shield-poke and has more trouble KO'ing than Fox does. It's also not as easy to gimp Fox as you make it out to be if the opponent recovers well.

I'd like to play a "good" R.O.B. player. I'd never know where to find one though.

 

[Tin Man]

look at the ROB power rankings to find the bests ROBs.

 

[6Mizu]

Don't even bother if you really wanna know it's HolyNightMare (from Canada).

 

[buenob]

lol Holy is a beast trufax

also, for me the fox matchup is annoying because as a ROB main I'm used to controlling the flow of the match, but due to his speed and ability to deal with our projectile game in a relatively easy way, fox can easily and consistently take the lead (as in control what overall situations will arise next... not %'s). once he's there though, he doesn't have that much which will just "beat" us, it's just a weird match

 

[TheMike]

also what does a 7:3 mean in brazil is that more like a 6:4 here in the US?

Our ratios are 0/+1/+2/+3/+4/+5. We don't have numbers like +1.5. And +4's description is almost like 7:3's in the USA(by Praxis). +5 is the "Anything past 70:30" that Praxis said.

 

[Tin Man]

70:30 means its very uphill, but winnable if you play perfectly. 75:25 means u need a secondary

at least thats the way I see it.