What's the next move: Pikmins

[napZzz]

reading berks posts and seeing his abuse of threads makes me want to facepalm and leave the snake boards to die in peace.

and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thinks that.

and knowing berk, he's gonna change his mind, agree with what the most recent person said on the subject and do as they say.

inb4berkstopsposting

 

[Berserker.]

You kinda posted late syx. I was gonna let some of my threads die but yeah.

Nappy, I won't stop posting and on first, I didn't do anything bad to you. I just wanted to help but it wasn't worth it. You posted wrong timing, I was gonna let one of my threads die. And name one time I was rude to you.

 

[Yumewomiteru]

I actually like this thread, every other board has a thread devoted to countering specific moves and I don't remember seeing one other than this thread, so I say this thread at least should stay.

edit: Although I do have to say that Berk you should write better summaries, for ex, any good MKs will NEVER suicide from a nado, your just writing from experience against scrubs. And it still doesnt say anything about Footstooling nado which is a great strat.

Also, M2K recently made a thread on how to fight MK it has stuff on what to do against Mach Tornado and Shuttle Loop.

Link: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=199063

 

[Berserker.]

Thanks but I have to do some thread deals and I have do delete some ATs and MU disagreements but not this and the others.

Btw: nappy, to tell you again you got postrolled (?)

 

[Yumewomiteru]

kk, also another suggestion, I feel like your moving too fast, i think we need at least 5 days spent on each move or until ppl are satisfied with the discussion. Also its a better idea to ask ppl what move they want to discuss rather than choosing for yourself.

 

[Berserker.]

You got a point, thanks for the tips. Keep discussing this

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I actually like this thread, every other board has a thread devoted to countering specific moves and I don't remember seeing one other than this thread, so I say this thread at least should stay.

edit: Although I do have to say that Berk you should write better summaries, for ex, any good MKs will NEVER suicide from a nado, your just writing from experience against scrubs. And it still doesnt say anything about Footstooling nado which is a great strat.

Also, M2K recently made a thread on how to fight MK it has stuff on what to do against Mach Tornado and Shuttle Loop.

Link: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=199063

Agree with Paragraph 1 and 2, and also perhaps a single move at a time with a more organized title. Just to be able to find it easier.

Recently. You might want to check the date of the OP again. That was done almost 2 months ago.

Basic info. SH Bair has landing lag making it punishable. Expect FH Bairs from Wario.

Dair is the work force of Wario's aerials. Pokes shield very well. Angle the shield up to avoid it. Due to it being a multiple hitting move, which means it is Shield DIable, but it won't help much. There are not many options to punish Dair OoS. Utilt beats out pretty much all of Wario's aerials when they come from the ground.

 

[Yumewomiteru]

oh wait, your right.

no wait, your wrong, its actually from 14 months ago

 

[Berserker.]

It was last year

 

[Nic64]

Yeah, the whole "I'm doing this so he won't get banned" thing should've made it pretty obvious that it wasn't recent.

 

[Berserker.]

^ What do you mean by that? O_O

 

[Nic64]

No one actually expects him to be banned for most of the past year basically, so the idea that it was going to happen is tied to that era(first 12-14 months of brawl)

 

[napZzz]

Thanks but I have to do some thread deals and I have do delete some ATs and MU disagreements but not this and the others.

Btw: nappy, to tell you again you got postrolled (?)

You kinda posted late syx. I was gonna let some of my threads die but yeah.

Nappy, I won't stop posting and on first, I didn't do anything bad to you. I just wanted to help but it wasn't worth it. You posted wrong timing, I was gonna let one of my threads die. And name one time I was rude to you.

not only are you posting way too much you're also posting **** like this, You really should go back sometimes and check what you say because its hard to understand lol and usually bad advice if you're giving some no offense....you just tend to sway with what the most recent person tells you and go by their opinion ~_~ with a badly formed paragraph of failure

I'm not even sure what those last 2 passages from you I quoted are even supposed to mean. But I'm not trying to be rude, I'm being honest -_-

I could be like, snake loses to DDD 8/2 and give some bull**** reasons and I bet you'd believe me and start going by my opinion lol

 

[Berserker.]

You got a pint there nappy :O

Thanks for being understanding :D

Though I'm really being honest, I should take a break

 

[professor mgw]

Wario's arieals: Properly space U-tilts, place a bomb 1/4 of the stage towards the edge so that he doesn't have as much space,(try 2 sneak in a F-smash), and place drop nades.

 

[-Ran]

Pivot grab. It's under utilized, but amazing. If we lacked our Tilts, we'd build our game around Pivot Grabbing, but the great tilts have blinded us to how amazing it is. Wario has no answer to a properly executed Boost Pivot Grab from Snake. Due to how Wario spaces, the worst that can happen to Snake is that he fails to get a grab, while ever other option is clearly amazing.

 

[Nic64]

I pivot grab constantly, ****s me up because I secondary Snake and Marth who have amazing pivot grabs and then I go to play my main and I still keep doing it XD

 

[Berserker.]

I think we're done with Wario's aerials

Let's go to Olimar's pikmins

 

[Yumewomiteru]

pikmins... gg cp?

 

[professor mgw]

I don't really see an effective method against olimars pikmin throw for snake.

U-tilt to kick them off quickly, although the lag will allow olimar to punish with a fair or more pikmin throw, (depending on the distance.

 

[Berserker.]

What about a jab?

 

[Infern Angelis]

did u guys know if u keep spotdodging, the pikmin that are on u wont damage you? I believe thats how it was, its been a while sincei I actually used it

 

[Berserker.]

But won't you get punished while spotdodging? Olimar can just attack you with jab or any of his tilts

 

[Infern Angelis]

I never said it was an useful tactic lol although i have used it for the hell of it if im just wating for a stage change or something similar and the olimar is just spamming pikmin

 

[Berserker.]

Maybe it's useful if your far from the opponent

 

[smashkng]

Fiction said one time a way to stop Pkmin throws: Have the TV LOUD, ignore any non-purple Pikmins and quickly spot dodge the grab once you hear it (that's why the TV must be loud).

 

[Infern Angelis]

Maybe it's useful if your far from the opponent

Pretty much, its not an overall useful tactic, but it has its uses

 

[Yumewomiteru]

Maybe it's useful if your far from the opponent

You never want to be far away from Olimar, he easily outcamps Snake, so Snake basically has to try to play an aggresive game. But since Snake isn't really built to do that, thats why Olimar is generally considered a Snake counter.

 

[smashkng]

Losing 40/60 is usually considered a huge difference when you're as good Snake and you're as bad as Link. Usually considered "*****" when you're a top tier, but "even" when you're low tier, when it's exactly the same difficulty. Matchups aren't really bad if it's easier than 35/65.

And people, try what Fiction said for months ago to deal with Olimar.

 

[professor mgw]

did u guys know if u keep spotdodging, the pikmin that are on u wont damage you? I believe thats how it was, its been a while sincei I actually used it

But won't you get punished while spotdodging? Olimar can just attack you with jab or any of his tilts, and plus professor mgw is the best.

lolololololololololololol

 

[Berserker.]

Did I say that O_O?

Well it's kinda reasonable since your the only Olimar I know

 

[6Mizu]

Strengths:
-quick damage racking abilities.
-great campers
-strength and how long they lives depends on color
-Purples are used as anti-juggle
-white are the fastest damage rackers
-go past obsticles, such as statues at Castle Siege.
-grab range.
Weaknesses:
-die in 1 or 2 hits from any of snake's moves.
-Can, at some point, randomally "desink" (LOL XP)

What to do?
-Don't use U-tilt on them, it'll stale.
-Use any other move.

This should be about right.

 

[Berserker.]

I think n-air can take care of the pikmins though Olimar might punish us

 

[Superspright]

dair if they are on you. It is easier.

 

[.decoy]

really? and olimar can't run across the stage and dashgrab you in that time?

 

[Berserker.]

D-air and n-air have the same landing lag/frames like maybe 30 frames. I don't know which of them has a bigger hitbox but I'm guessing it's n-air

 

[.decoy]

but you can autocancel nair...

 

[Berserker.]

Really? How?

 

[Yumewomiteru]

SH DJ nair. guess you can do it with dair too, but nair is moar effective.

 

[Berserker.]

But which of them is easier to DI?