What's the deal?

[Grim Tuesday]

In theory, no. You should always power-shield so it's a pointless technical barrier.
In practice, yes. The difficulty of power-shielding means that you can only do it in certain situations, making it effectively different to standard shielding.

 

[Vinylic.]

It's called shield-grabbing.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Grabbing after a power-shield is better than shielding an attack and then grabbing it.

 

[Vkrm]

It's the same deal with l canceling. Actually it's not. There are reasons not to attempt an l cancel. Are you familiar with edge canceling? Lcanceling after sliding off an edge will kill you.
Also there would be no reason to powershield >grab since you could just punish with a kill move or whatever would yield the most percent.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Actually, that'll only happen if you time the l-cancel poorly anyway.
You are meant to press L/R/Z slightly before you touch the ground; and the edge cancel only happens after you've touched the ground.

 

[Vkrm]

Or you could just light press l. I'm really sorry, now did you say you want powershield removed or lcanceling brought back?

 

[Falconv1.0]

Power shielding is nothing like l canceling. There's an actual risk/reward thing going on with power shielding, shield pressure exists in Melee and it's not uncommon for someone to jump at an enemy to bait out the shield and then punish that with a grab or something.

Saying one should always powershield is like saying someone should always dragon punch when someone jumps at you, sure I guess that's true but by making it an input there is an actual element of predicting the opponent's moves and whatnot.

Can't believe we're going on about ****ing power shielding again, this community makes me weep.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I'm really sorry, now did you say you want powershield removed or lcanceling brought back?

Did I miss some logical step here? My opinion hasn't changed from "neither of those things"...

 

[Vkrm]

Why shouldn't you dp someone who jumps in?

@ grim listen buddy, I thought we agreed since both powershielding and lcanceling are both "arbitrary" skill barriers they should be removed. I m not missing the point on purpose to screw with you, you're just not being consistent.

 

[Vinylic.]

Now you're trolling, son.

 

[Falconv1.0]

Why shouldn't you dp someone who jumps in?

Man that is absolutely not what I was arguing at all, please ****in try again.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Where exactly did this "agreement" happen?

 

[Vkrm]

In theory, no. You should always power-shield so it's a pointless technical barrier

you support the removal of lcanceling for the same reasons if I'm not mistaken

 

[Jimnymebob]

Why shouldn't you dp someone who jumps in?

Oh I don't know .

ITT: People aren't allowed to enjoy Brawl because Vkrm said people can't.

 

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[Teran]

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[Baskerville]

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Well this thread went down the drain real quick.

 

[Falconv1.0]

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Well this thread went down the drain real quick.

Too true.

Man, what is the deal, maaaaaan?

 

[Vkrm]

Yeah, normally the the thread is locked, and I have an infraction by now.... What gives?

 

[ZIO]

A staple of these threads is it's quick devolution to **** slinging. And this thread doesn't seem to separate itself from that trope.

I will admit, I partook of some of those threads back in 09-10, but it got old after a while. Especially when mods were handing infractions out like candy and quickly closing threads.I never got to see a thread fully go through the motions unless it was on /v/.

 

[Teran]

Yeah, normally the the thread is locked, and I have an infraction by now.... What gives?

I don't mod this place anymore!

 

[Big-Cat]

I don't know. If Smash 4 ends up being even more controversial than Brawl for whatever reason (that'd be pretty hard to pull off considering so of the questionable and bad design decisions in brawl), then Melee vs. brawl arguments would probably continue. There just might be another smash game getting mixed into the mess.

hopefully Smash 4 won't be so polarizing though.

Considering Smash 4 is said to be going in a different direction, there's a strong chance that it might be so polarizing that you'd be comparing the first three Smash games all together to it.

you support the removal of lcanceling for the same reasons if I'm not mistaken

Except that power shield theory is flawed. As Falcon mentioned, there is a risk and reward to power shielding thanks to there being startup and recovery frames on shields (should this be the case?). The theory is like saying you should always block low in a 2D Fighter which everyone that plays them can tell you that's not true.

Why shouldn't you dp someone who jumps in?

This is an easy one. Let's say Juri goes in with her dive kick that's unsafe on block. Ryu could DP Juri while she's in the air, but he loses a lot of damage potential by choosing to antiair her instead instead of doing a DPxxFADC Ultra.

That's just a basic example of what you wouldn't want to DP as an antiair. Of course, this depends on the scenario and the matchup.

 

[Falconv1.0]

Clearly what we need in Smash 4 is for the game to play itself.

 

[Big-Cat]

I have been wanting more cutscenes in my fighting games.

 

[Krystedez]

What's the deal?

Who the **** cares.

"BUT KRYS WE GOTTA HAVE THESE ARGUMENTS THEY FULFILL MY E-PEENOR"

NO YOU DON'T.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Actually, questions like "Who the **** cares?" or statements like "Nobody cares" are just silly. Of course there will be those stupid people who care, how dare you have that much faith in humanity.

 

[Teran]

Shut it Holder before I dress you up and lock you in my basement.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Don't tempt me Teran.

 

[Jam Stunna]

All right, everyone has had their fun. I didn't want to lock the poor guy's thread, but it's clear that this is just going to get worse.

Consider this a warning for everyone. Infractions will be fast and free henceforth.