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Which are all true. He's got problems for sure. The most notable is that he's bigger AND lighter than G&W, which is a bad combination.
Maybe he has level balance on. In that case his defences would be pretty bad since he gets a low level for his great offensive stats and speed.
his air game is definitely not anywhere close to the best.
Rofl wtf. Yes it is. I love your argument there "nuh uh."
Well...Mew2King said over Twitter that, while he's not broken by any stretch of the imagination, he has the potential to be one of the best in the game. Now, I know we shouldn't take anyone's word as truth, but having mained him and being a Smash Bros. champion, it'd be safe to say he has a good grasp on the game and Mewtwo himself. I guess it's all a matter of seeing how everything pans out at the moment.
bairi has terrible end lag. nair has short range around mewtwos body so any character with a decent ranged aerial will knock him out of it. Fair doesn't have near the range as you're wishing it did, and it still has some cooldown to make it punishable if he misses, Dair also has a lot of startup. HIs floatly nature and slow air speed means characters with better air speed can dance around him in the air easily.
Salty much? Come on dude Mewtwo is not that good your opponent just was a better player.
Drop the argument
That's just flat out wrong. I know the person I was playing against, he's not better than me and he'd just started mewtwo and he was still winning.
106 hp 90 def and 90 spdef aren't so low stats. In pokèmon games he isn't so a glass cannonIn a lot of ways Mewtwo in Smash is a very accurate portrayal of how he played in the games: glass cannon. He has terrible defenses and dies easily, but is extremely potent offensively (and his psychic powers give him range as well). In Smash 'defenses' correspond to weight, and 'offense' translates to damage/knockback. So it only seems logical that they made mewtwo a lightweight killing machine. Like Trifroze said, "Shadow Ball might just be the best projectile in the game", Fair has the speed of Diddy's UpAir and the killing power of a smash attack, Side B BOTH reflects projectiles AND command grabs people, which can lead to followups. His tilts are great spacing tools, all of his smashes kill early, he has not one but TWO killthrows, and the second best recovery in the game. (sorry, but) Mewtwo fits the bill as the resident glass cannon, and fits it well.
I really wish they would have given him more true combos to complete the offensive package but honestly that may be a bit overkill.
There are some disagreements about the frame data (see further down in the same thread). NAir does come out fast, but might not be that fast.
If he was heavier he would be even more OP... It's fair for how powerful he is.
Some disagreement, but I don't think it could be off by more than a frame or two, lets say it's off by a frame on the start, it's still super fast, there's still not much end lag, the active frames last quite a while, and it pulls. Mewtwo is one of the fastest attacking chars, allowing him many combos, and he has higher power, priority, and range than other characters with the same attack speed. His neutral game is amazing, he's very hard to punish unless you just totally screw up, he's great.
That's because in pokemon games he is simply superior, you can't give him his canon stats because he is capable of OHKOing a pikachu, you can't have that in smash, so they based him off his predominate trait, immense psychic power.
Mewtwo doesn't even feel that overpowered though, or at least that's what it seemed like on my end. Anyway, if Mewtwo was made to fall at a much slower speed, it wouldn't matter too much on how heavy it is if it's very vulnerable to getting KO'd vertically.
He's OP, you just haven't learned him if you're not winning.
Those are heavies though, they're measured on a different scale, for his build and attack speed mewtwo gets good damage and kill power.
Powerful != kill at low percent. Well, they do, but it isn't an exclusive sort of deal.
Sheik has mad combos thats the thing a mix of high speed and low ending lag.
Ofcoarse for example
Mewtwo also has massively high combo potential, and he has higher knockback on his kill moves. There is very low ending lag and start up lag to all of mewtwo's moves, it's only his move speed that's slow, his attack speed is extremely high and he has damage values comparable to mid weights with this speed.
He's been out for a day. Nobody should have "learned" him yet, so you shouldn't be shaming those who haven't perfected his style lol. And nobody should know how to play against him, for that matter, and so I'm unwilling to take your radical opinions at face value. And absolutely nobody should be saying he's OP right now. A lot of things about him are unconventional, and nothing suggests he will be "OP," as his build is very different than many other top tier fighters in other games, but most importantly in smash. He has slowish frame data, mediocre combos, large hurtbox, and gimmicky/poor kill setups. With the addition of rage, a mechanic that many characters can exploit, Mewtwo will not be taking advantage of it often as he dies the earliest of the cast.
Back air and forward tilt are laggy but yes true sort if
and then there's this guy.
I neglected to mention how in love I am with his dair, but you pretty much nailed it. The mechanics of his side B are really interesting to me, also the fact that he has double jump cancel feels huge.
I can and just did say it, mewtwo will be top 5, I'm thinking 2 or 1 even.
Ok then get some random user on here to use MK and see what they say about him. I promise you it'll be negative, also where is this low damage coming from? He deals good damage, his throws deal 9-12% with 2% pummels, his damage output is good.
Sure Fox is fast, but he pales in comparison to Sonic.
Mewtwo has been out for about 2 days. Just look at the tier list of the previous games and their history. Notice that they all had big changes? You cannot be sure of anything in 2 days. No one has mastered Mewtwo , and no one has mastered the matchup against him.
Shadow ball is stronger than Charge shot?
That's not how level balancing works in Pokemon, but yeah Sakurai probably considered his raw power and ignored everything else.
I get that you are star-struck based on your friend beating you with Mewtwo, but its getting ridiculous now. The comments about lag-less moves are also amusing to anyone who's played the character. Utilt hits grounded opponents on a delay, uair and bair are very slow and have inconsistent hitboxes, nair has low priority and landing lag unless you full hop it, and ftilt is slow. Mewtwo's fast normal attacks are his fair and dtilt. Maybe you could include his usmash, though the start of the move is interruptable. For someone to hit with bair and uair they have to predict where their opponent will be and start the move a half-second ahead of time.
