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J4pu
Smash Champion
SHDL and IAP until he does something else.
Since that was your first post i will explain, SHDL=short hop double laser, and IAP=immediate aerial phantasm; find the thread that focuses on explaining Falco's techniques for an explanation if the name is not sufficient.
Since that was your first post i will explain, SHDL=short hop double laser, and IAP=immediate aerial phantasm; find the thread that focuses on explaining Falco's techniques for an explanation if the name is not sufficient.
mariofanpm12
Smash Ace
That's pretty bad, but try using a roll to get closer, then using a Phantasm. He usually can't grab you unless he stops you during the Phantasm, which requires good timing.
It works against D3's I've played.
It works against D3's I've played.
AvoiD
Smash Lord
Spam grounded lasers. And if your close enough, but not in grabbing range, IAP works.
SH or Full hop air dodges can help with mindgames as well when approaching in the air. Or just run up and grab to chaingrab rather then attacking.
SH or Full hop air dodges can help with mindgames as well when approaching in the air. Or just run up and grab to chaingrab rather then attacking.
The thing with the air dodge mind games...Hes got like perfect timing when grabbing me out of the air,
me grabbing him means he spot dodges then grabs me.
I could try rolling to get a little closer then iap'ing, but in my mind I dont see it happening.
me grabbing him means he spot dodges then grabs me.
I could try rolling to get a little closer then iap'ing, but in my mind I dont see it happening.
AvoiD
Smash Lord
Jab Cancel into Grab? If you can get in a Nair you can start to CG after that unless he isn't that stupid to fall for it.
Approaching from SHDL to roll behind him or Revese Boost Grab to make it unexpected.
Jab x 3 you should abuse on them. Good for racking up damage, and then to a reflector, F-tilt or F-smash. If he spams his side-b that much, spam your laser, be ready to reflect a gordo if one shows and try to IAP as soon as you can.
Approaching from SHDL to roll behind him or Revese Boost Grab to make it unexpected.
Jab x 3 you should abuse on them. Good for racking up damage, and then to a reflector, F-tilt or F-smash. If he spams his side-b that much, spam your laser, be ready to reflect a gordo if one shows and try to IAP as soon as you can.
Runawayfire
Smash Lord
Are you kidding?
You don't projectile spam and grab Falco, Falco projectile spams and grabs you.
Judgeing by how you describe your friend's playing style he's probably just a lot more skilled than you at the moment. I suggest actually listening to what the above poster's have told you and actually getting better as Falco overall than just basically throwing away their advice and johning.
You don't projectile spam and grab Falco, Falco projectile spams and grabs you.
Judgeing by how you describe your friend's playing style he's probably just a lot more skilled than you at the moment. I suggest actually listening to what the above poster's have told you and actually getting better as Falco overall than just basically throwing away their advice and johning.
Well with any arieal approach, he times his grabs so well that I cant do anything after I land cause he basically grabs me midair.
Jab x3's I use, I just cant do anything after it because ive played him so many times he knows what ill do after im done spinning.
And whats better about IAP than just doing it on the ground?
Jab x3's I use, I just cant do anything after it because ive played him so many times he knows what ill do after im done spinning.
And whats better about IAP than just doing it on the ground?
And by no means is he better than I.
Im way better at the technical playing than he is, he just sticks to basic defense
His defensive style just beats anything that I do
Also, Im not "throwing away" their advice, ive pretty much done everything they said before and it hasn't worked.
Ps - Just because I only have 5 posts on smashboards doesnt mean im noob to smash.
Shy Guy 86
Smash Ace
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Less Lag, Covers More Distance.
Try to use your reflector, if he couldn't punish its lag, or its a gordo, go up to him, then go fight, CG might help.
Runawayfire
Smash Lord
Listen, ddd vs falco is much better for falco. If you are taking everyone's advice and its not working then either your not doing it right or your friend is just too much better than you to compensate.
I'm sorry but the truth hurts.
I'm sorry but the truth hurts.
bobwaffles
Smash Apprentice
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Your lasers are much faster than his Waddle Dees. His projectile shouldn't be able to stop yours if you double laser properly, plus Falco has his reflector. Wait for him to approach.
Fluke
Smash Journeyman
Your lasers should outspeed, out lag, and out range him.
To avoid shield grabbing from aerial attacks, try to land behind him so he can to at least turn around to grab.
DAC/DLX (whatever you what to call it) should be good against shielders. The dash attack either hits the waddledee/doo (unless you're unlucky and it's a gordo) or hits DDD, if he spot dodges/shields for a short time, the upsmash which follows should get him. However, it is not 100% reliable as you friend might learn to just hold hit shield longer, but the upsmash shoudl push him out of grab range.
The waddle dees/doo/gordo are also either hit or reflected by the shine, SHDL + Shine should stop almost all projectiles coming at you and hit him. You don't even need much skill to do it (meaning no need for silent laser at the end) as DDD is just a huge target.
What to do there once you got him under control? Chaingrabbing murders DDD, just like his own does to you. Yet you have a spike to chain it into, he doesn't.
To avoid shield grabbing from aerial attacks, try to land behind him so he can to at least turn around to grab.
DAC/DLX (whatever you what to call it) should be good against shielders. The dash attack either hits the waddledee/doo (unless you're unlucky and it's a gordo) or hits DDD, if he spot dodges/shields for a short time, the upsmash which follows should get him. However, it is not 100% reliable as you friend might learn to just hold hit shield longer, but the upsmash shoudl push him out of grab range.
The waddle dees/doo/gordo are also either hit or reflected by the shine, SHDL + Shine should stop almost all projectiles coming at you and hit him. You don't even need much skill to do it (meaning no need for silent laser at the end) as DDD is just a huge target.
What to do there once you got him under control? Chaingrabbing murders DDD, just like his own does to you. Yet you have a spike to chain it into, he doesn't.
J4pu
Smash Champion
This, especially the first line
ledge camp for the win. And when he gets close do a hop up phantasm. Now he is gonna have to be on the offensive since he is close to the edge. Just be sure not to be caught by D3s up tilt since it out prioritizes the phantasm.
Blue_Bomber
Smash Cadet
Don't get grabbed. XD
But seriously, the one thing that makes the space animals better than any other projectile spammers ('cept maybe Pit) is their reflectors. You can reflect the waddles, but he's got nothing on your lasers except his meat shields. And he's a fairly big target. Try getting both of the lasers high in a SHDL, reflect if you see a gordo.
But seriously, the one thing that makes the space animals better than any other projectile spammers ('cept maybe Pit) is their reflectors. You can reflect the waddles, but he's got nothing on your lasers except his meat shields. And he's a fairly big target. Try getting both of the lasers high in a SHDL, reflect if you see a gordo.