What techniques are the hardest to pull off for you?

[Deleted member]

I'd have to say Moonwalking, seriously, I cannot get that **** down.

AND I play Falcon, too. So basically, that's like one of his main techniques that I can't pull off, which sucks for me lol.

 

[Mr.Jackpot]

I've been playing this game for over a decade and I still can't multishine for my life.

That might be because I play Marth.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I can't moonwalk except with Link.

 

[Insom]

Playing as Fox

 

[AppleAppleAZ]

Can literally do everything but moonwalking. Also the freaking Westballz pressure.

 

[Jagoffian]

SHFFMC

Haven't been able to do it even once.

 

[Arcadia157]

As Marth, I can't gimp Falco with side-b when he's below the ledge recovering up. @_@ I can do it with fair no problem, but not side-b.

 

[Bones0]

Turnaround ledgeshineland aerials.

 

[eternisedDragon]

The hardest? Turnaround waveshine backwards into a moonwalk is by far the hardest.
You don´t belief me? I did powershield waveshining the other day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SfLQe-62gE&feature=youtu.be

 

[Sacredtwin11]

The hardest? Turnaround waveshine backwards into a moonwalk is by far the hardest.
You don´t belief me? I did powershield waveshining the other day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SfLQe-62gE&feature=youtu.be

That isn't actual powershielding, that's waveshining out of shield.

As a marth main I find reverse ledgedashing with full invincibility hard, I still have a decent amount of frames of vulnerability not to mention the sd's I've had. Ledge hop double fairing is also hard, I can get it like 20% of the time. And getting a full nair out after a shield drop on a side plat of yoshi's, or PS is pretty hard too.

 

[Bones0]

That isn't actual powershielding, that's waveshining out of shield.

As a marth main I find reverse ledgedashing with full invincibility hard, I still have a decent amount of frames of vulnerability not to mention the sd's I've had. Ledge hop double fairing is also hard, I can get it like 20% of the time. And getting a full nair out after a shield drop on a side plat of yoshi's, or PS is pretty hard too.

For reverse ledgedashes, make sure you are going as far onto the stage as you can in the short amount of time before the airdodge. If you don't DJ towards the stage it forces you to wait longer before the airdodge. Also make sure you are angling your WD as steep as possible. You will know you are doing it right when the airdodge input also inputs your FF to the ledge.

 

[Sacredtwin11]

For reverse ledgedashes, make sure you are going as far onto the stage as you can in the short amount of time before the airdodge. If you don't DJ towards the stage it forces you to wait longer before the airdodge. Also make sure you are angling your WD as steep as possible. You will know you are doing it right when the airdodge input also inputs your FF to the ledge.

Thanks for the tips. Weirdly enough, I have a lot more trouble doing it on the left ledge than the right ledge.

 

[Frame Perfect]

The hardest? Turnaround waveshine backwards into a moonwalk is by far the hardest.
You don´t belief me? I did powershield waveshining the other day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SfLQe-62gE&feature=youtu.be

watch out guyz, he’s maxed out melee. silent wolf laughs at you

 

[Jim Morrison]

shine out of shield turnaround grab

 

[TerryJ]

Dashing Pivot Ledge Grab with Falcon. It's a pain in the ass because it takes perfect timing and spacing but I've started to get it down and it's a really rewarding feeling when I do it multiple times in a row. :D

 

[gravy]

Terry if you can actually do that consistently at all then you're a god.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

shinegrab where the shine hits on the run (fox). i think i'm doing it too fast, but some days it works, and other days, it doesn't.

grounded jc shine-upsmash is going to take some time too. i don't think i care enough to get that down though. there are other priorities.

 

[KayB]

Trying not to rage quit after I lose my last stock.

 

[pokemongeof]

Moonwalking is a breeze, but Fox multishines are almost impossible, and even getting his wavedash right!

 

[TerryJ]

Terry if you can actually do that consistently at all then you're a god.

Thanks, lol. It's not impossibly hard it just takes quite a bit of work. The payout is pretty high if you can do it though. Dashing Pivot Ledge Grab (or Love Zone, so sexy) is really only useful when you're close enough to the ledge. Falcon's initial Dash animation is 16 Frames long before it turn into the Run animation which you can't pivot out of, because of that I do [SH -> Land -> Moonwalk -> Ledge Grab] more than the pivot ledge grab because I'm usually too far from the ledge to do it.

 

[gravy]

Man when I practiced it I thought it would be impossible to do reliably, what percentage of the time do you get it?

 

[TerryJ]

Man when I practiced it I thought it would be impossible to do reliably

Nuffin' is impossible mate! NUFFIIIINNNN!

what percentage of the time do you get it?

I'm not sure really. Sometimes I can do it three times in a row, most of the time I don't get it at all. I'd say like 20% if that. It's hard to guess. I 'spose I need to practice it more and let you know. :D

Edit:
I just went ahead and made a 2 min video of me doing it a few times. The main thing you need to know how to do it flicker Pivot. There's a point when you're pivoting near the ledge that Falcon's front foot is off the stage, that's when you pivot. If you space it right within the 16 frame window, both of his feet will be off the stage when you pivot so you'll fall and grab the ledge. Wanna be really cool? Fast Fall after lol. Also, I seem to be able to do it best on the left side of the stage.

**** yeah pivoting!

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

winning
biwinning?

 

[EPsilon933]

I'll never be able to l cancel for my life

 

[gravy]

This definitely seems like the hardest thing to do. The thing is, you'd have to have it at 100% to use in match since its risky to fall off... It seems so hard to get that good at it!

 

[TerryJ]

This definitely seems like the hardest thing to do. The thing is, you'd have to have it at 100% to use in match since its risky to fall off... It seems so hard to get that good at it!

Cool thing is, you don't have to use it at the ledge! I've used to at the beginning of a match on Battlefield to get a dropzone Knee before. You could use it at a ledge to bait them coming after you and reply to them with a Back Air if you miss the pivot.

While on the topic of Pivot Ledge Grabs are there any other techniques that require both spacing and timing?

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

I'll never be able to l cancel for my life

Is that why you play Peach?

 

[Zyskyoto]

Consistently wavedashing, among many other things. I quit Melee, and I play Smash 64 now anyway.

 

[Nicco]

Pivot ledge grab seems weird to me. You can do a pivot -> wavedash -> fastfall to get the ledge almost as quickly. But yeah if there's nothing left to practice, why not?

Otherwise I'd say haxdashing is propably the hardest, while still being very useful. It's definitely the AT that has taken me the longest to learn, and I have learned more or less everything technical you can do with Falcon. Oh yeah, instant uair on Fox is ****ing hard, especially if you insist on using the c-stick for it xD

Now I'd like to be able to waveshine oos and multishine like a TAS god

 

[EPsilon933]

Is that why you play Peach?

Yes. I'm bad at pressing buttons

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

Yes. I'm bad at pressing buttons

slam dat c stick yeah

 

[EPsilon933]

slam dat c stick yeah

I secondary Marth ^.^

 

[Ziodyne]

Pivot ledge grab seems weird to me. You can do a pivot -> wavedash -> fastfall to get the ledge almost as quickly. But yeah if there's nothing left to practice, why not?

Otherwise I'd say haxdashing is propably the hardest, while still being very useful. It's definitely the AT that has taken me the longest to learn, and I have learned more or less everything technical you can do with Falcon. Oh yeah, instant uair on Fox is ****ing hard, especially if you insist on using the c-stick for it xD

Now I'd like to be able to waveshine oos and multishine like a TAS god

I thought you were a Jeapie fan!

Obviously, you learn the pivot ledgegrab for the flash. I mean come on, why settle for a knee dropzone when you can do a pivot reverse knee dropzone?

 

[MrHazuki]

Parry.
Everything else in the entire game is easy.

 

[CyberZixx]

Pivots are not easy to pull off.

 

[PhantasyStar]

The hardest? Turnaround waveshine backwards into a moonwalk is by far the hardest.
You don´t belief me? I did powershield waveshining the other day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SfLQe-62gE&feature=youtu.be

This song was playing in the background when I clicked the link and it went well... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cngtKI-2xzs

But uhhh, i've been playing for like a year, I've got waveshines down and any other basic spacies techniques. Except I still can't moonwalk with anyone other than Peach/Link and when I do its a baby backstep sort of Deal. But, I'm a peach player.

 

[Nicco]

Parry.
Everything else in the entire game is easy.

Still think consistent haxdashing is harder. Try it

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

Still think consistent haxdashing is harder. Try it

What the gel is haxdashing?

 

[Ziodyne]

What the gel is haxdashing?

If I have this correct, it's the ledgedashing backwards with ledge invincibility, so it's basically like a more glorified ledge stall.

 

[Nicco]

What the gel is haxdashing?

It's a ledgedash waveland backwards with a fastfall. Time it like a boss and you stay invincible with Falcon.