What is the best gaming console?

[theeboredone]

Anyone ever play Glover 64? It came with my N64 along with a couple of other games.

At first I thought it sounded and looked stupid. I had Mario Kart 64 as well, why would I ever play a no title game?

I was wrong.

It was awesome

Ah yes, Glover. I was too young to understand how to beat that game. After we sold our N64, I later ended up getting it for PC.

 

[mood4food77]

Not everybody likes RPGs. Just saying.

isn't pretty much every game now an RPG, including CoD?

 

[finalark]

isn't pretty much every game now an RPG, including CoD?

In theory, seeing how every game feels the need to add some sort of arbitrary level up/stat progression system because they feel like that's the only way to keep players hooked.

Even though games like Quake III and Warcraft III are still have very active servers not because they have a Skinner's Box but because they're actually good.

 

[Grizzmeister]

A strong case can be made for the Nintendo Wii being one of the best video game consoles. It plays its own software, is backwards compatible with GameCube discs and thanks to the Virtual Console it also plays tons of games from previous generations. The Wii's Wi-Fi service works pretty well with most games and the Wii even supports Netflix and Youtube.

The only factors keeping the Wii from greatness are its lack of true HD support and its non-unified on-line structure which makes hacking all too prevalent in games like Mario Kart Wii.

 

[mood4food77]

idk, it sold a lot but the gaming library is pretty...lackluster compared to most consoles

wii's wifi is terrible, the whole FC thing is a stupid idea

the virtual console, while a great idea, is really overpriced

idk, the wii sold but i don't consider it to be a good console for those reasons alone

 

[finalark]

A strong case can be made for the Nintendo Wii being one of the best video game consoles. It plays its own software,

This is kind of a given.

is backwards compatible with GameCube discs

Actually this is pretty awesome since backwards compatibility is starting to fade. Although the 360 is backwards compatible with most Xbox games and the PS3 is backwards compatible with PS1 games of all things.

and thanks to the Virtual Console it also plays tons of games from previous generations.

So do the PS3 and Xbox.

The Wii's Wi-Fi service works pretty well with most games and the Wii even supports Netflix and Youtube.

See above.

IMO the Wii was neat when I first played it back in '06, but the novelty wore off rather quickly. Excuse me for being a fatass, but the last thing I want to do after a long day of doing **** is flail around like an idiot to play my games.

 

[mood4food77]

literally, outside of mario games and xenoblade chronicles, nothing stood out game-wise on the wii

 

[finalark]

I liked Sonic Colors, Muramasa, No More Heroes and House of the Dead Overkill.

 

[Minato]

Wii had a lot of underrated games. Fire Emblem, Sin & Punishment 2, Little King's Story, Zack & Wiki, 3 games from the Trauma series, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, No More Heroes games, Madworld, the Kirby games, DKCR, Punchout, 2 Puyo Puyo games (not really an exclusive and Japan only), Monster Hunter, and Klonoa were games I enjoyed along with the ones finalark mentioned. These weren't all AAA titles, but they were still good and enjoyable.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

The Wii U is the best console of all time because it has...

 

[mood4food77]

the games were good, don't get me wrong

but did they stick out? to me they didn't, not like the mario galaxies and xenoblade did

the other consoles had way more titles that stuck out

 

[finalark]

I don't know, I don't think I'll ever forget jacking off my wiimote to recharge my lightsaber.

 

[FalKoopa]

The Wii U is the best console of all time because it has...

Wii compatibility.

 

[final lap]

The only factors keeping the Wii from greatness are its lack of true HD support

Yeah, the lack of true HD support really keeps me up at night. Ever since it was arbitrarily decided that everything less than 720p is crap, everything less than 720p has been crap!

Unless you mean something else.
Because I mean WiiU comes with an HDMI cable only. And that's pretty sweet tbh compared to blurry red/white/yellow A/V cables and having to buy R/G/B cables separately. That will make WiiU age better assuming HDMI will stick around. It makes WiiU the more elegant package. (not to mention it is itself a Wii)

 

[LivewiresXe]

I still feel torn between the SNES and PS1 for best console. That being said though, there's a lot of good stuff on handhelds these days, and stuff on the DS/3DS/PSP is really making me feel nostalgic and bringing me back to the good ol' PS1 day of RPGs.

 

[finalark]

Honestly, I kinda consider the PS1 era to be to RPGs what the 90s were to comics. Mainstream RPGs were generally about being angsty and emotional instead of fun and adventurous. In some ways, I don't think RPGs every fully "recovered" from that.

'cept on handhelds.

 

[Minato]

Honestly, I kinda consider the PS1 era to be to RPGs what the 90s were to comics. Mainstream RPGs were generally about being angsty and emotional instead of fun and adventurous. In some ways, I don't think RPGs every fully "recovered" from that.

'cept on handhelds.

Really? IMO, they went angsty PS2 gen and on. I guess FFVIII kinda was though.

 

[finalark]

Really? IMO, they went angsty PS2 gen and on. I guess FFVIII kinda was though.

IMO FFVIII is single most angsty entry into the FF series.

I don't know, I think things did get more angsty from the PS2. The earliest example on an angsty as **** RPG that isn't VIII off the top of my head was Grandia II, which came out in 2000. That game was drowning in angst.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Capcom should make a console and have controller connection be in system paid DLC

 

[final lap]

Honestly, I kinda consider the PS1 era to be to RPGs what the 90s were to comics. Mainstream RPGs were generally about being angsty and emotional instead of fun and adventurous.

nevermind the addition of optical disc loading times

 

[finalark]

nevermind the addition of optical disc loading times

What the hell does that have to do with design trends in RPGs?

 

[Minato]

IMO FFVIII is single most angsty entry into the FF series.

I don't know, I think things did get more angsty from the PS2. The earliest example on an angsty as **** RPG that isn't VIII off the top of my head was Grandia II, which came out in 2000. That game was drowning in angst.

When you mention that, that's true. PS1 era was the start. Luckily it was a nice balance. PS2 went all out which was pretty disappointing.
PS3's slightly less angsty in a way, but because it's much more anime (regarding the quantity of titles of them).

 

[finalark]

When you mention that, that's true. PS1 era was the start. Luckily it was a nice balance. PS2 went all out which was pretty disappointing.
PS3's slightly less angsty in a way, but because it's much more anime (regarding the quantity of titles of them).

Actually, speaking of JRPGs being much more anime, that's pretty much the direction that JRPGs are going. Most current JRPGs I've seen kicking around make heavy use of anime-inspired art with stories that make use of anime archetypes and tropes. In other words, JRPGs are less FFVIII and mores Tales of Symphonia. Which is a shame, because I hated ToS.

This is probably why I've been sticking with WRPGs this gen.

 

[LivewiresXe]

It certainly does seem anime-themed RPGs are a common thing lately. I mean, looking at almost every PSP RPG...they pretty much all seem anime-like to me.

 

[Minato]

Actually, speaking of JRPGs being much more anime, that's pretty much the direction that JRPGs are going. Most current JRPGs I've seen kicking around make heavy use of anime-inspired art with stories that make use of anime archetypes and tropes. In other words, JRPGs are less FFVIII and mores Tales of Symphonia. Which is a shame, because I hated ToS.

This is probably why I've been sticking with WRPGs this gen.

I disagree, the tropes have always been there, IMO. I'm talking about art and moe.
And I actually liked Symphonia. The beginning was bad, but the rest was great. The events and scenarios are closer to snes and ps1 style.

Edit: Now that I think about this, jrpgs have always been like this if they weren't copying other rpg scenarios. It just feels more apparent because of how current anime is.

 

[final lap]

What the hell does that have to do with design trends in RPGs?

wait wait wait.. It doesn't count as a design trend because it's related to hardware?

 

[finalark]

I disagree, the tropes have always been there, IMO. I'm talking about art and moe.

I'll be honest, the reason why I stopping being into anime is because of the rise of moe in popularity and that a majority of current anime is all harem. I'm a fan of shonen and seinen myself. I never really saw the appeal of shows like Haruhi, Lucky Star or K-On.

Thankfully they brought back Toonami so I have a place to watch the kind of anime that appeals to me.

And I actually liked Symphonia. The beginning was bad, but the rest was great. The events and scenarios are closer to snes and ps1 style.

I wasn't terribly found of it. I found all of the characters cliche, the plot twists were all obvious, I didn't care for the battle system, I felt like character building was severely lacking. The thing that killed it for me the most was knowing everything that would happen and exactly how the characters would react to it.

Not to mention that it has things like Sheena (or whatever her name was) LOUDLY OBSERVING ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE DIFFERENT IN THIS WORLD AND HOW SHE'S TOTALLY NOT FROM ANOTHER WORLD and then it's treated like a plot twist when we find out that she's from another world.

Maybe it gets better later, but I got to the start of disk two and called it quits.

Edit: Now that I think about this, jrpgs have always been like this if they weren't copying other rpg scenarios. It just feels more apparent because of how current anime is.

I think that anime archetypes and tropes finding their way in is a more recent thing. Riviera pretty much shoved every single bland, uninspired anime cliche and archetype in an attempt to be a hybrid dungeon crawler/dating sim. The game ultimately failed in the later half because none of the girls were interesting and they had all of the bland, run-of-the-mill harem personalities.

Maybe its because older games took more from shounen that I really didn't mind it. Phantasy Star IV, one of my favorite RPGs, is heavily manga-inspired but I was okay with that.

wait wait wait.. It doesn't count as a design trend because it's related to hardware?

Yes. A deign trend, I.E. things relating to the mechanics or aesthetics that are commonly reoccurring in certain genres. For instance, animal mascots in the early 90s.

I'd hardly call a shift to a superior format a design trend. It's like calling the shift from an 8-Inch floppy to a 5 1/4-Inch floppy a deign trend.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I used to be a fan of Harem, but Harem that I knew of was tenchi and Love Hina...apparently they aren't as Harem as others and I don't really want to know about the more extreme stuff

 

[Minato]

I guess you won't like Symphonia then. Tethe'alla is where the pacing gets better and disc 2 is way past that. Symphonia's like a love letter to Phantasia fans since it's the same world and the developers never mentioned it beforehand. Tales never really had strong characters or story, most of the good parts about it are the character skits, some fun scenarios, and the battles imo.

I used to be a fan of Harem, but Harem that I knew of was tenchi and Love Hina...apparently they aren't as Harem as others and I don't really want to know about the more extreme stuff

Harem's only interesting if there's a real pairing in sight. Ones where the MC is indecisive or unaware at the very end are annoying for me. And Love Hina was great because Keitaro had to earn that position basically lol.

 

[finalark]

I guess you won't like Symphonia then. Tethe'alla is where the pacing gets better and disc 2 is way past that. Symphonia's like a love letter to Phantasia fans since it's the same world and the developers never mentioned it beforehand. Tales never really had strong characters or story, most of the good parts about it are the character skits, some fun scenarios, and the battles imo.

The character skits never interested me, mostly because of the weak characters.

I guess the Tales games just aren't for me.

 

[Bowser D.X]

Unpopular opinion time: The Wii, it has some pretty good Games + VC + GC. Backwards stuff excluded I would say the N64 or Gamecube. Mario 64, Ocarina of Time (those two games alone are a pretty impressive resume for the N64), Majora's Mask, Snowboard Kids, Goldeneye, Yoshi's Story, Banjo Kazooie and Tooie, Smash Bros, Starfox 64/Lylat Wars, Conkers Bad Fur Day, Star Wars Episode 1 Racer, Mario Kart 64, Diddy Kong Racing. For the Gamecube: Smash Bros Melee, Starfox Adventures (just because it was different doesn't mean it was bad), Luigi's Mansion, Mario Sunshine, Mario Kart Double Dash, Mario Golf, Pokemon Colosseum and XD, Star Fox Assault, Star Wars Rouge Squadron 2 and 3, Metroid Prime, RE4 and Wind Waker.

 

[finalark]

In that case can we put up the PS3 for being the best console? It has some pretty good games + downloads + PS1. Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy VII (those two games alone are a pretty impressive resume for the PS1), Spyro, Tony Hawk, Syphon Filter, Crash, Twisted Metal, Crash Team Racing, Ridge Racer, Dark Stalkers, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Symphony of the Night, Tekken 3. For downloads: Okami HD, Street Fighter II HD, Beyond Good and Evil HD, Sonic Adventure 2 HD, NiGHTS into Dreams HD, Jet Set Radio HD, Code Veronica HD, God of War HD, Ico HD, Shadow of the Colossus HD, Sly Cooper HD, Sands of Time HD, RE4 HD and Snake Eater HD.

 

[final lap]

Yes. A deign trend, I.E. things relating to the mechanics or aesthetics that are commonly reoccurring in certain genres. For instance, animal mascots in the early 90s.

I'd hardly call a shift to a superior format a design trend. It's like calling the shift from an 8-Inch floppy to a 5 1/4-Inch floppy a deign trend.

I'll have to disagree. Good day sir.

 

[finalark]

I'll have to disagree. Good day sir.

I pretty clearly defined what I meant by design trend. A shift to a superior format has nothing to do with mechanics or aesthetics in games.

 

[lordvaati]

1.Super Nintendo
2.PS2
3.Dreamcast
4.NES
5.PS1