Blind Fremen
Smash Cadet
I think ZSS would easily be top 5 in game if she had a decent grab.
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What if ZSS didn't have a crappy tether grab?!
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Nefarious B
Smash Champion
If ZSS's jab comboed, and if she had a non tether grab with decent range, I think she would easily make A, probably top of A.
Of course if it wasn't a tether grab we wouldn't have CGs so it's all a trade, but yeah I'd much rather have a normal grab. Or atleast a low lag pivot grab like Lucas.
Of course if it wasn't a tether grab we wouldn't have CGs so it's all a trade, but yeah I'd much rather have a normal grab. Or atleast a low lag pivot grab like Lucas.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
ZSS is basically Marth Lite. She is a sword-style character with stabs instead of sweeps. She trades Marth's solid ground game for a better, more versatile recovery.
ZSS' jab combo would be overpowered if it connected every time because of the way jab 1 interrupts like everything. You could jab combo out of almost every attack, which you can already kind of do, except it's a risk if you do it now, which it kind of should be. I'm not saying no overpowered things exist in the game or that ZSS doesn't have any overpowered moves (seriously bair, fair, and uair are broken) of course.
What I wish ZSS had sometimes is an option below her, aerially or Wario's aerial mobility. Her best option is literally down-b kick, which is insanely risky and easily punished.
Sorry, but if you've chosen to play ZSS you have to accept that she is the queen of situational stuff. The good news is that the situations are common and that she has a good, though limited, answer to almost everything, unlike some characters that just don't have them at all, or only have answers to about half the things that might get thrown at them.
Uair, Bair, Fair, Dtilt, Ftilt (yes ftilt noobs), jab, up-b, down-b, usmash, etc, these are all really good moves but none of them are catch-alls. You have to know when to use each one. The grab is similar, in that it exists to punish a specific set of situations.
ZSS' jab combo would be overpowered if it connected every time because of the way jab 1 interrupts like everything. You could jab combo out of almost every attack, which you can already kind of do, except it's a risk if you do it now, which it kind of should be. I'm not saying no overpowered things exist in the game or that ZSS doesn't have any overpowered moves (seriously bair, fair, and uair are broken) of course.
What I wish ZSS had sometimes is an option below her, aerially or Wario's aerial mobility. Her best option is literally down-b kick, which is insanely risky and easily punished.
Sorry, but if you've chosen to play ZSS you have to accept that she is the queen of situational stuff. The good news is that the situations are common and that she has a good, though limited, answer to almost everything, unlike some characters that just don't have them at all, or only have answers to about half the things that might get thrown at them.
Uair, Bair, Fair, Dtilt, Ftilt (yes ftilt noobs), jab, up-b, down-b, usmash, etc, these are all really good moves but none of them are catch-alls. You have to know when to use each one. The grab is similar, in that it exists to punish a specific set of situations.
noradseven
Smash Lord
d-tilt can be used in almost every situation that f-air can be but its better, but yeah there are a few times you can use it.
Elyssa Xey Hexen
Broken!
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She already has a decent option out of Shield when you think about it. 1 frame jab + 7 frames shield drop = 8 frames. 6 frames is the fastest grab, and 8 frame grab is probably the average after 6. Her Jab probably has the range of most grabs as well.
The jab you'll likely be able to get 2 hits with which will refresh your moves list. And jab into something else always has some nice follow ups provided it is not avoided.
But yeah, a guaranteed option to grab someone that would do like 8% or so of damage that could lead into follow ups would greatly help.
I said against shields. She can't do anything if her opponent shields.
If ZSS had a normal grab she'd have amazing jab mixup options.
Oh and if dash attack could combo into grab it would be amazing. Her shield pressure game would be completely broken. Probably would be top of A if not top tier O_O...
Oh and if dash attack could combo into grab it would be amazing. Her shield pressure game would be completely broken. Probably would be top of A if not top tier O_O...
gianhuertas
Smash Rookie
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Zss Grabs is one of the most chainable grabs in the game if u dont miss it, The pivot greav is a good option too when ur oponent dogde it, also u can connect the trhree jabs if your opponent is not touching the floor. Try to practice One jab+Grab, Dtilt
Good luck :D
Good luck :D
Totally agreed.
Zero Suit is one of my mains but I get so annoyed with her grabs. That would be a good way to improve her.
flytai45
Smash Rookie
she would be ****.
orange/xd
Smash Ace
If only she had the grab range of DDD...
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
lol, dash attack to grab would combo.
Dash attack to grab would lead to a grab even if they shield it and spot dodging would mean Utilt.
Hyesz
Smash Journeyman
But you guys are forgetting that she doesn't have this stuff.
We might as well cope with it. :/
We might as well cope with it. :/
But a man can dream... a man can dream...
Hyesz
Smash Journeyman
^ **** straight.
I wish she was broken sometimes but I probably wouldn't use her then.
@ph00tbag;
TBH, I dunno where the "H" comes from but I can really here the 'Z'.
I'm sure the Bison one is like "YHEEEEEEES" or something, I don't really care.
Wait a second, what does my username have to do with ZSS' crappy tether?
I wish she was broken sometimes but I probably wouldn't use her then.
@ph00tbag;
TBH, I dunno where the "H" comes from but I can really here the 'Z'.
I'm sure the Bison one is like "YHEEEEEEES" or something, I don't really care.
Wait a second, what does my username have to do with ZSS' crappy tether?
mountain_tiger
Smash Champion
You never know. They COULD add that into Brawl+.
Though really, ZSS is good enough as it is. Giving her a crappy grab was probably NIntendo's way of making sure she wasn't too good.
@ph00tbag;
Meh. It makes about as much sense as any other religion...
Hyesz
Smash Journeyman
"Giving her a crappy grab was probably NIntendo's way of making sure she wasn't too good."
Yup.
If we wanted to feel good whilst winning with someone too good, we'd all main MK.
Yup.
If we wanted to feel good whilst winning with someone too good, we'd all main MK.