TheYungLink
Smash Lord
- Joined
- Aug 29, 2018
- Messages
- 1,454
You know how Castlevania was treated EXTREMELY well?
However, this STILL isn't the grandest possible treatment, and this is where this thread comes in:
RULES
Here's the maximum amount of content a third party could have, and therefore here are the limitations we have to work with:
---
With that, let's kick off this thread! Bring each currently represented third party up to the gold standard defined here!
Here is all the data except for Spirits amounts for each third party, for reference, to make it easier for you all to fill in the blanks:
Konami
*One of the playable series needs 2 stages
*One of the playable series needs 2 Assist Trophies
*One of the playable series needs 2 items
Series 1: Metal Gear
*Echo Fighter slot taken
Boss: Dracula (Castlevania)
WoL sub map 1: Castlevania
WoL sub map 2: ???
Sega
*One of the playable series needs an Echo Fighter
*One of the playable series needs 2 items
Series 1: Sonic the Hedgehog
*2nd stage slot taken
*2nd Assist Trophy slot taken
[virtually unknown at this point in time, will fill out once we have all the info. However, for the time being, you can treat Joker as if only he and nothing else from SMT is included]
Boss: ???
WoL sub map 1: ???
WoL sub map 2: ???
Capcom
*One of the playable series needs 2 stages
*One of the playable series needs 2 items
Series 1: Mega Man
*2nd Assist Trophy slot taken
*Echo Fighter slot taken
Boss: Rathalos (Monster Hunter)
WoL sub map 1: Street Fighter
WoL sub map 2: Monster Hunter
Bandai Namco
*One of the playable series needs an Echo Fighter
*One of the playable series needs 2 Assist Trophies
Series 1: Pac-Man / misc. Namco games
*2nd stage slot taken
*2nd item slot taken
Boss: ???
WoL sub map 1: ???
WoL sub map 2: ???
Square Enix
*One of the playable series needs an Echo Fighter
*One of the playable series needs 2 stages
*One of the playable series needs 2 Assist Trophies
*One of the playable series needs 2 items
Series 1: Final Fantasy
Boss: ???
WoL sub map 1: ???
WoL sub map 2: ???
- Two characters, Simon and Richter as an Echo Fighter
- A stage, Dracula's Castle
- 34 music tracks
- Its own item, Death's Scythe
- An Assist Trophy, Alucard
- 29 Spirits
- It's own sub map in World of Light, specifically as a sub map in the Dark World section
- Finally, its own boss, Dracula himself
- One character, Snake
- A stage, Shadow Moses Island
- 11 music tracks
- An Assist Trophy, Gray Fox
- 26 Spirits
However, this STILL isn't the grandest possible treatment, and this is where this thread comes in:
- Both Sega and Namco have an advantage over Castlevania, in that at least one series of theirs has two separate stages: Sonic the Hedgehog has both Green Hill Zone and Windy Hill Zone, and Pac-Man has both Pac-Maze (RIP) and Pac-Land. This means that, theoretically, one of Konami's playable series should get another stage.
- Sega's Sonic the Hedgehog has two assist trophies: Shadow the Hedgehog and Knuckles the Echidna. At least one of Konami's playable series should get a second assist trophy as well.
- Sega's last advantage should be obvious: it has playable characters from 3 completely different series, now that Joker from the Sega-owned Shin Megami Tensei series is going to be in the game. Every third-party can have a maximum of 3 playable series.
- I'm stretching the rules for Square Enix's Super Mario RPG. It's technically a Mario game, though the rights belong to them. For simplicity's sake, when considering Square Enix, if you want to include Geno, Mallow, or both, they won't count toward the 3 series rule. Basically, after making a note of which 3 SE series you want in and its Assist Trophy series, you can make a little side note saying "Oh yeah, Geno and Mallow are in, too, and Suoer Mario ROG gets a stage cuz why not amirite"
- You can argue that Pac-Man represents two things simultaneously: his own series, and Namco arcade games, since he uses Galaga's tractor beam as his grab and Mappy's trampolines as his recovery. His up taunt also references TONS of stuff Namco made, and in Ultimate it now includes two non arcade game cameos, pixel forms of Heihachi from Tekken and The Prince of All Cosmos from Katamari Damacy. All the miscellaneous Namco music that isn't Pac-Man related is still listed under the Pac-Man section in the Music Player in Smash Ultimate. As a result, I'm going to Pac-Man as an exception and say that Namco's two items, Boss Galaga and the Special Flag, despite not Pac-Man related, are part of his "series". This means one playable third party series can have two items.
- As a side note, despite having only one playable character and a stage cut, Namco still seems to have had a grand treatment of its own, just in a very different way. However, since this exercise wouldn't be fun without limitations, all the immense amount of content from different sources that Namco has will be treated as an exception rather than the rule, so no 30 different music tracks from 30 different Capcom series or anything like that.
- Capcom has three advantages over Castlevania, here's the first one: it has a playable series with the most Spirits out of all third parties, since Mega Man has 57 Spirits. If you really want to, you can bump up one of a third party's series' Spirits up to that number. You don't have to do this if you don't care THAT much about Spirits, though, and just want to get to the other aspects of third parties.
- Capcom's second advantage is that it has a boss completely separate from its playable characters: Rathalos. It technically has its own sub map in World of Light, but he's the only Monster Hunter content in there, along with a couple of songs. It's also the Assist Trophy Capcom has that isn't from its playable series Mega Man and Street Fighter, so it pulls double duty. Each third party can have one boss, and you can make it an Assist Trophy as well if you think that's feasible.
- The third advantage is that while Castlevania has 34 music tracks, Street Fighter has 38. Each playable third party playable series can have up to 38 music tracks.
RULES
Here's the maximum amount of content a third party could have, and therefore here are the limitations we have to work with:
- THREE playable series with a character, stage (with up to 38 music tracks), an item, and Assist Trophy each. They can have 57 spirits each but you don't have to include / care about that if you don't want to
- Only ONE of these playable series gets an Echo Fighter
- Only ONE of these playable series gets a second stage
- Only ONE of these playable series gets a second Assist Trophy
- Only ONE of these playable series gets a second item
- They don't ALL have to be the same series. You can make Mega Man the series with two Assist Trophies AND two stages, or you can let Mega Man keep two Assist Trophies but give Street Fighter two stages.
- ONE Assist Trophy that isn't from one of the playable series
- ONE boss, either one unique or one that doubles as an Assist Trophy. If this boss is from the non playable series, it also gets TWO music tracks
- Out of these FOUR total series each third party has, only TWO of them get World of Light sub maps. You can mix and match if you want to take the Capcom route of having one sub map from a playable series (Street Fighter) and one from the non playable series (Monster Hunter), or both from playable series
- Last rule: This thread only applies to third parties currently represented in Smash with playable series, so unless Falcom gets a character or something in the DLC, don't talk about it.
---
With that, let's kick off this thread! Bring each currently represented third party up to the gold standard defined here!
Here is all the data except for Spirits amounts for each third party, for reference, to make it easier for you all to fill in the blanks:
Konami
*One of the playable series needs 2 stages
*One of the playable series needs 2 Assist Trophies
*One of the playable series needs 2 items
Series 1: Metal Gear
- Character: Snake
- Stage: Shadow Moses Island
- Tracklist: 11 (27 missing)
- Assist Trophy: Gray Fox
- Item: ???
*Echo Fighter slot taken
- Character: Simon, Richter as Echo Fighter
- Stage: Dracula's Castle
- Tracklist: 34 (4 missing)
- Assist Trophy: Alucard
- Item: Death's Scythe
- Character: ???
- Stage: ???
- Tracklist: ???
- Assist Trophy: ???
- Item: ???
Boss: Dracula (Castlevania)
WoL sub map 1: Castlevania
WoL sub map 2: ???
Sega
*One of the playable series needs an Echo Fighter
*One of the playable series needs 2 items
Series 1: Sonic the Hedgehog
*2nd stage slot taken
*2nd Assist Trophy slot taken
- Character: Sonic
- Stage: Green Hill Zone / Windy Hill Zone
- Tracklist: 19 (19 missing)
- Assist Trophy: Shadow / Knuckles
- Item: ???
- Character: Bayonetta
- Stage: Umbra Clock Tower
- Tracklist: 11 (27 missing)
- Assist Trophy: Rodin
- Item: ???
[virtually unknown at this point in time, will fill out once we have all the info. However, for the time being, you can treat Joker as if only he and nothing else from SMT is included]
- Character: Joker
- Stage:
- Tracklist:
- Assist Trophy:
- Item:
Boss: ???
WoL sub map 1: ???
WoL sub map 2: ???
Capcom
*One of the playable series needs 2 stages
*One of the playable series needs 2 items
Series 1: Mega Man
*2nd Assist Trophy slot taken
- Character: Mega Man
- Stage: Wily Castle
- Tracklist: 31 (7 missing)
- Assist Trophy: Wily Capsule / Zero
- Item: ???
*Echo Fighter slot taken
- Character: Ryu, Ken as Echo Fighter
- Stage: Suzaku Castle
- Tracklist: 38 (max)
- Assist Trophy: Guile
- Item: ???
- Character: ???
- Stage: ???
- Tracklist: ???
- Assist Trophy: ???
- Item: ???
Boss: Rathalos (Monster Hunter)
WoL sub map 1: Street Fighter
WoL sub map 2: Monster Hunter
Bandai Namco
*One of the playable series needs an Echo Fighter
*One of the playable series needs 2 Assist Trophies
Series 1: Pac-Man / misc. Namco games
*2nd stage slot taken
*2nd item slot taken
- Character: Pac-Man
- Stage: Pac-Land / Pac-Maze
- Tracklist: 11 (27 missing)
- Assist Trophy: Ghosts
- Item: Boss Galaga / Special Flag
- Character: ???
- Stage: ???
- Tracklist: ???
- Assist Trophy: ???
- Item: ???
- Character: ???
- Stage: ???
- Tracklist: ???
- Assist Trophy: ???
- Item: ???
Boss: ???
WoL sub map 1: ???
WoL sub map 2: ???
Square Enix
*One of the playable series needs an Echo Fighter
*One of the playable series needs 2 stages
*One of the playable series needs 2 Assist Trophies
*One of the playable series needs 2 items
Series 1: Final Fantasy
- Character: Cloud
- Stage: Midgar
- Tracklist: 2 (36 missing)
- Assist Trophy: ???
- Item: ???
- Character: ???
- Stage: ???
- Tracklist: ???
- Assist Trophy: ???
- Item: ???
- Character: ???
- Stage: ???
- Tracklist: ???
- Assist Trophy: ???
- Item: ???
Boss: ???
WoL sub map 1: ???
WoL sub map 2: ???