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completely true, literally most people think it's a new game now, if it wasn't they wouldn't have revealed that way and they would've clarified by nowThe lack of info makes me think it isn't just a glorified port actually. That's just now how you do a reveal for a port. Building up all that hype only to reveal weeks later that it's not a new game would quite simply be a PR disaster.
Because no one seems to have told you this. Tropical Freeze released on the Wii U like 3-4 years ago. Tropical Freeze on the Switch is not a port of DKC: Returns, it's a port of Tropical Freeze on the Wii U, lol.When did people's definitions of "port" get so weird? Like, is Tropical Freeze a port of DKC: Returns? I feel like that game is as similar to DKC:R as Splatoon 2 was to Splatoon at launch, but nobody would ever call it a port. It had completely new levels, new characters, new world map, etc. Same goes for tons of franchises. It's super common for full-blown sequels to reuse the engine and various assets, but no one calls those ports or remakes unless it's Smash. I swear if the next Smash has an entirely new set of levels with 10 new characters people will still refuse to call it a new game.
Because no one seems to have told you this. Tropical Freeze released on the Wii U like 3-4 years ago. Tropical Freeze on the Switch is not a port of DKC: Returns, it's a port of Tropical Freeze on the Wii U, lol.
The gameplay in a platformer is literally dictated by what the levels are. If the levels are all new levels, then the game could be considered completely new. In the same way, the gameplay in Smash is based on it's physics + it's characters. If both physics and characters are the same as Smash 4 it could be said that it's a port.
smash 4 defintly was not trash lolI'm hoping it's a new game cause sm4sh was tr4sh with absolutely and I mean absolutely no safe approaches aka safe shield pressure. They can port it but they seriously need to fix that.
That's your opinion. And I agree when it comes to content. But content also becomes tr4sh when you take away the most important things, which are approach options and ways to pressure The Shield safely other than projectilessmash 4 defintly was not trash lol
As crazy as this sounds, I almost prefer a rehash of Wii U version so that we don't have any roster cuts.Most likely its own game that is built on Smash 4's engine. We will know for sure once E3 comes around, so sit tight until then.
Gotcha, I didn't think about E3 coming up so quickly as a chance to advertise the game. It has been dead quiet since the announcement. I am just not sure they have had enough time to develop a new Smash game with higher quality. Yes they could have put something quick together in this time but not a great product.Most likely its own game that is built on Smash 4's engine. We will know for sure once E3 comes around, so sit tight until then.
Pikmin 4. No details shown off. Must be a port.you show off new games. you update with ****ing something from new games. you at the very least show off the core 8 characters in new games. smash 4's announce trailer showed us what all of the core fighters looked like as well as a stage or two.
we have literally nothing. we don't even know what mario looks like. ****ing mario. and we have no ****ing idea if we're even gonna get new info before e3, y'know, before a ****ing tournament occurs live on-stage at one of the biggest electronics shows in the world.
They showed a simple teaser to let us know that the game's coming. Just like they did with Fire Emblem, Metroid Prime and many others. This argument doesn't favor your point, there's no reason to create teasers with minimal info for anything but new products. When was the last time Nintendo made a brand-new, high-quality CGI teaser for the re-release of a previous, somewhat recent game?you show off new games. you update with ****ing something from new games. you at the very least show off the core 8 characters in new games. smash 4's announce trailer showed us what all of the core fighters looked like as well as a stage or two.
we have literally nothing. we don't even know what mario looks like. ****ing mario. and we have no ****ing idea if we're even gonna get new info before e3, y'know, before a ****ing tournament occurs live on-stage at one of the biggest electronics shows in the world.
So please stop comparing Smash Switch to Splatoon 2.For Splatoon 2, the shading mechanism has been totally changed. Thanks to this, gear texture quality is significantly improved.
The team intentionally kept the general look from the original since that was one of the things people loved. However, because of this, people may think they just ported over existing assets from the original to Splatoon 2. In actuality, all graphical aspects and programming mechanisms have been built up from scratch.
lol who tf cares about pikmin still, same game for three iterations now along with some bad gimmick on the 3ds, be surprised if that ****'s not cannedPikmin 4. No details shown off. Must be a port.
Metroid Prime 4
retro gonna retro, don't think they're known for leaks though prime 4 is also prolly super early in dev since ninty had to ****ing beg retro to go back to it. also fans were about to ****ing burn ninty HQ to the ground if they got shafted on another console.. No details shown off. Must be a port.
Pokemon Switch
Prolly in Metroid's boat as far as being super-early. When the best you ****ing have is a dev onscreen going 'no dudes it's totally coming', that's so ****ing early in dev there's not even goddamn concept art(Working title). No details shown off. Must be a port.
Fire Emblem Switch
after fates and few's total failure no one gives a **** about fe anymore. you've got your usual lyn-waifu holdouts but general pop would ****ing riot if a seventh fe character joined up without some cuts overall.(Working title). No details shown off. Must be a port.
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
launch game with nothing but botw to push back against it, and it still beat botw for sales. they knew this was money. Tons of details shown off. Must be a new game.
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
no one cares about dk anymore which is why we're not gonna see dixie or k.rool unless there's a sudden and ****ing gigantic resurgence.. Tons of details shown off. Must be a new game.
Hyrule Warriors Definitive Edition
KT pushes the **** out of all of their games, this isn't unusual. Tons of details shown off. Must be a new game.
Captain Toad Treasure Tracker
it was? unless we're talking something different, then idk. Tons of details shown off. Must be a new game.
we knew what brawl looked like at least. we knew how the characters would look. we knew what a couple stages would look like, and how gameplay might ****ing flow. we have literally none of the above for this ****ing game. there's a difference in going into a game you've never played and going into a game you've never even ****ing seen.Or... Your argument is not sensible.
Let's not forget, there was a tournament for Brawl before anyone had the chance to play that game. The tournament isn't to show the best, high level play of the game possible. It's to draw attention by having the most popular Smashers with the most followers on stage together, being watched by their collective audiences, thus providing more easy publicity to the game.
fake leakers are gonna make fake leaks no matter ****ing what. see the recent ARMS and IC leak and now the current 'bayo's totes back guys' leak. and i can dig that sakurai's tired from doing daily updates, but, y'know, a single ****ing screenshot would be nice. remember, this game is supposed to come out in, at most, seven months. that's a ****ing alarm bell.Sakurai wound up being overly stressed by the Post of the Day cycle for Smash 4. He likely doesn't want to repeat the "steady stream of data" that he did for that game. The early reveal also had numerous other problems. It made it harder to keep secrets, and it meant that fake leakers had a lot more time to work on their projects.
we had gameplay in that trailer, and we had in-game cutscenes. we knew what the game would look like. we knew a lot more **** about xc2 than we currently do about smash switch. also maybe they shoulda taken that 2018 delay to un**** the game but that might also ~just be me~The short delay from reveal to presentation also isn't any indication. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 was revealed very close to its release date. Close enough that people said that there was no way that it was still going to come out 2017, and that it would be delayed to mid-2018 at least. But...it released on time.
the ****ing silence is deafening, and is screaming that there's something they're really ****ing reluctant to tell us. dunno why, i'd love a port to switch with a bit of extra ****, but everyone here's hinging their hope on a goddamn whole-new experience when, well, it ain't gonna be that. don't get too disappointed when you see smash tour back on the menu.In short, no, the fact that Nintendo has changed their marketing strategy is in no way indicative of whether or not this game is a port.
vOvI am wondering whether this game will pull more from its predecessors than previous games in the series have, though. Because, typically, new games have about three new stages for every returning stage, and each new game has had close to 25% more stages than its direct predecessor. This would put as at about 70 stages, with about 20 returning stages. But considering how many stages that would leave out, I'd like to see more total stages, with a lot more old ones brought back.
prime 4 got announced at the end of the wii u cycle to literally beg customers to give ninty's switch a chance 'cause don't worry guys we're totally being serious about games and look, look, look metroid and pokemon are totes coming! don't put us on pitchforks!They showed a simple teaser to let us know that the game's coming. Just like they did with Fire Emblem, Metroid Prime and many others. This argument doesn't favor your point, there's no reason to create teasers with minimal info for anything but new products. When was the last time Nintendo made a brand-new, high-quality CGI teaser for the re-release of a previous, somewhat recent game?
Could you provide a single sensible reason as to why they'd be so secretive about a mere port?
We simply would have been told if it was a port by now. They've been developing this game the same amount of time they developed the last game. The fact that they haven't told us ANYTHING (no special interviews, no twitter announcements, nothing) is more of a hint to it being a new game; why keep everyone in suspense with NO news, work on it for 2 years, just for it to be a port? By the time the game is released, it'd be roughly 2-2.5 years in development. Certainly it wouldnt take THAT long to move things over and add one or two things.you show off new games. you update with ****ing something from new games. you at the very least show off the core 8 characters in new games. smash 4's announce trailer showed us what all of the core fighters looked like as well as a stage or two.
we have literally nothing. we don't even know what mario looks like. ****ing mario. and we have no ****ing idea if we're even gonna get new info before e3, y'know, before a ****ing tournament occurs live on-stage at one of the biggest electronics shows in the world.
With Smash 4, they started releasing character reveals on a regular basis. I'd be willing to bet they're going to do the exact same thing once they come out and officially announce the game rather than just tease it.minimal info: simply put, you just don't cloak-and-dagger games like this. yeah you don't want to spill every ****ing bean you've got but turning the tap all the way off just frustrates and confuses fans. you want a nice steady drip so peeps salivate for more. also, a look at the game either with a static image or in-motion would clarify this question right the **** up.
Nintendo has been pretty good about leaks in recent years. If anything, I'd say that minimal info about the game just points to it being a brand new game. Why would they be so vague and secretive about a simple port? I also highly doubt that Nintendo would allow us to think that there's even a slight chance of this being a new game if it weren't. They didn't do this with any other the other ports from the Wii U and I don't see why they would start now. One would think that Nintendo would want to clear this up instantly so fans didn't get the wrong idea and end in disappointment.lack of leaks: ey speakin' of minimal info, no leaks yet? seriously? no screens, no rosters, not even a ****ing render of mario? considering brawl and 4 were leaky ****ing ships and even melee got leaked toward the end, how the **** did sakurai suddenly learn to turn into mueller with regard to opsec?
They did the exact same thing with Smash 4. They brought PROS in to play and it was plainly obvious that they had absolutely no idea what they were doing. Keep in mind, the people who Nintendo invited to the tournament were mostly Melee Pros. They did this to hype up Smash 4.impending tournament: so ninty expects people to perform at a tournament level on a game that they've never ****ing played before. on one of the biggest stages in all of electronic entertainment.
Sooooooo...Prime 4 got announced at the end of the wii u cycle to literally beg customers to give ninty's switch a chance 'cause don't worry guys we're totally being serious about games and look, look, look metroid and pokemon are totes coming! don't put us on pitchforks!Khao said:They showed a simple teaser to let us know that the game's coming. Just like they did with Fire Emblem, Metroid Prime and many others. This argument doesn't favor your point, there's no reason to create teasers with minimal info for anything but new products. When was the last time Nintendo made a brand-new, high-quality CGI teaser for the re-release of a previous, somewhat recent game?
Could you provide a single sensible reason as to why they'd be so secretive about a mere port?
you're seeing ridley's shadow again if you're really thinking this is a fresh and whole-new game.
enough with the cursing is makes your post not worth taking seriouslyyou show off new games. you update with ****ing something from new games. you at the very least show off the core 8 characters in new games. smash 4's announce trailer showed us what all of the core fighters looked like as well as a stage or two.
we have literally nothing. we don't even know what mario looks like. ****ing mario. and we have no ****ing idea if we're even gonna get new info before e3, y'know, before a ****ing tournament occurs live on-stage at one of the biggest electronics shows in the world.
I was on the fence before, but this brings me solidly to the "New Game" side. If there's a pattern to be found, it's a new game. Nintendo doesn't tease and hype up ports.Pikmin 4. No details shown off. Must be a port.
Metroid Prime 4. No details shown off. Must be a port.
Pokemon Switch (Working title). No details shown off. Must be a port.
Fire Emblem Switch (Working title). No details shown off. Must be a port.
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Tons of details shown off. Must be a new game.
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze. Tons of details shown off. Must be a new game.
Hyrule Warriors Definitive Edition. Tons of details shown off. Must be a new game.
Captain Toad Treasure Tracker. Tons of details shown off. Must be a new game.
Or... Your argument is not sensible.
Let's not forget, there was a tournament for Brawl before anyone had the chance to play that game. The tournament isn't to show the best, high level play of the game possible. It's to draw attention by having the most popular Smashers with the most followers on stage together, being watched by their collective audiences, thus providing more easy publicity to the game.
Sakurai wound up being overly stressed by the Post of the Day cycle for Smash 4. He likely doesn't want to repeat the "steady stream of data" that he did for that game. The early reveal also had numerous other problems. It made it harder to keep secrets, and it meant that fake leakers had a lot more time to work on their projects.
The short delay from reveal to presentation also isn't any indication. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 was revealed very close to its release date. Close enough that people said that there was no way that it was still going to come out 2017, and that it would be delayed to mid-2018 at least. But...it released on time.
In short, no, the fact that Nintendo has changed their marketing strategy is in no way indicative of whether or not this game is a port.
I am wondering whether this game will pull more from its predecessors than previous games in the series have, though. Because, typically, new games have about three new stages for every returning stage, and each new game has had close to 25% more stages than its direct predecessor. This would put as at about 70 stages, with about 20 returning stages. But considering how many stages that would leave out, I'd like to see more total stages, with a lot more old ones brought back.
This I 100% agree. It makes the most sense given the small gap between smash 4's release and smash 5's. It's not like Sakurai to just fatten up a game by adding more content. This is a gonna be a fine tuned smash 4 with enough new content to be it's own game and not a mere port. I really don't think there's any sense in starting from the ground up again anyway given that he created all those resources for smash 4 like 5-7 years ago.One thing is a fact though, Nintendo isnt marketing and hyping it as a port.
My bet is a sequel, or an expansion, built upon the previous game. this mean that core mechanichs changes are posible, slight rendering updates are posible, and physics engine adjustments are posible, but nothing will differ too much from the original, yet it will have enough meat for not being considered a port. and maybe uselss stuff sill be cut or replaced (smash tour anyone?) And it will have more than one exclusive feature and a couple of new content (pokken, dkcTF, MK8).
Safest bet is an entire rework to solo content modes, since it was the weaker part of Smash 4.
at least thats my wish...
Is easier to do ambiscious stuff when you have a solid and polished base game where to build upon.
A former Bandai Nampo dev confirmed its using a new engine. Also, why does a Smash game need to have all new assets to be considered a “proper” Smash game? What’s wrong with the assets we have now?I am afraid of the middle road: Sm4sh's engine with new content marketed as a new game.
Then this discussion will last until a (proper) Smash game gets announced in the future.
*shudders*
They only confirmed it's a new graphics engine, not a new gameplay engine.A former Bandai Nampo dev confirmed its using a new engine. Also, why does a Smash game need to have all new assets to be considered a “proper” Smash game? What’s wrong with the assets we have now?