We might be only getting the starting roster before release.

[ChronoBound]

Where are people pulling this "40 characters" number from? I mean I wish we got that many characters, but I think people are being a bit too optimistic. I think people are making these numbers up based on how many characters they wish to see.

Unless Sakurai shows the character selection screen, the amount of characters in the game can be anywhere (high or low). Unfortunately, the only lead thus far comes from that brochure.

 

[Tobi-]

Where are people pulling this "40 characters" number from? I mean I wish we got that many characters, but I think people are being a bit too optimistic. I think people are making these numbers up based on how many characters they wish to see.

it isnt that crazy of an idea to have 40 characters. However, to have 40 characters non-clones is something that would be hard to come by.

Just look at Dragon Ball Z for Wii. It has 150+ playable characters. LOL

 

[ChronoBound]

Just look at Dragon Ball Z for Wii. It has 150+ playable characters. LOL

Yeah, in that game you even have clones of clones of clones. >_>

 

[xbrinkx]

23 characters for a starting roster or the whole roster? That post was seriously flawed. So far none of the characters in the game have similar moves because Sakurai wants to sell games. He won't sell anything by showing 5 different versions of Mario. Your post sounds like you're saying you only want these 23 characters and no others. That, my friend, is crap. There is no way Sakurai would put only 23 characters in the game especially when there are characters like Capt. Falcon and Luigi who are all but confirmed. Which brings me to my final point. Luigi will be a clone. Luigi always has been, and will forever remain, a clone of Mario. In every game Luigi has the same stats as Mario with very little differences and this will not change with Smash. I'm all for getting rid of most clones, but Luigi is an important part of Nintendo's franchise, much more than Vacuum Luigi or Mr. L.

Ok, Sorry to come in late, but I posted a long while back and I want to defend myself. My point was. A lot of the characters in Melee were clones. Sakurai said he wanted to get rid of clones in Brawl. If you get rid of the clones in Melee then you get a lot less characters. So 23 characters that are all original would be totally agreeable to me. That's my two cents. I don't care how you're gonna twist my statements anymore, please deposit your crap somewhere else.

 

[ChronoBound]

Ok, Sorry to come in late, but I posted a long while back and I want to defend myself. My point was. A lot of the characters in Melee were clones. Sakurai said he wanted to get rid of clones in Brawl. If you get rid of the clones in Melee then you get a lot less characters. So 23 characters that are all original would be totally agreeable to me. That's my two cents. I don't care how you're gonna twist my statements anymore, please deposit your crap somewhere else.

Yeah, counting out the clones, there were only 20 characters with unique movesets (counting Sheik separately of course).

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

Source? I always here people say this, yet I have never seen any proof of it. If you are talking about people doing the music for Brawl, then yes. However, actual programming, I have yet to see any proof.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=928518&topic=38255492

Though no exact numbers are given, it *DOES* hint at a large studio.

 

[ChronoBound]

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=928518&topic=38255492

Though no exact numbers are given, it *DOES* hint at a large studio.

Yeah, Sakurai said that he wanted the development team to be have at least 50 people. However, keep in kind that big budget games such as the main Zelda and Final Fantasy games have 200+ people working on them, and spend about three years in development, yet there are people who have called Twilight Princess and FFXII disappointing because of how over-hyped they were. While I definitely think that Brawl will be a big improvement over Melee, I think if people overhype it too much, and set ridiculously high expectations, they are bound to be disappointed.

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

^That's definitely true.

 

[xbrinkx]

Yeah, counting out the clones, there were only 20 characters with unique movesets (counting Sheik separately of course).

Exactly my point. That other guy twisted my words exactly opposite earlier. But anyways, I've heard a lot about how some sort of Nintendo Ref., or Rep., or something, 'spilled the beans' on Luigi. Now I may be wrong but it's just some guy who works for Nintendo. He could know absolutely nothing about characters in Brawl. I mean he could know something, but he could've just slipped up and named Luigi by accident. Although I do wish Luigi for Brawl (especially if he comes in a different form than a mario clone) it just seems like we're getting excited about one little slip up, whether it's a slip-up of him getting 'confirmed', or it's a slip-up of him saying something by accident that he doesn't know for sure. I like how the roster's going guys and I'd want more characters as much as the next guy, but it's hard to say about many more characters for Brawl, if any.

 

[Brawler1432]

Ya, I mean Brawl is Brawl, it is a super smash bros with a good single player, and an OK online (as far as we know). Think that and at the least you won't be dissapointed.

 

[Boofer]

it isnt that crazy of an idea to have 40 characters. However, to have 40 characters non-clones is something that would be hard to come by.

Just look at Dragon Ball Z for Wii. It has 150+ playable characters. LOL

It's not that crazy, but based on what we already know about brawl it seems unlikely. At first, I expected about 40 characters. But now, I expect 32 - 36, based on the brochure and the recent lack of character updates. And yeah, 40 non-clones does seem a bit hard to come by. Hopefully I'm wrong.

 

[Boofer]

So 23 characters that are all original would be totally agreeable to me.

I don't know, if brawl had 20 original characters don't you think only 3 more is a tad weak for a smash bros. sequel? That's VERY weak imo. I'd be highly upset, especially after waiting what, 6 years, for the sequel of one of my favorite games. And this is coming from a person that thinks 40 characters is unlikely.

 

[Magnacor]

Ok, Sorry to come in late, but I posted a long while back and I want to defend myself. My point was. A lot of the characters in Melee were clones. Sakurai said he wanted to get rid of clones in Brawl. If you get rid of the clones in Melee then you get a lot less characters. So 23 characters that are all original would be totally agreeable to me. That's my two cents. I don't care how you're gonna twist my statements anymore, please deposit your crap somewhere else.

I'll deposite my crap wherever I darn well please! Anyways, sorry about trying to twist your words a tad. I just really hope the number of charcters go up even if they were all original. The reason why there were so many clones in Melee likely had something to do with Sakurai having to make a decision on whether to include five clones or one original character and thought that we'd appreciate the five clones more. There is a reason for adding all of those clones, but I agree, some of them were completely pointless (Pichu, Dr. Mario, Young Link) and are hopefully going to be cut for Brawl.

Exactly my point. That other guy twisted my words exactly opposite earlier. But anyways, I've heard a lot about how some sort of Nintendo Ref., or Rep., or something, 'spilled the beans' on Luigi. Now I may be wrong but it's just some guy who works for Nintendo. He could know absolutely nothing about characters in Brawl. I mean he could know something, but he could've just slipped up and named Luigi by accident. Although I do wish Luigi for Brawl (especially if he comes in a different form than a mario clone) it just seems like we're getting excited about one little slip up, whether it's a slip-up of him getting 'confirmed', or it's a slip-up of him saying something by accident that he doesn't know for sure. I like how the roster's going guys and I'd want more characters as much as the next guy, but it's hard to say about many more characters for Brawl, if any.

I'd like to apologize for going off about Luigi too. I'm a Luigi main (who doesn't wavedash) and am very used to his clone form. But I stand by what I said. Luigi is meant to be a clone of Mario and should definately remain one, albeit one with more differences, in Brawl.

 

[ChronoBound]

I don't know, if brawl had 20 original characters don't you think only 3 more is a tad weak for a smash bros. sequel? That's VERY weak imo. I'd be highly upset, especially after waiting what, 6 years, for the sequel of one of my favorite games. And this is coming from a person that thinks 40 characters is unlikely.

At the very least we will be getting 32 characters with unique movesets (not including all of Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon separately).

 

[TheMastermind]

Sakuri said that he wanted to make around 20 playable characters in Melee.
There were 26 characters with different stats and move speeds and strengths.

He said in Japanese that SamariPanda translated that for Brawl he was aiming for about 40 characters.
The actual number thought of in Melee was increaced by more than 25% from 20 to 26
In Brawl, if you increace the number by 25% that makes 50 playable characters.

Easly there will be 50 playable characters.

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

The old Japanese Melee site.

Point it out please.

 

[ChronoBound]

Sakuri said that he wanted to make around 20 playable characters in Melee.
There were 26 characters with different stats and move speeds and strengths.

He said in Japanese that SamariPanda translated that for Brawl he was aiming for about 40 characters.
The actual number thought of in Melee was increaced by more than 25% from 20 to 26
In Brawl, if you increace the number by 25% that makes 50 playable characters.

Easly there will be 50 playable characters.

He never said this, especially not the 40 character part.

 

[volbound1700]

Ok, Sorry to come in late, but I posted a long while back and I want to defend myself. My point was. A lot of the characters in Melee were clones. Sakurai said he wanted to get rid of clones in Brawl. If you get rid of the clones in Melee then you get a lot less characters. So 23 characters that are all original would be totally agreeable to me. That's my two cents. I don't care how you're gonna twist my statements anymore, please deposit your crap somewhere else.

I don't understand your logic at all.

I would rather there be 35 characers clone or not then 25 characters.

 

[Byron X]

I seriously doubt 50 characters.

 

[notftomearth7]

I thought that's what Melee did too...


ANYWAY, in my opinion, the uneven newcomers to veterans ratio makes it clear that we're only getting the starting roster and we're gonna get a ****load of Veterans

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Also, the clones were not really clones. Sure, their wireframes were similar (if not identical in some instances), but all the "clones" played totally different from one another. I literally see Ganondorf/Falcon and Fox/Falco as nothing alike. Mario/Doc and Link/YLink are more similar, but they still have unique characteristics.

I am all for more characters.

 

[soviet prince]

If it's = to or lower then then melee's roster then I will be disapointed.

 

[ChronoBound]

If it's = to or lower then then melee's roster then I will be disapointed.

It won't be. 32 is the absolute minimum at this point.

 

[xbrinkx]

To tell the truth, I'm all for more characters. I wouldn't mind clones and my logic is that Sakurai said he wanted to get rid of clones in Brawl. So...Yah. Hey I noticed one thing. Wouldn't pokemon trainer count as 3 characters added? So the actual list of characters right now is 25. So if Shiek and one more character make it in we'll have more characters than Melee and have no clones.

 

[Lemon Drop]

I believe secret characters have already been shown the dojo without us knowing.

As for a character amount, I hoping for 30+

 

[Boofer]

I believe secret characters have already been shown the dojo without us knowing.

As for a character amount, I hoping for 30+

There's no need to hope for over 30, because we are definitely getting over 30. I hope for at least 35.

 

[luckycharmstrixme12]

I think 28-32 would be a reasonable amount.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

I really don't think AC and DS will get characters. Plus characters like Sonic and Snake may be unlockables, along with others, Dedede was mentioned, I also think maybe Wario and/or Lucas.

 

[xbrinkx]

I think 28-32 would be a reasonable amount.

Yah. I think 2 more characters would help people complaining about it and exceed the amount of characters in Brawl. I think 28-32 might be spot on. But you know Sakurai.

 

[luckycharmstrixme12]

Yah. I think 2 more characters would help people complaining about it and exceed the amount of characters in Brawl. I think 28-32 might be spot on. But you know Sakurai.

Yeah two more characters would be good
I mean I would like a lot of characters
But I think people who think 50+ is going to happen are going to be disappointed with the game
I am trying to set a standard for myself that is between my imagination and reality
So this way
I can be excited for the more amount of characters
But not be letdown by reality.

 

[soviet prince]

yeah reality hurts sometimes

 

[KJC2004]

August: 3 newcomers
September: no newcomers, some vets
October: 3 newcomers
November: ???

the world may never know

 

[Big-Cat]

How do you guys think we'll have only that many? Look, we have a storyline, a gigantic music library, ATs, trophies, online modes, stage builders, and STICKERS. Obviously, this game is going to have a lot of characters. I cannot see how they would put a majority of their resources into other stuff like that and not into the characters.

 

[luckycharmstrixme12]

Maybe instead of focusing just on new characters
They are trying to add new modes to make it new and exciting
But still
New characters is one of the three things that I looking forward to
(The most)
I'm stumpedd

 

[ChronoBound]

Maybe instead of focusing just on new characters
They are trying to add new modes to make it new and exciting
But still
New characters is one of the three things that I looking forward to
(The most)
I'm stumpedd

That's what I think the delay was for, to polish up the main game, not to add more stuff.

 

[Rx-]

27 seems a bit big for the starting roster. I think we might have seen the last of pre-brawl newcomer updates.

 

[luckycharmstrixme12]

I guess 25 Starting
37 all together

 

[luckycharmstrixme12]

Actaully not 25
Maybe 20
I don't think that there is only 12 unlockables.

 

[Super Smash Master]

I bet there COULD be 50 characters, because Sakurai said this is probably the last smash game and he wants to please most fans. I get there will be about 40-45 though. 30 just seems low. Melee doubled the roster from 64. I bet Brawl will do the same. So many characters have potential anyway.

 

[luckycharmstrixme12]

Sakurai said this is probably the last smash game and he wants to please most fans. .

Can you please give me a link to where this was said?