JabbatheHutt
The Kingpin of the Outer Rim
patched or not hes still the freaking best character and wont change how good he is.
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Wario momentum glitch
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Doctor Destructo
Smash Journeyman
At its absolute worst, Wario's vectoring ability makes it possible for him to survive any hit that does not kill him outright. In other words, it makes him relatively ungimpable.
Now, with Wario's beastly recovery options (which have only been buffed thanks to the removal of Bike's cooldown, you can just pull one out as soon as the first is removed entirely from the field) making him die from anything that doesn't rocket him out of the stage is already a tough endeavor. Your best bet to get him like that is to spike him, probably twice, since his vertical recovery is a bit lacking. His vectoring ability cannot stop spiking (unless I'm mistaken) so nothing's changed there.
As well, with all the generous recovery in Smash 4, a glitch that improves recovery ability is the least game-breaking type there can be, you have plenty of characters that have guaranteed recovery from nearly any direction if you're not killing them, Wario is not special there. I'd say he still doesn't have the best survivability in the game even with the vectoring.
Now, with Wario's beastly recovery options (which have only been buffed thanks to the removal of Bike's cooldown, you can just pull one out as soon as the first is removed entirely from the field) making him die from anything that doesn't rocket him out of the stage is already a tough endeavor. Your best bet to get him like that is to spike him, probably twice, since his vertical recovery is a bit lacking. His vectoring ability cannot stop spiking (unless I'm mistaken) so nothing's changed there.
As well, with all the generous recovery in Smash 4, a glitch that improves recovery ability is the least game-breaking type there can be, you have plenty of characters that have guaranteed recovery from nearly any direction if you're not killing them, Wario is not special there. I'd say he still doesn't have the best survivability in the game even with the vectoring.
Not sure if it's the right place or if it's already been discovered, but I'll post this here.
90% sure that if you put more speed on wario via equiptment, he goes farther. Correct me if I'm wrong
Also, even though wario is slow during hitstun, he flies away at regular speed if shadow (assistant trophy) is being used on wario.
90% sure that if you put more speed on wario via equiptment, he goes farther. Correct me if I'm wrong
Also, even though wario is slow during hitstun, he flies away at regular speed if shadow (assistant trophy) is being used on wario.
Shmebulock
Smash Cadet
Hey now, you Jigglypuffs have been flying since the 90s...
(jk)
Riposte__
Smash Apprentice
It boggles my mind that you can justify having a character that can live to crazy high % against 38 characters because 2 characters have 1 guarantee K.O. agianst him. That is not balance.
Not sure if anyone already mentioned this but the momentum glitch doesn't actually allow wario to survive attacks that would've killed him
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Slow down. Name the characters who do not live to crazy high %. I play Link who always has a bad to mediocre recovery, but I live forever in Sm4sh. So, it only goes up from there: every character (Little Mac aside) has an amazing recovery. That is not unique to Wario at all.
That said, you still seem dead set that Wario is automatically unbeatable. I have heard precisely zero complaints of Wario being OP in For Glory. I don't know of any Wario players dominating tournaments. Do you? Is Wario climbing the charts since the announcement of the glitch? For all I know, you learned about the glitch and immediately called for its ban without metrics to go off of. If no one is winning with Wario, why ban it? Even if Wario start winning, it still isn't worthy of a ban. It has to become a black hole of a strategy to where not picking Wario is a losing strategy.
JabbatheHutt
The Kingpin of the Outer Rim
Um Ive ehard of a few tournaments were warios been dominating, but its not due to the glitch. Hes legitimately a great character!
With the exception of Rosalina, thats a rough MU
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His momentum glitch doesn't make his vectoring any stronger; my TripleD bair will still kill Wario at 150ish%, regardless of the glitch.
It only makes edgeguarding him that much harder, impossible even, but he was already extremely hard to edgeguard to begin with, even moreso with his turbo waft custom special.
I honestly don't see this glitch as being game breaking.
Colin Steele
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Yeah, some of you dudes need to chill out. I've been playing Wario a lot lately and honestly, allowing him a little better recovery is pretty much negligible. If you hit him too far to the side he can just Bike-recover, and otherwise, if you have half a brain, you'll watch for where he's "Wectoring." Seriously if you can show me a video of a Wario abusing this against a skilled player, then I'll concede that it should be patched.
That being said, I think Wario needs all the advantages he can get, while he's seen a few buffs, I think he's also seen plenty of nerfs. His jab barely manages to connect both hits most times, and his nair has some weird sour spots. There's also that grab-release that I've experienced a few times against Sheik. That **** isn't fun.
Anyway, the horse is probably dead, but no. It shouldn't need a patch.
That being said, I think Wario needs all the advantages he can get, while he's seen a few buffs, I think he's also seen plenty of nerfs. His jab barely manages to connect both hits most times, and his nair has some weird sour spots. There's also that grab-release that I've experienced a few times against Sheik. That **** isn't fun.
Anyway, the horse is probably dead, but no. It shouldn't need a patch.
Wiley
Dreamer
Full of gas = Full of float.
No glitch has ever looked so fitting to me for some weird reason. It's an amazing option, and can lead to kill set ups but the longer this plays out the less OP this will feel. It's just a new option for the character who already has 3 moves to recover. Just think of him as a Peach or any of the other floats and it's a pretty damn cool addition. Especially since it's only abusable when you actually get hit.
If you want to point the patch stick at something that looks really wrong, point it at Yoshi. Teleporting from the middle of the stage back to the ledge (although obviously telegraphed and punishable if you can find the easy window) just looks and feels bad. Where as this glitch couldn't feel better.
No glitch has ever looked so fitting to me for some weird reason. It's an amazing option, and can lead to kill set ups but the longer this plays out the less OP this will feel. It's just a new option for the character who already has 3 moves to recover. Just think of him as a Peach or any of the other floats and it's a pretty damn cool addition. Especially since it's only abusable when you actually get hit.
If you want to point the patch stick at something that looks really wrong, point it at Yoshi. Teleporting from the middle of the stage back to the ledge (although obviously telegraphed and punishable if you can find the easy window) just looks and feels bad. Where as this glitch couldn't feel better.
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Heh. Yeah, who's to say this is a glitch? Maybe Nintendo did this on purpose!
Wiley
Dreamer
With the years of playtesting and tweaking it's way to hard for me to believe this isn't the case, especially considering how easy it is to do, and how much it happened at a very small scale for me without even knowing about it when I first started messing around with him. Or if anyone did find it, they were smart to keep it hush. The flavor is too real.
:D
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deakolt
Smash Rookie
Wectoring: Is it even a glitch? Seems like something the developers may have intended. It fits Wario and his moveset, it's only usable for certain hits (i.e. why can't you use it when you get spiked).
I'm waiting to see whether Nintendo is going to do anything about it before I start training really hard.
I'm waiting to see whether Nintendo is going to do anything about it before I start training really hard.
Well, he's not agile on the ground, so...
Kit Cal-N
Smash Ace
This arguing about "should this be patched because it's gamebreaking?" when it's really "was this intentional?"
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People refer to anything undesirable in this game as a "glitch".
i play a lot of wario, mained him in brawl and hes usually my alternate in 3ds.
Never performed this glitch myself for some reason, never even knew it existed. I just faced a wario as a DK and he did it all-the-time. He even used it to get in position for a counterattack.
Once or twice i assume its just a fluke. He did it literally every time i sent him further than arm's reach from me.
Whole time in sitting here going "dafuq...?" lol
Never performed this glitch myself for some reason, never even knew it existed. I just faced a wario as a DK and he did it all-the-time. He even used it to get in position for a counterattack.
Once or twice i assume its just a fluke. He did it literally every time i sent him further than arm's reach from me.
Whole time in sitting here going "dafuq...?" lol
Not fully confirmed, but apparently the glitch is removed in the Wii U version.
http://smashboards.com/threads/i-re...o-for-you-all-ama.376850/page-4#post-17949165
http://smashboards.com/threads/i-re...o-for-you-all-ama.376850/page-4#post-17949165
andalsoandy
Smash Lord
toadster101
Banned via Warnings
I can confirm that this is true. Sucks, but Wario is still a good character. It's not like his recovery was BAD in the first place.
Trekkerjoe
Smash Journeyman
Looks like we will no longer see a wector-into waft combo... On the bright side, I may take him up. I have been avoiding the glitchy characters altogether since they would likely be patched. I don't want to find myself relying on a bug just to find it was gone the next weekend...
Well the glitch is officially gone as of patch 1.04. It was fun while it lasted.
Dilaray199
Smash Rookie
R.I.P Glitch
I will miss you...
I will miss you...
Strider_Bond00J
Smash Champion
They shouldn't have done that... 
Please bring it back...
Please bring it back...
JabbatheHutt
The Kingpin of the Outer Rim
And yet the grab release animation is still here. Goddamnit
SonicZeroX
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Nope, it's gone now. Mac can't combo grab release into KO punch at all.