Walgreens Mafia - DRAW game - The mod ****ed up pretty bad...=/

[Jim Morrison]

So uhm, since I was/am basically at L-1 or either lynched, I guess a claim is now expected from me? Since lynch should be in 1 day, I guess I'd reluctantly claim to save us last minute hassle ._.

I've got a chemistry test in an hour, I'll come back in two and a half hours, if people request of me to claim, I'll claim, if not, I guess I won't!

 

[Jim Morrison]

Bolded is probably why I'm having such a hard time understanding as I usually do when people get a tad dense because combined with the fact I can be ditzy a lot haha.

I'd like uhm...hmm....er....well...about that.

I can't really think of anyone before JM. I have like RR has a suspicion and Rajam is a clustermess i am trying to figure out. Gorf is town due to vig claim, I don't really think he is indy. Ghebbers is town and Same with Asdioh just on a more lesser note. TB is leaning town and then I think that's everyone. Well there is AA who is flat out null with nothing to go and could deffo be scum.

Basically it goes like this atm: JM>AA/RR>Rajam>TB>Asdioh>Gheb>Gorf>J

So it seems that kind of helped me put my vote into perspective for toDay haha so thank you very much for that question TB! xD

Vote: Jim Morrison

Wow at you, not until after 2 others vote me, you decide that I'm back on top of the lynching block again.

Must I remind you of this post, made THIRTY minutes before you posted that lynch list. So when Gorf and TB vote me, SUDDENLY I become suspicious again. This isn't gonna fly hombre.

unvote
I'm gonna admit, I guess, that my push wasn't exactly strong but more of a gut read I tried to follow up. If you said you're going to be more active, I GUESS I'd be okay with that.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Bolded is probably why I'm having such a hard time understanding as I usually do when people get a tad dense because combined with the fact I can be ditzy a lot haha.

I'd like uhm...hmm....er....well...about that.

I can't really think of anyone before JM. I have like RR has a suspicion and Rajam is a clustermess i am trying to figure out. Gorf is town due to vig claim, I don't really think he is indy. Ghebbers is town and Same with Asdioh just on a more lesser note. TB is leaning town and then I think that's everyone. Well there is AA who is flat out null with nothing to go and could deffo be scum.

Basically it goes like this atm: JM>AA/RR>Rajam>TB>Asdioh>Gheb>Gorf>J

So it seems that kind of helped me put my vote into perspective for toDay haha so thank you very much for that question TB! xD

Vote: Jim Morrison

Wow at you, not until after 2 others vote me, you decide that I'm back on top of the lynching block again.

Must I remind you of this post, made THIRTY minutes before you posted that lynch list.

Barely pushing that slot now due to much more desirable targets have come into sights. =3

So when Gorf and TB vote me, SUDDENLY I become suspicious again. This isn't gonna fly hombre.

unvote
I'm gonna admit, I guess, that my push wasn't exactly strong but more of a gut read I tried to follow up. If you said you're going to be more active, I GUESS I'd be okay with that.



Reposted to clear up the quote

 

[~ Gheb ~]

gheb, if i promise to be much more active (i will be), does that move me from being your top lynch pick?

No comment.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Sorry to have a side-note but this game feels REALLY hollow for a game that's 38 pages long.

Yeah, this is really going nowhere. I feel like I'm the only one who's doing anything ... I don't trust you at all. Just because I can see where you're coming from doesn't mean your playerslot feels completely off to me.

But most people still play this game the way I told them not to. Nobody is coming forth with their reads or offers any insight. It's always "but why do you think X" or "I disagree with your read on Y" with no alternate options being offered.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

so, things i want to see from gheb:
-actual reasoning behind wanting my lynch
-an explanation of how much my miller claim play and my inactivity factor into his wanting my lynch
-an explanation of why rajam's post made him like his vote on me even more
-a defense of his town stance on JM

1.) Just because you don't accept it / agree with it doesn't mean I didn't give it.
2.) Not much, if at all.
3.) All these redundant questions ... I felt a lot of that post confirmed what I thought but didn't post at that time.
4.) Can't defend what I don't have -.-

 

[~ Gheb ~]

SDO, you answered none of my questions. I also start to dislike you because you're actively killing this game.

Unvote Vote Rajam

Probably the only solution for toDay that everybody could agree with. At this point you guys are so avaricious with reads that I'm essentially just hoping for a cop result toMorrow to give us something to work with while eradicating the question marks out of this game one by one.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm curious to ask who do you like this game Gheb? I can't recall a single town-read. You distrust me, yet agree with me. You distrust TB a lot. You are starting to distrust Asdioh. You distrust Gorf for killing WL. You distrust Rajam but I can't really recall as to why. You distrust AA for inactivity. You distrust JM but don't want him lynched toDay. The only one I can think of you not saying you have a dislike for is RR but you did say you can see him as scum with TB and TB is like your biggest scum-pick.

I mean is it really only yourself you trust so far this game? =/

@JM: That's not really a fair point because I voted you and got ninja'd by Gorf. So technically there was only one vote on you and TB's question, as I explained, enlightened me to my opinon. Plus I explained why I wasn't voting RR anyways and that response was to what I was doing when Asdioh asked me.


Grrrr who to go for now that Rajam is on the table. There is the person with concrete stuff against them or my gut w.r.t. Rajam. Probably leaning JM because I have more substance/reason to push him over Rajam which is just turning more and more into an enigma.

 

[#HBC | J]

I support a claim out of JM so we can figure things out considering this is our last full day to do so. Not having a NL because tomorrow would be exactly like it is today minus someone though I am having trouble seeing who the heck would die considering everyone has suspicion on them by someone. =x There's like not one TOWN OMG person.

 

[#HBC | J]

But most people still play this game the way I told them not to. Nobody is coming forth with their reads or offers any insight. It's always "but why do you think X" or "I disagree with your read on Y" with no alternate options being offered.

I'm gonna call generalization on this. I am not playing this way and fully am offering insight with my right/suggesting who do go after but I get your frustration with people not doing anything with their own. Rajam/Asdioh/AA/RR are major culprits. Gorf/JM are kind of in the same boat as to providing insight w.r.t. things and then there is J/Gheb/TB who are giving the expected amount for the most part.

Overall, this game isn't looking too bright and needs more participation. T.T

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I have no town reads in this game so far.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I so hate Rajam and AA this game. I keep having doubts about wether or not to claim because I've no idea what those two are up to. Rajam, I guess he'd still lynch me for his suspicion, AA will happily jump on the lynch... But then again they are inactive for about 1000 hours?

 

[T-block]

gheb i hate you

 

[T-block]

1.) Just because you don't accept it / agree with it doesn't mean I didn't give it.
2.) Not much, if at all.

requote it at least if you don't want to explain any further. it's not about not agreeing with your reasoning - it's that i literally do not know what your reasoning is

3.) All these redundant questions ... I felt a lot of that post confirmed what I thought but didn't post at that time.

rajam said that scum was more likely to have wanted to lynch kantrip than WL. i made it very clear that i wanted to lynch WL. HOW DOES THAT "CONFIRM" ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO ME BEING SCUM

4.) Can't defend what I don't have -.-

vvv

Bussing means throwing your own scummate under the bus.
Like everybody openly suspected you toDay.
Scum is not in a situation where bussing helps them.
Thus atm I don't think you're scum.

defend your reasoning. consider the explanation that town members set up JM as the most likely lynch early on in the Day, and that JM's scummates did not think it worth it to directly oppose the lynch. why is this not plausible?

 

[T-block]

i support a JM claim

 

[Jim Morrison]

Welp, fair enough, since lynch seems to be heading my way.

I am Town Cop.

Night 1 I tried to investigate WL, with the same intentions as Gorf shooting him. This is also why I went with lynching Kantrip over WL. If WL was actually bulletproof and I could confirm him, we'd have a confirmed townie that couldn't be killed. I'll take that over Kantrip shenanigans.

This is also why I played a bit conservatively D1, to not attract a nightkill, and D2 also, since I still wasn't forced to claim and it looked like lynch wasn't shifting my way anymore, phew. Too bad.

This brings me back to:

I don't need to explain it, you can evidently see it too.
Gorf made his decision based on his role. You're looking for our decisions, possibly based on our role. I can see the town intent behind you asking it, but I don't think going down that path would be productive.

Rajam seemed to be fishing for my PR, at least from my PoV. I had literally no other explanation than wanting to get confirmed BP townie. This was my main incentive to lynch Kantrip. As I figured it, Gorf's reason to lynch Kantrip was same as mine, except him claiming wouldn't compromise his position for town. I, however, am now in a pretty dire position :\.

So yeah, I'm cop, no result yet.

I got my last 2 tests tomorrow but a ***** **** load of book reports to finish before/on friday, so I won't actively look over the game once more before the deadline, I will however answer any incoming questions to the best of my ability :s.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Alright, can we lynch Rajam now?

 

[Asdioh]

I am Town Cop.

Dammit. This was 90% of why I was fighting against your lynch. You made it really obvious here:

Next up, the issue of Cop for the night. Maybe there's a cop, maybe there's not, but it might be a good idea to figure out which targets have priority.
Inactives always make this a ****ing pain, because now we have Mentos, July and Rajam, all very much in the investigation pool. Personally, I would still favor copping WL over them, since WL claims to be Bulletproof, and we'd have an unkillable confirmed townie, something I'd be glad to have. If not, we hit scum, something that seems a very fair deal in my opinion. This is also part of the reason why I'd not want to lynch WL.

Next would be Mentos. July is getting a replacement, so I'll leave her out. Mentos is outright not posting and claiming to be more helpful D2, but I call bull****.

Then there's Rajam, the big question mark though somewhat redeemed himself as town. I can't really see scum playing like him so he's a bit low on the list.

I want to know what you all think of the cop issue.

I've been new to a PR enough times that I know the desire to "subtly" ask about what I should do with it during the Night phase.



Red_Ryu - don't want to lynch him. He's not been very helpful lately, but his play got marginally better from the time I thought it was weird, and the miller claim still stands out as town.

Rajam - he's done practically nothing toDay. I don't really want to lynch him, but I can't fight this lynch. He's already claimed VT. He was one of my strongest townreads D1 "too uncaring about looking scummy to be scum" but if you guys don't agree with my own scumreads, then go for it.

Jim Morrison - cop! No **** guys

T-block - don't want to lynch him, gtfo gheb

Gheb_01 - keeps saying "I don't like x, y, players" and then puts his vote on someone else, oftentimes an easy target like Rajam. He's been pretty null to me most of the game, but now I'm not liking his play. Would strongly suggest copping.

Gorf - vig

AsianAussie - scum! hard to pull up much evidence since he hasn't done anything.

J - scum! Reasons given early D2, nothing he's done since then has changed much.




If we're lynching a question mark, I maintain that it would better be AA over Rajam.

 

[T-block]

._______________.

unvote

gheb wanna address my 1534?

 

[T-block]

oh i guess we're a day before deadline

rajam lynch is definitely something i can get on board with

vote: Rajam

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Unvote

If we're going to go off of AA/Rajam, I'm strongly considering shooting the other of the two that we don't lynch. I'd rather be in lylo with (decently) active players who I can get a read on than just having them around as a liability.

 

[Jim Morrison]

J, I see you. What are your thoughts? Are you going to shift to a Rajam lynch now?

 

[#HBC | J]

Gorf, please please please don't shoot the other of AA/Rajam UNLESS the person we lynch toDay flips scum then I'd say you can shoot who you please.

I'm planned to vote Rajam though I'm gonna double check the votes to see exactly where they are because he is either at L-2 or L-1.

 

[#HBC | J]

J, I see you. What are your thoughts? Are you going to shift to a Rajam lynch now?

Wow are you like a psychic? o_O"

I'd rather lynch Rajam>AA because Rajam actually has stuffs an interactions over AA which is purely a null-lynch. I know I said AA/RR>Rajam but I don't really see much benefit over Rajam in the scope of thingies.

 

[Rockin]

Day 2​

J (3) - Rajam, Adsioh, Gorf

T-Block (1) - Red Ryu

Jim Morrison (1) - J

Rajam (2) - Gheb, T-block

Not Voting - Asianaussie, Jim Morrison

With 9 players, it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is on Feb. 16 2012

MANY THING TO ADDRESS

1) I will be going out of state from today to sunday. I should have a computer to do this. Expect some sort of delays, and I request people not to speak AT ALL after the 16th (should I not find a computer)

2) the vote of 'doors' was invalid due to the fact that there is no player by the name of 'doors'

3) T-block, first of all, I thought I did sent you a prod PM. since I didn't, I can't count that as an official prod and would treat it as some sort of 'notification'. Also, I did an error on the last vote count and have updated it. for your convince, it shall me shown under this announcement.

4) to make this more fair, Rajam's prod would not be counted on the tally


Jim Morrison (1) - Gorf,

J (2) - Rajam, Adsioh

Red Ryu (1) - J

T-block (1) - Jim Morrison. Gheb

Not Voting - Asianaussie, T-block, Red Ryu,

 

[~ Gheb ~]

gheb wanna address my 1534?

Some time when my motivation comes back I will. For now just take it that my preferred play is lynching inactives ... even with JM outed.

Unvote

If we're going to go off of AA/Rajam, I'm strongly considering shooting the other of the two that we don't lynch. I'd rather be in lylo with (decently) active players who I can get a read on than just having them around as a liability.

No, you will not shoot toNight. If there are more than 2 deaths toNight ... you're next in line.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Some time when my motivation comes back I will. For now just take it that my preferred play is lynching inactives ... even with JM outed.

And by that I mean "lynching inactives and let the cop give us the info ... even with JM outed".

 

[#HBC | J]

Yeah, I'm coming to the conclusion I am pretty much done with this day phase because we just need something since D1 was a cluster and now that we have a copper we might actually get somewhere.

Vote: Rajam

L-2

 

[#HBC | J]

EBWOP: Woooooops, forgot to unvote.

Unvote
Vote: Rajam

 

[Rajam]

just making sure i have your reasoning correct:

you think scum would have chosen to lynch kantrip, because it would have led to a "free" lynch on the BP the following Day?

i'm not sure i follow... if that was the goal of scum, and D1 was already down to WL and Kantrip anyways, why not lynch WL instead and get the lynch that way?

Yes

? Because Kantrip would've produced the 2x1 combo: lynch Kantrip D1 -> flips town and everyone knows there is no way he could've guessed WL's role -> lynch WL D2

---

I'm traveling tomorrow like 900 km so I'll be V/LA all day. Full-reading mode now

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Unvote

@Gheb no. If we go the inactive route, we're going the inactive route.

 

[#HBC | J]

Unvote

@Gheb no. If we go the inactive route, we're going the inactive route.

.....? Do you mean AA/RR? Rajam is very close third to them.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I mean AA/Rajam. I dont see RR as scum.

 

[#HBC | J]

So why I are you disagreeing with Gheb if he is voting Rajam? Maybe I lost something in this convo somewhere.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Wow wtf I keep forgetting about RR. Please let's just lynch somebody <_<

 

[#HBC | J]

Wow wtf I keep forgetting about RR. Please let's just lynch somebody <_<

I share your sentiments. I keep having to double check the playerlist to remind myself who is in it for people like RR/AA. xD

 

[Rajam]

Nobody considers the possiblity of T, Ryu or SDO being scum? I don't like where this game is going. JM tunneling has dropped like everybody else off the radar.

Remote. Only game-changing stuff (ie, cop guilty, caught in a lie, etc.) would make me change my read on any of those three, or make me look at them more than I'm currently looking at aa, J, JM tbh

 

[Rajam]

@J, Rajam

Let's discuss the possibility of Tblock / Ryu being scum together. Why / Why not?

Only with a cop guilty on T-block, or if both JM and J flip town, then I would seriously start to re-evaluate them as well as all the rest of the players. My lynch pool is reduced since I have several strong town reads (RR, T-block, Gorf, Asdioh, Gheb, more or less in that order but all strong reads)

 

[#HBC | J]

Hey Rajam, not to spoil your read with spoilers but JM claimed Cop but has no results. =x

 

[#HBC | J]

I really have to say it is hard for me to believe you could possibly have so many town-reads in a game like this. =/