Walgreens Mafia - DRAW game - The mod ****ed up pretty bad...=/

[#HBC | J]

Holy ****, reading through all of this knowing that Kantrip is town is almost tragicomical. Homie was actually serious with what he posted all the time

Gorf reeks of SK tbh

That's exactly why I said it made for a really fun read. xD

 

[#HBC | J]

I've learned that tunneling someone into oblivion after 1/4 of the playerlist has flipped town is a good way to win.

Not saying I'm sure on any JM read right now, I'm not. But I think Gorf should at least consider other options.

Asdioh, gimme thoughts. Which way are you leaning towards for the lynch? Do you still feel Rajam is town and shouldn't be lynched?

What about the two quiet people RR/AA? For me, one is leaning scum and the other is leaning town. Which way do they lean for you?

Gorf is town right? =x

 

[Jim Morrison]

Gorf is town yeah, I just dislike his rushy style.

 

[#HBC | J]

Sooooooo JM, if your main attacker is town for you, who is scum then? Where do you see your vote going and who should be lynched over yourself?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Adisoh, Rajam or AsianAussie.

 

[Asdioh]

Where I stand right now is that I don't want to lynch Gorf, T-block, or Rajam.
The rest, I'm not sure yet.

 

[#HBC | J]

AA? Where did that suspicion come from? o.o

I also don't remember Asdioh suspicion from you so can you help me see your side of that?

If you have that many scum-picks JM, why is your vote not on any of them?

 

[#HBC | J]

Where I stand right now is that I don't want to lynch Gorf, T-block, or Rajam.
The rest, I'm not sure yet.

Well that's good you have people you wanna lynch but I wanna know who you do wanna lynch duder. =P

Gimme 2-3 names you are willing to lose.

 

[#HBC | J]

EBWOP: "Don't wanna lynch" sorry messed up the wording there.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

It should not be telling that I'm active and read fast, deal with it.

I'm not convinced that English is your first language, knowing you're from the Netherlands you're most probably best affiliated with Dutch, and I'm thinking it'd be reeeeeally difficult to completely let that be read, sunk in, and convincing, and giving you enough time to express your being convinced... But that's neither here nor there, and that's not concrete so I digress.

The fact that I was convinced, because my eyes weren't pointing at Sokr at all, I was a bit busy with T-block, who was almost lynched.

I'm sorry, usually when I'm pursuing a scum read, I'm not so flimsy that I totally shift my vote and attention to somebody else within a matter of two minutes, cuz according to you you needed convincing that Sokr was scum ehh? It's amazing how that one post almost completely made you gravitate toward Sokr.

The fact that I voted Sokr with Gheb, initially wasn't his scumminess, I just figured Sokr needed motivation to do something, so I pressure-voted him.

Pressure vote? Pressure vote? If it was a pressure vote, you would've spent more time looking at your scum reads. Instead, you

1) Call Sokr out for a noobscum slip you say you found.
2) Badger AA for not skimming/not remembering something.
3) ***** at Rajam, being annoyed he's not caught up (doesn't even count as scum hunting), and
4) Made a read list leading up to your Sokr case.

So good try, but that was intended to be way more than just some pressure vote.

And after reading into him, he actually did seem like a very likely candidate for NoobScum! Also, in this argument you're making it seem like Gheb's case was what convinced me to put Sokr in red. Obviously you saw that I made the post after that, drawing my own conclusions after looking at him.

I'm sorry if it wasn't clear. I'm trying to make it seem like your desire to shift your attention from TBlock (which you probz ended thinking was a flimsy read to have, seeing how you abandoned it over time) is what prompted you to make Sokr your only read in red.

Also, a page and a half (you're 40 ppp) is 60 posts, in which a lot happened.

No not really ._.

On the bolded: Lol, stupid conclusion and you're just saying it to make me look bad and not an actual point. My read on T-block changed back everytime he posted somewhat better, and also, his failed gambits make me believe he's town somewhat more, but maybe more on that later. Rajam is still someone I would've HAPPILY lynched, and Today still, but I don't think we can afford to use our lynch on an inactive slot. If there's a cop to clear him, that would be lovely.

Actually the bolded's pretty legit going from a Doors scum PoV, and the exact same thing can be said about backing out of Sokr when you side with Gheb on a Kantrip scum read later on in the game. Funny you bring up the TBlock admitting to the gambit crap, cuz that actually happened the page before (or higher on the same page (40ppp)) the whole Gheb finding Sokr scum incident... Yet your only expression of the feel for his play being better after the coming out as a gambit thing is in your full reads list, which was well after the incident.

You had better not tunnel vision on me and look at this objectively.

You had better not coach me on how to play the game to look like you're doing townie stuff

Okay, I'm going to grant you this point, near the end of the Day, I did play weakly, but I kind of lost interest for the Day and really just wanted a lynch to happen. 14 days for 1 Day is too long in my opinion :s.

But, ya see, it's WASN'T just near the end of the Day. All game was spent with you just laying low and trying to look active while not really poking your head out too much. People say they couldn't really remember much of what I did? I had to reread to remember that you had a TBlock and Rajam scum read, and the only things I had remembered were that you too Kantrip and Sokr scum reads right after Gheb.

Also, you can't blame me for switching to Kantrip after how he played the terrorist role for faaaar too long. That wasn't opportunistic, it was literally the logical lynch to me.

It was as opportunistic as your Sokr switch... Actually how did you come to the conclusion that Kantrip deserved death more than Sokr, even after Kantrip revealed he was gambitting catching a BP crumb from Laundry?

Any requests for me?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Holy crap ninjas galore.

 

[T-block]

gorf you're reaching =\

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gorf, who are you looking at if JM flips town then? Would you be willing to lynch someone like Rajam today? Can you also clarify if which way you are leaning on your Gheb read? The way I am reading it is lean-scum.

I'll cross that bridge when I get there, I'm NOT willing to lynch Rajam toDay so long as he keeps the play up that he's been keeping up so far (if it's not clear I like his play toDay), and I'm alright with Gheb town for now.

gorf you're reaching =\

I'm really not.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

What about the two quiet people RR/AA? For me, one is leaning scum and the other is leaning town. Which way do they lean for you?

I actually forgot about these two.

@Mod request prod on Ruy and AA

 

[#HBC | J]

gorf you're reaching =\

I'm sorry Gorf but I have to agree with TB here. I think JM is scum but a couple of the points you are using against him are a bit of a reach because it seems you have hit that mode of tunnel-head JM is DEFFO scum like you got a guilty on him.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Adisoh, Rajam or AsianAussie.

You know whose reads are really similar to these, sans the Rajam read?

I'm sorry Gorf but I have to agree with TB here. I think JM is scum but a couple of the points you are using against him are a bit of a reach because it seems you have hit that mode of tunnel-head JM is DEFFO scum like you got a guilty on him.

*sigh* You may be right... But yea this just feels like Utrick'd 2 or D Gray. I mean I'm not done looking at JM but I'll try to be less tunnel vision (let the record show he's my MAIN priority).

 

[#HBC | J]

Well let me help you out then. ^^

Gimme your next two in line to acquire your attention if JM is not in the equation at the moment. You don't wanna have Rajam/Gheb lynched it seems so let me know how you feel about TB/AA.

 

[Asdioh]

*sigh* You may be right... But yea this just feels like Utrick'd 2 or D Gray. I mean I'm not done looking at JM but I'll try to be less tunnel vision (let the record show he's my MAIN priority).

*shudders at the mention of d.gray*

Anyway, I wasn't in utrick'd 2. How does this game "feel" like those two games to you?

 

[T-block]

I'm not convinced that English is your first language, knowing you're from the Netherlands you're most probably best affiliated with Dutch, and I'm thinking it'd be reeeeeally difficult to completely let that be read, sunk in, and convincing, and giving you enough time to express your being convinced... But that's neither here nor there, and that's not concrete so I digress.

like gorf... what the hell is this. he clearly has enough competence in english to invalidate this point

I'm sorry, usually when I'm pursuing a scum read, I'm not so flimsy that I totally shift my vote and attention to somebody else within a matter of two minutes, cuz according to you you needed convincing that Sokr was scum ehh? It's amazing how that one post almost completely made you gravitate toward Sokr.

and not everyone plays like you do.

anyways, i think these two lines should be looked at closely:

You had better not tunnel vision on me and look at this objectively.

Any requests for me?

first quote is just one of several showing that he is very uncomfortable with the spotlight being on him. it's a plea to rationality that some might take as showing calm and composure, but could just as easily come from nervous scum.

i'm detecting panic in the second quote. he doesn't know what to do, so he invites questions so others can guide his defense. undecided whether this is actually a scum tell though. i could see inexperienced town doing this too.

 

[#HBC | J]

Vote: Jim Morrison

I think a claim out of him would be good to have at this point since this seems to be where everyone is agreeing on going for toDay even though others have like a second scum-pick everyone's major is JM.

 

[#HBC | J]

EBWOP: That's L-1 on JM, vote him and I'll be super upset. ;_;

 

[Asdioh]

J, unvote. What the hell.

 

[#HBC | J]

What's the matter with L-1, Asdioh? You have been cautious about that number all game. =/

 

[T-block]

unvote

consider it effectively l-1 if you will

 

[Asdioh]

What's the matter with L-1, Asdioh? You have been cautious about that number all game. =/

All game, every game. You seriously won't consider the possibility of a scum secret/double voter? Vote manipulator? Or maybe even an idiot accidentally hammering?
It's like, fresh into D2, and we're doing horribly on numbers. I still don't see where all this confidence on JM scum comes from. I know I'm not nearly confident enough to risk it.

 

[#HBC | J]

First two have no evidence to suggest as such on D2 and is just WIFOM to play in. The only one I will concede to is someone accidently hammering.

Asdioh, you still haven't answered my question regarding who you are willing to let go today but instead got caught up in votes. Tell us why you aren't that confident in JM scum if he is one of stronger reads.

 

[Asdioh]

Of course we have no evidence. Scum would hide such a role until an opportune time. It's better to be safe than sorry. Unless maybe you already know that scum doesn't have a double voter or anything of the sort?

I'd actually rather lynch you over JM atm because you're being willfully ignorant and stubborn, and J as town would be far more hesitant to put someone at L-1 the day after D2 starts after losing 3 townies to 0 scum in a 12 man game.

Vote: J

How's that for a stance?

 

[Asdioh]

oh, not to mention after just replacing in and apparently not being fully caught up. :|

 

[#HBC | J]

Willfully ignorant and stubborn? On what grounds besides me not unvoting because it's at L-1? It's finally a stance but you are just ignoring answering me and instead of just voting me.

Who says I'm not fully caught up? I am and I decided that it would be better to just scum-hunt instead of drowning with a reads posts when I've already been open with them.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Unlikely. Indy Gorf would've chosen to go against Sokr/WL, since he would've either flipped scum or BP. Saving him D1 for testing his BP claim N1 is a very town-vig action.

The play makes no sense since Gorf couldn't know for sure if WL was lying or not about the BP. Saving him for Night to NKill him was a risky thing to do as SK since it could've just wasted him a Night phase. SK would've wanted to just lynch WL since it was a safer thing to do taking into account the uncertainty between scum and BP. Same goes for Mafia.

So GorfSK had the following options:

- Kill Laundry and be the good guy for ridding us of a scummy town playerslot
- Kill Laundry and be the good guy for ridding us of a scumbag
- Hit Laundry's BP and be safe to claim Vig via not having "shot" anybody N1

Looks like GorfSK would've had a good reason to shoot Laundry regardless of the consequences. He's definitely a SK contender.

@Gheb and Jim Morrison: your reads on July/J?

Null. No idea why that playerslot gets so much pro-town credit.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Unvote

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Well let me help you out then. ^^

Gimme your next two in line to acquire your attention if JM is not in the equation at the moment. You don't wanna have Rajam/Gheb lynched it seems so let me know how you feel about TB/AA.

At the moment, if Doors is ABSOLUTELY not the play, I'd probz want to see either of you or one of the inactives dead. I have no scummy feel for (off the top of my head) Asdioh, Gheb, Rajam, TBlock, and kinda Red Ruy. ANYBODY else, if they had a wagon on em, I'd probz be fine with as a wagon. But yea I don't see this game going anywhere else aside from a Doors lynch atm.

*shudders at the mention of d.gray*

Anyway, I wasn't in utrick'd 2. How does this game "feel" like those two games to you?

I had such a strong scum feel for Inglorious ******* and Werekill, respectively, after thinking about it over Night and then reading back to check, and it was just the most solid of feels, and this is the same thing.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Someone can put a vote on Doors now that Gheblockhead unvoted em.

 

[Asdioh]

I had such a strong scum feel for Inglorious ******* and Werekill, respectively, after thinking about it over Night and then reading back to check, and it was just the most solid of feels, and this is the same thing.

I know that feel, I've had it before in multiple games. And then the hard part is getting people to actually listen to you, right?
Well, JM will be the one I pay attention to when I look over this game again.
/beinglazyrightnowdealwithit

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

like gorf... what the hell is this. he clearly has enough competence in english to invalidate this point

Ya know, reading the end of that paragraph really helps... As I said before I digress on that point.

and not everyone plays like you do.

It was a sarcastic way to say that I don't believe that line of bologna.

anyways, i think these two lines should be looked at closely:

first quote is just one of several showing that he is very uncomfortable with the spotlight being on him. it's a plea to rationality that some might take as showing calm and composure, but could just as easily come from nervous scum.

i'm detecting panic in the second quote. he doesn't know what to do, so he invites questions so others can guide his defense. undecided whether this is actually a scum tell though. i could see inexperienced town doing this too.

I like these points btw, the former moreso than the latter.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Vote: Jim Morrison

I think a claim out of him would be good to have at this point since this seems to be where everyone is agreeing on going for toDay even though others have like a second scum-pick everyone's major is JM.

Ya know you seem really comfortable going for Doors in this game for somebody who's not fully caught up

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

All game, every game. You seriously won't consider the possibility of a scum secret/double voter? Vote manipulator? Or maybe even an idiot accidentally hammering?
It's like, fresh into D2, and we're doing horribly on numbers. I still don't see where all this confidence on JM scum comes from. I know I'm not nearly confident enough to risk it.

It's posts like these that make me feel even more cool on Asdioh town for now.

 

[asianaussie]

decent case on JM, i remember reading a lot of it a while back and thinking 'hm, he's not taking very much independent action'

it's entirely probable JM is just the sort of player who waits for others' wagons before launching his own analysis or w/e, especially seeing as he's not voting now

i digress though, you may as well consider me on board when the time comes, but even if we did have his claim, i would consider it a bit early to be rushing for a lynch

Ya know you seem really comfortable going for Doors in this game for somebody who's not fully caught up

this is an ironic post

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Yea AA you really know how to make yourself a liability.

 

[Rockin]

Day 2​

Jim Morrison (2) - Gorf, J

J (2) - Rajam, Adsioh

Not Voting - Asianaussie, Gheb, T-block, Red Ryu, Jim Morrison

With 9 players, it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is on Feb. 16 2012