I feel there are some misunderstandings. Firstly, I am not putting anyone down by saying we are not top Wario players, this is the truth. I'm not saying you guys cannot discuss how to overcome a match-up or that your ideas are useless, you guys are just saying I am. I also never said top players need to physically make the match-up chart here, I just said their matches are the best thing we have to discovering the closest rating possible, they create the materials. I never attacked the way anyone worded their ideas or advice, so I don’t know why you’re accusing me of that either.
“I'd assume it's common sense to avoid randomly using the bite in the middle of the match, that'd be just too predictable, who even does that?” Axel311 seemed to have been implying doing this by stating how it beats Falcon’s dash grab and specials. The only way you can stuff an approach like this is by literally reading your opponent and throwing it out mid-match. The alternative is using it on a shielding opponent or covering ledge. If a newcomer reads, “Bite beats Falcon’s best approach option” they might think it’s a good idea to abuse it in matches as an approach trap. Don’t say new players wouldn’t do this, because they would. I’ll admit it was bad of me to make fun of Axel’s advice, but I was upset he started turning my words in my original comment. Maybe Axel311 didn’t mean to imply throwing bite out mid-match? But the way he says “Bite really annoys Falcon” makes me think he did, simply because if you just used chomp on shield and on ledge like you would against anyone else, chomp really wouldn’t annoy Falcon more than it does anyone else in the cast.
In the end, these things are all subject to change, I'm saying it, you're saying, and
Axel311
said it too, in fact he even said that most of the people shouldn’t be given much credibility. The only point I made was that I felt it would be more productive to discuss the actual match-ups, maybe even find things like % combos, edge-guarding options, or maybe test Wario's disjoints against the rest of the cast's, rather than focus on an arbitrary factor like a x:y rating. I wouldn't have encourage you guys to help lab out the match-ups if I didn't think you could do it.
Giving everyone a free voice is much better for metagame development because it encourages aspiring Wario mains to engage in intellectual discussion. While this isn't a valid reason for accepting us average joes to post here, at the very least, have a little faith in the Wario boards, we're all here to learn from each other.
Look, I didn't say people could not express their voice or engage in the discussion ( even if their opinion happens to be terrible), and it's not ok for you to say that I did just to make yourself come off as righteous. I just said that I personally feel
opinions on positive or negative match-ups should not be considered from random opinions when we could wait for results, and that there are multiple factors that could lead to error. I'm completely fine if this thread is ok with the idea of accepting a wrong rating list; however, I never once said people should not be able to post ways they think Wario can win a match-up.
If I could just ask, how did the rating for Wario vs. Luigi come about? Reading the thread most people agreed it was in Luigi's favor but the rating says otherwise. I could completely believe that Wario wins, goes even, or loses, but how did it get to where Wario wins? Who makes the final call? I'll be honest, I'm just afraid someone might see that Wario loses to a lot of characters and may not want to play him, or maybe they see Wario beats luigi and when they lose they think Wario's not right for them.