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If Sakurai is looking for characters who will be feasible in the long term, Anna and Avatar/Robin are pretty much at the forefront.
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Funny, I paired Nowi with Stahl in my game. Is this a common thing?Which reminds me of this comic though it doesn't pertain to the Avatar:
http://awkwardzombie.com/index.php?page=0&comic=040813
Nah... it isn'tFunny, I paired Nowi with Stahl in my game. Is this a common thing?
LOLOLOLOLOLNah... it isn't
...I think I missed the boat. What exactly did he do there? Is it common or not?LOLOLOLOLOL
I see what you did there.
I paired Nowi with Kellam (I almost forgot his name, how ironic).
And I paired Anna with myself. <3
Nah is Nowi's kid....I think I missed the boat. What exactly did he do there? Is it common or not?
Well, you believe that, this is solidly in the realm of opinion.Anna isn't particularly important to the series. Fire Emblem Awakening is the first time she was ever playable and you could go the entire game without playing the chapter she's recruited in. She only supports with the Avatar character (who supports with everyone) and Tiki, who is technically also another side character.
I see that she's recurring, but I don't really see the point in having her. There's so many more important Fire Emblem characters that have entire games created around them. I think it's better to have those instead.
Actually it's not much opinion at all. Think of it this way, if they were to take Anna as a character out of every single fire emblem game would it change the story at all? Absolutely not. But if you were to take the lords of every game or the villains of the game out it would change the whole story. Several side characters affect the story to a much greater scale than Anna also. In fact nearly every playable character in their respective games are more important than Anna in that game. In some games like path of radiance which I am currently playing you don't even see Anna unless you play on the easiest difficulty or look at the tutorials. She isn't important that's not opinion at all.Well, you believe that, this is solidly in the realm of opinion.
I firmly believe that the sum of all Anna's roles are greater than her parts, making her a believable contender against FE characters with their games built around them, with high future potential.
To be honest I'd like to have 5+ FE reps, though it is very unlikely, and if I'm forced to pick anyone it's Anna.
Other than Marth none of the lords are particularly important to the series either. You have one and come the next game the previous lord ceases to exist, otherwise every single lord would be a requirement but that's impossible. Anna unites the series and it's this potential they can see that she has over the lords.Anna isn't particularly important to the series. Fire Emblem Awakening is the first time she was ever playable and you could go the entire game without playing the chapter she's recruited in. She only supports with the Avatar character (who supports with everyone) and Tiki, who is technically also another side character.
I see that she's recurring, but I don't really see the point in having her. There's so many more important Fire Emblem characters that have entire games created around them. I think it's better to have those instead.
Actually it's not much opinion at all. Think of it this way, if they were to take Anna as a character out of every single fire emblem game would it change the story at all? Absolutely not. But if you were to take the lords of every game or the villains of the game out it would change the whole story. Several side characters affect the story to a much greater scale than Anna also. In fact nearly every playable character in their respective games are more important than Anna in that game. In some games like path of radiance which I am currently playing you don't even see Anna unless you play on the easiest difficulty or look at the tutorials. She isn't important that's not opinion at all.
She didn't really have any.Curious as to what Anna's support was pre- Brawl because she was still almost equally as ubiquitous as she is now.
You can't suspend your game without her either.You can't buy stuff without Anna.
Importance to the series proven.
Like I'm serious right now round of applause for that short novel you wrote. It's pretty trippy too I'm serious I might write a song with lyrics like this.I do not think of it that way, and no, it is in the realm of opinion. You speak of comparing Anna to the combination of every Lord in terms of story impact, and you speak of comparing her to the other side characters in the same manner, in both of which she undoubtedly loses. I am stuffing all of the Anna's and her roles in to one banner of Anna to which I direct my support, and in every case I compare this banner to one, single character. I do not consider what would happen if a class of character, such as lord, were removed, I consider if that singular character were removed and replaced, how would they stack against Anna?
As for her utility, though 'non-essential', She drives the DLC, tutorials, mercantile pursuits, etc, she is the most ubiquitous 'character' in the FE series, and these more than make up for her lack of support conversations and story impact. Technically, you don't even have to marry anyone save Chrom, or get Gaius or Tharja, or any of the children save Lucina, does that diminish their character? No, it merely boosts She is comparable to the other side characters in every way.
These are also the grounds on which I measure the Avatar also, though he is non-distinct and customizable (both of which hinder his chances slightly) and changes at each installment, he has the best of both being integral to the story, do not think that means he is not replaceable. Then in regard to The Avatar, she has a sort of distinct advantage, she bears none of the slight drawbacks MU has, her sisters, while distinct, can be rallied under one representative more easily.
Think of it this way. It's like you have a fighting game that pits inanimate objects against each-other. You have things from every area of possible thought, you have 1 rep from transportation, 1 rep from fighting etc. There are a few ways you can go about character selection, you can choose them on the impact they have on the history of man, you can choose them on their utilitarian ability.
You choose Impact on Man, it would look something like this: you pick The Wheel of Mesopotamia, The Sword of Turkey, The Computer of Silicon Valley, The Mill of Greece, The Hoe of Destiny, The Wright Brother's Plane, etc.
If you choose Utility OVER Impact on Man, you get nondescript things: The Wheel, The Sword, The Computer, and so on.
. . . And you don't pick The Gold Coin. Why, you say? "Oh, it never did anything important, it has nothing to do with economics, I mean, any monetary unit can be changed to something else, and we definitely can't put in 'The Non-Descript Monetary Unit.
Then why did you put in The Sword? Why not The Gun? "No reason." The Gold Coin was the old standard, faithful, recurring force of economics. It was THE money throughout most of human history. "Oh, but if you remove it, it won't have much impact." True, it won't have much impact if The Gold Coin never existed, it has no utilitarian value (for all intents, Gold in electronics are counted as in the electronic, and not separate), that is precisely because money is something that is chosen of social phenomena as a medium of exchange, it is non-distinct, and we would lose nothing. So, then, we should have no representative from Money at all? "Sure, fine, but I still want Paper Money, the newest and least replaceable recent addition to Economics (Chrom)." Okay, whatever, yeah, money is somehow not replaceable now, double standard central.
What if you combine the two? All of the sudden Utility becomes conjoined with History/Story, and The Gold Coin (Anna) bears a status as a viable contender with Paper Money (I'd say that's the Truly Unique Robin/MU/Avatar right there) and EVERYTHING else (Chrom, Lucina). In effect, she is the least easily replaceable character in FE that cannot be dealt away with as such going forward to any future installment, even moreso because of her deep root in nearly every game, gold was only replaced because the institutions of man CHOSE so, also, paper money is JUST AN IOU for gold (at least it was at one point), as such she is instituted by IS/the developers in the same manner, a tradition which cannot and will not (probably) be destroyed in ANY future installment. Anna gains this due to her recurrence, iconic stature, and uniqueness, story becomes SECONDARY in this regard. Those are the grounds for comparison, all her roles as a 'non-essential' stack her up to a so called 'essential' character, and beyond.
So she should be a secret character.She only ran the secret shops.
I think being added to any smash game will require her to be more prevalent even though she is reoccurring. And personally I think her status in awakening is about as prevalent as she is gonna get.So she should be a secret character.
As for the discussion between Noler_Mass and Monk4, I believe it's an opinion. Her role in the games in obviously a small one, but it's not something that can be directly measured and a definite conclusion be drawn based on that as to whether she is deserving or not. Yes, it can be compared though, that is it less than a lord, say Chrom.
As I see it, Anna is in an odd position now. While she is not as important to the story as a lord, she is more important than other recruit-able characters in the games due her recurring status, being present in the series since it's inception and being a mascot of the series in Japan. It remains to be seen if future Fire Emblem titles put more in the spotlight.
Building up support for her now can be useful for her to get into Smash 5 if not Smash 4, as she is the only Fire Emblem character who has a much better long term viability. As long as Fire Emblem and Smash exist, it will never be too late for her inclusion.
/rant
I don't get the relation. @_@I read in an interview that, if it tanked, Awakening would be the last Fire Emblem so maybe that's why Anna was made playable after all these years.
I read that too and I also read that the good people at IS wanted to throw in everything that they really wanted to do in a fire emblem game since it could be the last one. Obviously one of the things they wanted to do is make Anna playable.I don't get the relation. @_@
Are you implying that they made Anna playable in an effort to boost sales?
Or that they felt it would be Anna's last appearance, so made her playable as a tribute to her?
This response has been too long coming (sorry ).Like I'm serious right now round of applause for that short novel you wrote. It's pretty trippy too I'm serious I might write a song with lyrics like this.
But back on topic, I have one pretty major qualm with what you wrote. No I'm not going to question your knowledge of economics and stuff that is so besides the point and I got the general picture. But my issue is that you relate Anna to a gold coin, an object that itself has caused a huge impact throughout all of human history. But the thing is Anna cannot be related to a gold coin just because she is reoccurring. Her importance to the series itself does not relate to the importance of the gold coin to human history. I think she is more comparable to the common pebble. Yeah it's always been around but has it really made a difference in anything? It's just kind of there... Sure it may have staying power since its been around forever and isn't something that is an age to age thing, but it still doesn't have the importance to be in the hall of fame of... Things. Just because something has only been around for a short time doesn't mean it doesn't deserve inclusion. Like the iron for example (don't hate on my logic I've never been great at history just bear with me). It had its time where every weapon was made of iron, and all of the powerful nations had it, but then when steel came around, the usefulness of iron made weapons faded into obscurity. But that doesn't change how memorable iron is. It would still be in the hall of fame of things ahead of the common pebble.
Basically what I am saying is that while Anna has been in nearly every game she plays such a minor role that it wouldn't make enough sense to add her in the first place. I think the fact that she wasn't considered for brawl speaks so much to her actual importance. No one knew who she was and then people see her in awakening as a playable character which fixes her more in there minds, and they use the fact that she has been in every game as justification to what they think. Even though nobody even remotely thought she was possible in the brawl era since she has only had slightly more major roles. It's kind of like a random first gen pokemon, say grimerGrimer has been in every single pokemon game yet he is not even considered as a character because he is unimportant to the series even though he has been in every game.
And to fastblade I would ask him to ponder this: how easy is it to make a different shop keeper? Not that hard. How easy is it to create the protagonist of a game? Takes a bit of effort.
I just graduated a public high school. In Illinois. The Department of Education should be abolished, so too all federal regulations on education!ବାପା! (Translation: Good Lord!)
That's a huge wall of text there. You definitely are a philosopher, MonK4, aren't you?
wats publishin? O:I am going to read this whole post at some point but not yet. But once again, that's a Lott of writing applaud this man for the book he wrote. Are you looking to get it published?
NOBODY IS LESS LIKELY THAN GASTON!!wats publishin? O:
Wait, can I get my talks about support of Anna published in some sort of essay? Can I self publish?!? That would be the coolest thing ever! I would totally send it overseas to Japan!
I would call it "Anna's Special Consideration as a Smash Brothers Potential Newcomer." or "No One Sells an Argument Like Anna." or "Anna: Almost as Good as Gaston and Far More Likely."
Thank you once again, sir *bow*
I'll accept any support for Anna there is, thanks! (Nice avatar).While I don't think Anna's likely to get in over Chrom or Lucina, if Sakurai were to decide to add a third Fire Emblem character, I think Anna has a good chance for that spot. As far as non-lord characters go, she has some of the bigger importance, even if not strictly story importance. Shouzou Kaga made the conscious effort to put Anna in every game (minus Gaiden). As someone mentioned earlier on, it's easy to make another shopkeeper, and I think that speaks to Anna's importance. Anna is a character created by Shouzou Kaga, the creator of the original 6 Fire Emblem games, and he slipped her in every game, with the exception of Fire Emblem Gaiden. Not only did Kaga take Anna after he left Intelligent Systems and put her in a completely different game, but IS continued to use Anna, instead of making a new shopkeeper, localizing their new games, and even now emphasize her importance, making her a playable character in Awakening. I think Anna's importance in the series is now rising even more, and while I don't think she deserves in more than Chrom or Lucina, I would definitely support her as a third representative.
Hm, you make a good point.While I don't think Anna's likely to get in over Chrom or Lucina, if Sakurai were to decide to add a third Fire Emblem character, I think Anna has a good chance for that spot. As far as non-lord characters go, she has some of the bigger importance, even if not strictly story importance. Shouzou Kaga made the conscious effort to put Anna in every game (minus Gaiden). As someone mentioned earlier on, it's easy to make another shopkeeper, and I think that speaks to Anna's importance. Anna is a character created by Shouzou Kaga, the creator of the original 6 Fire Emblem games, and he slipped her in every game, with the exception of Fire Emblem Gaiden. Not only did Kaga take Anna after he left Intelligent Systems and put her in a completely different game, but IS continued to use Anna, instead of making a new shopkeeper, localizing their new games, and even now emphasize her importance, making her a playable character in Awakening. I think Anna's importance in the series is now rising even more, and while I don't think she deserves in more than Chrom or Lucina, I would definitely support her as a third representative.