Uzi's Fox 101 ~ A Fox Guide

[PK-ow!]

This is exactly what my Fox needed.

Joe, Fox ditto next time we meet. :flame:


Though it would be nice if someone could find a way to structure the collection so as to make it best for learning.

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

This is exactly what my Fox needed.

Joe, Fox ditto next time we meet. :flame:


Though it would be nice if someone could find a way to structure the collection so as to make it best for learning.

I'd very much like this to be sorted out some, but im not too sure how to set it up best, this is more to be read as a whole and not just part for part.

 

[iFudge]

Good stuff Bravo for what you doing, I hope one day i can do the battlefield combo

 

[Toronto Joe]

by any chance uzi does illusion legit combo into anything?

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

by any chance uzi does illusion legit combo into anything?

hmm, not sure, it's atleast extreamly close, i'll do some spare testing when i have time.

 

[chaoechidna]

Very informative uzi, thanks a lot for the time it took to make this! It helps a lot!

 

[DarkAura]

illusion stage spikes :D

no serious am i the only one who goes for those?

 

[ShadowLink 2000]

great guide it helps alot :D

 

[Toronto Joe]

reading this every so often is thumbs up!

 

[M@v]

Uzi and I combined our guides. Mine was kinda dead in the bowels of the fox forum lol, but it had great info. I'll try to re-organize this(no info will be changed, just going to make it easier on the eyes) soon. Until then enjoy Pittsburgh's vast fox knowledge!

I'll start writing sections i wanted to do on the old guide(ESPECIALLY a section on proper recovery) as well.

 

[memk]

I could benefit from all this stuff about fox thanks well needed Uzi.

 

[M@v]

We have a TON on info in this thread, even more so since we added my guide....but its very hard on the eyes atm, lol.

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

yeah, this started off as a decently organised guide, but eventually turned into a fox info dump x.x

 

[Berserker.]

What the?

Fox's lasers don't shut down Snake's grenades

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

they blow them up, and if were tossing out a ton of them all the time good luck hitting us with one.

 

[Berserker.]

I was only focusing on the reflector. No wonder I play the MU wrong. Thanks anyway. What makes me wonder though is that why is the MU like 55:45 Snake or 60:40 when it's kind of hard to deal with Fox? Leaning to 55:45

 

[M@v]

I think its even to 55:45 fox, but thats imo. No worse than even. I'm the same with Falco, lol. Maybe Im just really good with spacies vs snake?

 

[Berserker.]

I think........

Snake VS Falco is 50:50 straight no 49:51s

Snake VS Fox is 55:45 Snake.

 

[Conviction]

Nah.... it's even Snake doesn't really have an advantage, and neither does Fox.

I say 50-50.

 

[C.R.Z]

Nah.... it's even Snake doesn't really have an advantage, and neither does Fox.

I say 50-50.

its prob this, i havent properly learn the match up yet tho

 

[Conviction]

Add this.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=203431

 

[Rizk18]

can u post all of fox's MU?

 

[Toronto Joe]

i really cant see fox vs snake being even =[ snake is brolic mang =/

 

[crifer]

i really cant see fox vs snake being even =[ snake is brolic mang =/

^this.
At least someone who agrees with me...

 

[Rizk18]

Awesome thread!

 

[Lesleyk]

^this.
At least someone who agrees with me...

The snake-fox MU depends on both players. Since there are more snake players out there than foxes, we Fox players kinda have the advantage cause we get to play against them more. Its not the other way around.

I personally think its quite even for Fox. It all depends on your fox style.

 

[iamjason8]

Fantastic thread. But can someone teach me how to DACUS with Fox? I've tried using the same technique as Falco's but the timing is probably a bit different. I'm sure all characters can DACUS.

So can anyone help?

^^

 

[Asce]

I cant really tell you the timing, but I will say that it is very strict. This will help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuAn1dNXzaQ

Good luck! :]

 

[iamjason8]

I cant really tell you the timing, but I will say that it is very strict. This will help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuAn1dNXzaQ

Good luck! :]

Cool thanks. But do I still have to change my Z to attack since DACUSing with say Snake doesn't require me to change my controls.

 

[gunterrsmash01]

Can anyone show me any videos or information on DJC Shine? Haven't seen any foxes use it

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

Can anyone show me any videos or information on DJC Shine? Haven't seen any foxes use it

Points to my mega info thread with like 3 videos on it.

 

[gunterrsmash01]

Oh i forgot that DJC means 2 different things. Not talking about the double jab cancel. Talking about double jump cancelling fox's shine. I can't find any videos/uses (yes I looked at the OP) on that yet I hear about it all the time. Apparently it is like brawls replacement for waveshine.

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

Oh i forgot that DJC means 2 different things. Not talking about the double jab cancel. Talking about double jump cancelling fox's shine. I can't find any videos/uses (yes I looked at the OP) on that yet I hear about it all the time. Apparently it is like brawls replacement for waveshine.

Brawl has no replacement for wavedashing.

the thing you are thinking of is jump cancel shine.
not double jump cancel shine.

you jump out of dash or shield and cancel that with a shine, it lets you shint out or dash and out of shield instantly.

 

[gunterrsmash01]

I didn't say wavedashing LOL I said a replacement of waveshine. Meaning repeated shines across stage, that make a combo. But ok, wonder if it has any legit setups

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

I didn't say wavedashing LOL I said a replacement of waveshine. Meaning repeated shines across stage, that make a combo. But ok, wonder if it has any legit setups

my bad, read that wrong,

regardless it still doesnt work.

only things that combo from shine(when its perfectly placed) are jab(stupid hard set up and only on ultra fatties)
dash attack(**** nead everyone but luigi and ice climbers)
up-smash(good portion of the cast)
and im sure a few other things i cant remember right now.

but shine never combos into shine.

 

[gunterrsmash01]

I believe this applies to Fox as well, since falco and fox basically have the same airdodge

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=284144

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

I believe this applies to Fox as well, since falco and fox basically have the same airdodge

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=284144

Good stuff, I'll link it in the op, later.

 

[iamjason8]

I believe this applies to Fox as well, since falco and fox basically have the same airdodge

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=284144

Lol nice win. I actually found that helpful. O.O

But most MK in my experience just spam gay D-Smash. >=(

 

[*CT*]

Wow this thing has a ton of information since the last time I looked at it, I always learn things from this thread. Thanks.

 

[KillerJawz]

Okay I've compressed the OP. You can go over it Uzi and just fix up any areas / update them with the revelant information.