Urbana-Champaign Midwest Smashfest 64 (date:July 21st at 1pm)

[Battlecow]

Myself and a friend really would like to come to this as well. We are from Fort Wayne, Indiana, so it wouldn't be too bad of a drive for us. We could also bring at least one 64 and SSB. Id really like to play some console games with some phenomenal players. I would look forward to getting smashed on

TM

Well if Firo shows up you'll get smashed on by at least one phenomenal player, otherwise you'll have to put up with a bunch of rather good players. Great to have more people, though!

And Mark you can count me in for a setup as well, of course.

 

[Han Solo]

Myself and a friend really would like to come to this as well. We are from Fort Wayne, Indiana, so it wouldn't be too bad of a drive for us. We could also bring at least one 64 and SSB. Id really like to play some console games with some phenomenal players. I would look forward to getting smashed on

TM

Oh man, if you come, it's no longer a state tourney. It's a Midwest Regional. Also, is there any chance you can bring a CRT TV too?

 

[KnitePhox]

I plan on bringing at least one full setup(tv and 64+ssb), maybe my desktop pc with receiver and 2 speakers for recording/streaming/anyone's music all at once

 

[firo]

So is this gonna be a tourney? Should we all bring mad ca$$$h?

Also assuming everything works out with Knite and I come along I'll do the same thing that I did with battlecow. Money matches - you pick the stage and both of our characters - up to $3 a pop. Battlecow and I had some pretty intense Link vs Pikachu matches on peach's castle a few months ago.

 

[Han Solo]

So is this gonna be a tourney? Should we all bring mad ca$$$h?

Also assuming everything works out with Knite and I come along I'll do the same thing that I did with battlecow. Money matches - you pick the stage and both of our characters - up to $3 a pop. Battlecow and I had some pretty intense Link vs Pikachu matches on peach's castle a few months ago.

If we get 10+ people, then we'll definitely get a tourney going. I'm thinking $5 entry.

I accept your duel of fates, Firo. I'll have to think of some good matchups.

 

[ballin4life]

So is this gonna be a tourney? Should we all bring mad ca$$$h?

Also assuming everything works out with Knite and I come along I'll do the same thing that I did with battlecow. Money matches - you pick the stage and both of our characters - up to $3 a pop. Battlecow and I had some pretty intense Link vs Pikachu matches on peach's castle a few months ago.

If you're willing to do 100 of these I might be down to fly out

 

[Battlecow]

You're gonna have a tough time breaking even this time, Firo

Peach's Castle 2gud

 

[TheMagistrate]

Oh man, if you come, it's no longer a state tourney. It's a Midwest Regional. Also, is there any chance you can bring a CRT TV too?

definitely. anyway I could get your number Hans? you could pm it to me. I want to get some more details on the fest.

 

[KnitePhox]

definitely. anyway I could get your number Hans? you could pm it to me. I want to get some more details on the fest.

at least read the info in the main post man...

Date: Saturday, July 21st
Address: 709 W Green St, Apartment B14, Urbana, IL, 61801
Parking: Look at this map:

http://tinyurl.com/c2rf2me

You can park anywhere east of Lincoln Ave for free on weekends. The best parking spots would be on Green St, High St, Busey Ave, and Coler Ave.

Contact Info:
You can just send me a PM, or if you really want to, here's my number: 847-452-1445
My name is Mark.

 

[meowmeowrainbowkitty]

I'll definitely be there.

 

[Han Solo]

MeowMeow is free as air.

 

[TheMagistrate]

at least read the info in the main post man...

good call man. i usually just hit "last page" so i seldom see the original post.

 

[Han Solo]

So, we're 6 days away. What's a good time to start? I think most people will be here around 1 or 2, but if anyone wants to show up early and get some practice in, that's fine.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

wow. wack. i won't be in IL until august 1st.

can't you hold it the first week of august instead?

 

[Battlecow]

We'll have smashfests bro. And by the 1st, FC is just around the corner.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

true. i'm just worried there won't be enough 64.

 

[Battlecow]

I'll make it my personal duty to see that you have all the 64 anyone could ever want until I leave on like september 20 or whatever. I think 14k is back in town early august as well...

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

any pika mains in IL? I really need to get better at that matchup.

 

[KnitePhox]

So, we're 6 days away. What's a good time to start? I think most people will be here around 1 or 2, but if anyone wants to show up early and get some practice in, that's fine.

1 seems good. might get there an hour or so earlier though. should be fine, right?

 

[Han Solo]

1 seems good. might get there an hour or so earlier though. should be fine, right?

Yeah, that's fine.

 

[meowmeowrainbowkitty]

hype. we have pizza rolls.

 

[Han Solo]

Alrighty, todays the day. I'm going to update the OP with tourney details. It'll probably just be the standard backroom stuff.

I can't find any specific rules for crew battles so how would stage-picking in a crew battle work for this game? Here are a couple of options:

Option 1: Incoming player picks stage (both players are stuck to one character).
Option 2: Each player on the crew has a primary and secondary character and they can only play as these characters. Incoming player picks stage, other player picks character out of the two he originally chose, then incoming player picks primary character.
Option 3: The whole crew battle is on one stage
Option 4: The whole crew battle is played on Hyrule or Dreamland that are randomly decided by a coin flip?

I'm partial to option 1, but what does the smash community think?

 

[KnitePhox]

If someone brings a strong enough laptop, my buddy komotono is bringing everything besides a computer required for recording.

If you're going to this event, reading this message and are someone or know someone with a decent laptop (win Vista 32bit with 2gb ram or better and a functional usb 2.0 port) please try to bring it so we can have ANOTHER recording setup, I'm bringing the capture card drivers and software for 32bit and 64 bit win Vista/7

 

[Battlecow]

GOOD FREAKING GAMES to everyone

especially Firo

Knitephox I'm sorry lol

 

[Sangoku]

So anything recorded?

 

[Han Solo]

So anything recorded?

Every match in the tourney was recorded I believe. Knitephox has about two hours of me vs him and two hours of me vs Firo in friendlies.

I also left my capture card running for the whole day so there's hours of footage.

 

[firo]

I really enjoyed this. Mark and his roommates were great hosts, and we played a ton of nice matches throughout the day. The winnings are going to be split between Knitephox (who very graciously drove myself, Komotonoto, and Comboblaze) and server upkeep.

The only thing I didn't enjoy were my tournament matches against Battlecow. Refusing to approach on hyrule to demonstrate the "brokenness" of the stage and then only counterpicking Dreamland and Peach's Castle with Pikachu and waiting around for throw gimps are not "good matches" in my opinion. Sure, play to win, but it was frustrating and just wasn't fun for me. To me that's not what this game is about, and considering the small amount of money on the line and the small community smash64 has I don't think it is worth playing that style and disregarding the stuff that makes smash an enjoyable experience. But of course to each his own. Didn't mean to call you out battlecow, but that's just how I felt.

 

[asianaussie]

oh no battlecow camping completely changed my view on hyrule brb changing ruleset

 

[Sangoku]

Lol. Did he win at least? I remember he saying winning was fun to him, so that explains it.

 

[firo]

Lol. Did he win at least? I remember he saying winning was fun to him, so that explains it.

I won the tournament, but only after adjusting my play style in the later matches. Battlecow came in second.

 

[clubbadubba]

so let me get this straight:

-battlecow refused to approach on hyrule to demonstrate its "brokenness."
-when counterpicked to DL or peach's, he proceeded to employ the exact same strategy of not approaching
-proving that no matter what stage you are playing on, you can be successful by being a **** and refusing to approach

wait, I already knew that...



Firo, I hope whenever you got a lead vs bcow on hyrule you just stood still and told the TO to start the timer lol.

 

[Komotonoto]

Man yall *****s r gay! GGS hans n rumbly and tht one asian dude and battlecow lol srry. freakin retarted i didnt fight AJ though -.- it was cool. Tell rumbly he a fatty.

 

[Battlecow]

Hyrule's broken and stupid, I've always said this and nothing so far has come close to convincing me otherwise. I understand that being camped is annoying and not fun, but I believe in playing to win, and I'm always going to play my best in tournament. Period. This isn't the only mentality to have, but it's the one held by nearly every competitive gamer in the world. 64 is a little bit behind the larger communities in terms of mentality, but I'm not going to sandbag to make sheermadness happy. If you counterpick me to a broken stage, I will abuse its brokenness. It wasn't about the thirty dollars (lol).

I resent the implication that I didn't approach on Dreamland. Anyone who watches my matches with firo will notice that whenever he started platform camping (which, for the record, I do not resent--more power to him) I was the one who went after him. Not that I wouldn't have camped if I thought it would be advantageous. And no, clubba, I wasn't "counterpicked" to DL or Peach's. I was counterpicked to Hyrule. You think I wanted to play ten-minute matches? I'm a little bit irked by your tone, man.

I was really happy with my performance--Firo's a great player and taking a set off of him was a high point for me. I also had a lot of fun during almost every match. This tourney was a really positive experience for me and my crew.

Komo, I'm really sorry that you got skipped like that. That was freaking ********.

 

[KnitePhox]

GGS Everyone esp Han.

Hunger/rust/no sleep(2.5-3hrs count?) johns

Dislike camping and waiting to play while I play(MASSIVE STALL NEVER APPROACHING) even more now

You guys were better than I expected, but not in a good way 1 EXCEPTION BEING HAN

Driving back was the most dangerous driving experience I've ever had, should have let firo drive at the food stop in hindsight; we're alive and ****.

 

[Komotonoto]

Yo I kinda lost my n64 adapter... Do you have it Knitephox?

Na its cool Battlecow I didn't really try anyways lol. Was tired. =\

Na its ok Battlecow i didn't really care about the tourney anyways. But ggs we should play online... well after i get my adapter back D:

 

[Han Solo]

It was $5 entry and a 60-30-10 split for top 3.

1. Firo..................(lost to Battlecow once to force second set in GF)
2. Battlecow..........(lost to Firo twice)
3. Knitephox..........(lost to Firo and Battlecow)
4. AJ.....................(lost to Firo and Battlecow)
5. Rumbly..............(lost to Knitephox and AJ)
5. Solo..................(lost to Rumbly and Battlecow)
5. MeowMeow.......(lost to Solo and Knitephox)
8. Komotonoto....(lost to Battlecow once. see below)
9. ComboBlaze......(lost to Knitephox and AJ)
9. Fynal................(lost to AJ and MeowMeow)

Because we only had 10 people, I had to randomly choose 4 people to play an extra game in Winner's. Those were Knitephox/ComboBlaze and AJ/Fynal

Komo placing "8th" (because I don't know where to put him) was stupid because he was supposed to play AJ in Loser's, but it never happened. I told them to play then a little while later I asked if it happened yet, and then someone told me that AJ won. So, I had AJ advancing in the bracket without ever playing Komo so Komo in fact only lost once. My bad on that one, Komo. I think it stemmed from the fact that Komo kind of sounds like "Combo" as in ComboBlaze and AJ played ComboBlaze already in bracket.

Firo- I love everything about how you play, but all you do is humiliate me and beat me down without remorse, and it was great. My Luigi is still supreme though.
Battlecow- One of these days...
Knitephox- That was an awesome 2 hour session we had. Upload those right away.
Komo- Sorry again. We had a lot of awesome friendlies to make up for it, right? (lol). From Rumbly, "Keep it real."
Fynal- Glad you could come out. Too bad we didn't play any friendlies. Have fun wherever it is you're going next week.
AJ- DI maniac
MeowMeow- Awesome set in bracket. I'm surprised we didn't play on Dreamland. You almost had me on PC
ComboBlaze- Double Samus too good. 6-stocking Battlecow and AJ was probably my favorite match of the day.
Rumbly- if only you had a smashboards account...

 

[clubbadubba]

My point is that I dislike the notion of someone stalling on hyrule in an effort to convince people that the stage is broken. Employing a strategy to win is one thing, but employing a strategy just to say "see i'm right" is another. It sounded like that is what you were doing, bcow. If not, then okay whatever.

Sounded like (i got all of this from firo's post) you were doing that stand by the edge with pikachu thing on DL which I experienced a few days ago vs you online. A GOOD strategy, I am not complaining about it. I just wanted to point out that there are ways to effectively camp on both hyrule and DL, and I thought it was funny that someone could camp on hyrule and say its broken, and then camp on DL and call it good strategy. I just think they're both good strategy, neither is broken. What was it people were saying about scrub mentality? That it is saying something is cheap or broken instead of coming up with a counter strategy? So instead of trying to ban a stage because it rewards more patient players, maybe players should adapt new strategies. I find it difficult to believe that in just 13 years we've found the exact optimal strategy on Hyrule. The metagame of pro sports evolves all the time and they span decades, and there are people who are PAID to figure out the best stategies for them.

 

[KnitePhox]

My point is that I dislike the notion of someone stalling on hyrule in an effort to convince people that the stage is broken. Employing a strategy to win is one thing, but employing a strategy just to say "see i'm right" is another. It sounded like that is what you were doing, bcow. If not, then okay whatever.

Sounded like (i got all of this from firo's post) you were doing that stand by the edge with pikachu thing on DL which I experienced a few days ago vs you online. A GOOD strategy, I am not complaining about it. I just wanted to point out that there are ways to effectively camp on both hyrule and DL, and I thought it was funny that someone could camp on hyrule and say its broken, and then camp on DL and call it good strategy. I just think they're both good strategy, neither is broken. What was it people were saying about scrub mentality? That it is saying something is cheap or broken instead of coming up with a counter strategy? So instead of trying to ban a stage because it rewards more patient players, maybe players should adapt new strategies. I find it difficult to believe that in just 13 years we've found the exact optimal strategy on Hyrule. The metagame of pro sports evolves all the time and they span decades, and there are people who are PAID to figure out the best stategies for them.

in pro sports you have an extremely low chance of winning by being strictly defensive (**** MAYWEATHER; honestly, who would like a boxing match when only one of the two guys boxes...)

 

[clubbadubba]

in pro sports you have an extremely low chance of winning by being strictly defensive (**** MAYWEATHER; honestly, who would like a boxing match when only one of the two guys boxes...)

1. That's not really my point. I'm saying that when a really good strategy evolves, you must adapt to it, not ban it. However, now that I think of it, goal-tending wasn't implemented until George Mikan abused it to the point where it is unfair. It is possible that some strategies may be insurmountable, but I don't think Hyrule camping has passed that point yet. At least not in any empirically evident way. No one has dominated in recent years by employing the strategy (inb4 someone says gerson... but no I don't think so. He loses games too often). Just because at the lower level it is tough to deal with doesn't mean it should be banned.

2. DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. Ever heard of it? Of the past 9 NBA champions, I believe I can say without any disagreement from anyone that 3 of them were defensive minded teams. This years Heat (by all accounts of anyone in the NBA the best defensive team anyone has had in quite a while), the 2007-2008 Celtics, and the 2003-2004 Pistons. The Celtics and Pistons are what I would call "strictly defensive" as far as basketball goes, considering that you DO have to play offense when you have the ball. Going back further, the Jordan's Bulls, while the attention is often placed on Jordan's offensive abilities (NBA superstar hype at its finest), Jordan and Pippen were All-Defense and Pippen was maybe the best perimeter defender of all time. Before Jordan's bulls were the Pistons who repeated using a defensive philosophy. Stricly defensive can win in basketball.

In the NFL, there is no better example of defense prevailing than the Giants defeating the 2007-2008 Patriots who were then 18-0 to win the super bowl. The giants did the same last year, though admittedly with a better offense than in 2008, they won primarily due to their staunch defense. Combine that with the success of the steelers both in recent years and throughout history, as well as the Patriots of the early 2000's, which were driven by defense. Ravens in 2001, Bucs in 2003. These teams that are "strictly defensive" in that they are ineffective when they have the ball, have been successful in the NFL.

I don't follow baseball or soccer much, though I used to follow baseball. I know that some baseball teams will go either defense or offense--stacked pitching or stacked hitting. Both methods show success. This is probably the purest form of strictly defense in sports. Recent Houston Astros come to mind. Soccer, I don't really know because **** soccer, am I right guys? But I've heard of teams packing it in (spain?) and playing nothing but defense -> counterplay, I think..... I'm really not sure on that one tbh.

In conclusion, Defensive minded teams are as, if not more successful than their offensive counterparts. This post was longer than I anticipated

 

[KnitePhox]

1. That's not really my point. I'm saying that when a really good strategy evolves, you must adapt to it, not ban it. However, now that I think of it, goal-tending wasn't implemented until George Mikan abused it to the point where it is unfair. It is possible that some strategies may be insurmountable, but I don't think Hyrule camping has passed that point yet. At least not in any empirically evident way. No one has dominated in recent years by employing the strategy (inb4 someone says gerson... but no I don't think so. He loses games too often). Just because at the lower level it is tough to deal with doesn't mean it should be banned.

2. DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. Ever heard of it? Of the past 9 NBA champions, I believe I can say without any disagreement from anyone that 3 of them were defensive minded teams. This years Heat (by all accounts of anyone in the NBA the best defensive team anyone has had in quite a while), the 2007-2008 Celtics, and the 2003-2004 Pistons. The Celtics and Pistons are what I would call "strictly defensive" as far as basketball goes, considering that you DO have to play offense when you have the ball. Going back further, the Jordan's Bulls, while the attention is often placed on Jordan's offensive abilities (NBA superstar hype at its finest), Jordan and Pippen were All-Defense and Pippen was maybe the best perimeter defender of all time. Before Jordan's bulls were the Pistons who repeated using a defensive philosophy. Stricly defensive can win in basketball.

In the NFL, there is no better example of defense prevailing than the Giants defeating the 2007-2008 Patriots who were then 18-0 to win the super bowl. The giants did the same last year, though admittedly with a better offense than in 2008, they won primarily due to their staunch defense. Combine that with the success of the steelers both in recent years and throughout history, as well as the Patriots of the early 2000's, which were driven by defense. Ravens in 2001, Bucs in 2003. These teams that are "strictly defensive" in that they are ineffective when they have the ball, have been successful in the NFL.

I don't follow baseball or soccer much, though I used to follow baseball. I know that some baseball teams will go either defense or offense--stacked pitching or stacked hitting. Both methods show success. This is probably the purest form of strictly defense in sports. Recent Houston Astros come to mind. Soccer, I don't really know because **** soccer, am I right guys? But I've heard of teams packing it in (spain?) and playing nothing but defense -> counterplay, I think..... I'm really not sure on that one tbh.

In conclusion, Defensive minded teams are as, if not more successful than their offensive counterparts. This post was longer than I anticipated

ive never seen anyone win without making points inside the paint