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[McFox]

First of all, the characters from SSBM are supposed to all be staying. Secondly, Dr. Mario is a great character with many positive attributes, as well as being MY MAIN!!!!!! The Doc has many good top teir matchups, and provides beginners and experts alike with an enjoyable, well-rounded character. Doc's stayin, so deal with it.

For what won't be the last time, this is false. No one ever said that all 26 characters are returning.

 

[MewMewKachooTwo]

For what won't be the last time, this is false. No one ever said that all 26 characters are returning.

All 8 from the first returned in Melee. I don't think they'd ditch a character. Especially if all they have to do is remake them.

 

[Paranoid_Android]

I definitely think they'll keep the original characters, but whether or not they decide to hold onto certain clones is completely unpredictable. If I were Nintendo, I would keep the clones, except alter a couple of their moves to be slightly different, but not so slight as to be the same move (ie: change Y. Link's bow to a slingshot).

 

[Plomid]

so have you read the wiki thing?
it says that y link and doc wont return:S

 

[foxplayer456]

that would suck.

 

[McFox]

WIKIPEDIA IS NOT CREDIBLE

Please, stop posting things that Wikipedia says. Because ANYBODY can edit the Wikipedia to say ANYTHING you therefor can't believe anything you read on it. You can go edit it right now to say there's going to be 100 characters.

All 8 from the first returned in Melee. I don't think they'd ditch a character. Especially if all they have to do is remake them.

Read more carefully. I said nothing about whether or not I think all the characters are returning. I said that nobody involved with the game has said that all 26 characters are returning. A bunch of people think Sakurai said that, when ACTUALLY, what he said was completely different.

No credible source has said that all 26 character from Melee are returning for this game.

 

[Zander805]

I don't know if this has been discussed yet, but here is a link to the official Smash Bros. website:

http://www.smashbros.com/

Enjoy!

 

[Plomid]

yeah it was updated today even
and yeah we know(atleast most of us)
ne
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/709/709205p1.htmlw info yayayayayaya

 

[Zander805]

Oops... Oh well, I just saw that it was last updated 5-18-2006, and because I hadn't seen it before, thought maybe it was new today. ><

 

[Drab Emordnilap]

Well, I guess Link's keeping his Spin Attack.

Not that anyone doubted it.

 

[Paranoid_Android]

You can also tell (to some extent) that Link's spin attack in SSBB works like Link's spin attack in SSBM - they didn't change it to be like Y. Links. I wonder if it still psuedo-spikes if you land on it.

 

[JmcShocker14]

If it's on IGN, then it MIGHT be true.

Just, WHY Solid Snake (Ahaha.) ! This doesn't make any sens with the fact Nintendo as always tried to choose character they themselved created to put in SSB and Melee. A sequel with third party characters ? I guess Darth Vader and Sonic as a chance to be there (since also Sonic is one of Wii's main title),

Snake was asked to be put in. This doesn't mean others will join

 

[JmcShocker14]

You can also tell (to some extent) that Link's spin attack in SSBB works like Link's spin attack in SSBM - they didn't change it to be like Y. Links. I wonder if it still psuedo-spikes if you land on it.

You have to remember that what we've seen is not the final form of smash bros brawl. Links attacks could be changed when the game is released.

 

[JmcShocker14]

For what won't be the last time, this is false. No one ever said that all 26 characters are returning.

Can you tell me where you found your information. I dont recall seeing anything that stated that characters from Ssbm wouldn't be removed.

 

[Antioch]

omfg a triple post. >______<;

it's mind numbing.

 

[JmcShocker14]

omfg a triple post. >______<;

it's mind numbing.

well you'll have to learn how to live with it. what did you expect from a board like this?

 

[Card]

Can you tell me where you found your information. I dont recall seeing anything that stated that characters from Ssbm wouldn't be removed.

I think it is just a "general" consensus that most players believe based on what known facts we have been given about SSBB.

The Known Facts:

1) SSBM did not remove any of the 8 characters from SSB64
2) Sakurai has been given all the source code from SSBM, so transfering characters over to SSBB, as well as modifying them aesthetically and in their code should be easy
3) Removing Characters (even underused ones such as Pichu, Mewtwo, etc...) would bring anger to a group of players; however large or small of a group they may be. That is one thing that NO video game developper wants to do for a sequel.

With those 3 facts in mind, thats probably the reason why most people believe that no characters will be removed in SSBB.

 

[Devastlian]

well you'll have to learn how to live with it. what did you expect from a board like this?

Probably expects people to be able to use the edit button.

Anyway...I don't think I've posted in this thread yet. This game looks awesome. I'm sure most of the characters will return...they should just get rid of the useless ones like Dr. Mario and Pichu. I mean, Doctor Mario's cool and all, but the differences don't really merit a seperate character. And Pichu...really has no point whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, I love Pokemon to death, but Pichu...just plain sucks. (*joins the Fix Mewtwo Campaign*). The rest of the copied movesets can be Luigified without my flinching.

 

[ArichTheViking]

They're very anti-double posting here Shocker. Don't do it.

Though posting just to say "don't double post" has the same effect as double posting.

Anyways, on the subject of unlockables, I'd prefer that more charcters than not were unlockables.
I wouldn't care if only the original 8 started unlocked- unlocking characters is a blast!

 

[JmcShocker14]

I think it is just a "general" consensus that most players believe based on what known facts we have been given about SSBB.

The Known Facts:

1) SSBM did not remove any of the 8 characters from SSB64
2) Sakurai has been given all the source code from SSBM, so transfering characters over to SSBB, as well as modifying them aesthetically and in their code should be easy
3) Removing Characters (even underused ones such as Pichu, Mewtwo, etc...) would bring anger to a group of players; however large or small of a group they may be. That is one thing that NO video game developper wants to do for a sequel.

With those 3 facts in mind, thats probably the reason why most people believe that no characters will be removed in SSBB.

I'm sorry. You didn't really tell me anything there. Alot of people had complaints about some of the characters in ssbm, So there is a possibilty that some of those characters will be removed. Thanks Anways

 

[JmcShocker14]

Probably expects people to be able to use the edit button.

Anyway...I don't think I've posted in this thread yet. This game looks awesome. I'm sure most of the characters will return...they should just get rid of the useless ones like Dr. Mario and Pichu. I mean, Doctor Mario's cool and all, but the differences don't really merit a seperate character. And Pichu...really has no point whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, I love Pokemon to death, but Pichu...just plain sucks. (*joins the Fix Mewtwo Campaign*). The rest of the copied movesets can be Luigified without my flinching.[/QUOTE



I was responding to more than one messege so it wouldn't make sense to edit them. thanks

 

[JmcShocker14]

They're very anti-double posting here Shocker. Don't do it.

Though posting just to say "don't double post" has the same effect as double posting.

Anyways, on the subject of unlockables, I'd prefer that more charcters than not were unlockables.
I wouldn't care if only the original 8 started unlocked- unlocking characters is a blast!

You dont seem to understan either. So I feel it's best that you dont get involved. When this game comes out I will make you pay for you words.

 

[ArichTheViking]

I was responding to more than one messege so it wouldn't make sense to edit them. thanks

No one cares. You're expected to edit.

Anyway...I don't think I've posted in this thread yet. This game looks awesome. I'm sure most of the characters will return...they should just get rid of the useless ones like Dr. Mario and Pichu. I mean, Doctor Mario's cool and all, but the differences don't really merit a seperate character. And Pichu...really has no point whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, I love Pokemon to death, but Pichu...just plain sucks. (*joins the Fix Mewtwo Campaign*). The rest of the copied movesets can be Luigified without my flinching.

Dr. Mario and Pichu could be Luigified too. Pichu was mostly in Melee just to be a bottom tier character I think, one for "expert" players. And he has his fans for that very reason.

Also, I think it is likely that even the clones will have different "super moves" or whatever they're being called. The thing is, if clones are removed, there is no promise we get anyone in return. I wouldn't be surprised if the six current clones could all get the Luigi treatment with less development time than it takes to build one character from the ground up, because adding 3 or 4 or 6 new moves and fiddling with the specs on some more doesn't require extensive balancing. I would personally prefer 6 modified old characters over 1 new one.

 

[JmcShocker14]

No one cares. You're expected to edit.



Dr. Mario and Pichu could be Luigified too. Pichu was mostly in Melee just to be a bottom tier character I think, one for "expert" players. And he has his fans for that very reason.

Also, I think it is likely that even the clones will have different "super moves" or whatever they're being called. The thing is, if clones are removed, there is no promise we get anyone in return. I wouldn't be surprised if the six current clones could all get the Luigi treatment with less development time than it takes to build one character from the ground up, because adding 3 or 4 new moves and fiddling with the specs on some more doesn't require extensive balancing. I would personally prefer 6 modified old characters over 1 new one.

Dont worry about what i'm doing. Just focus on the thread.

 

[freeman123]

JmcShocker14
I was responding to more than one messege so it wouldn't make sense to edit them. thanks

Yes it would.

JmcShocker14
Alot of people had complaints about some of the characters in ssbm, So there is a possibilty that some of those characters will be removed. Thanks Anways

Who cares if they complain. No one's forcing them to be those characters. Just because some people don't like Pichu, no one should be able to use him? How is that better then keeping him in the game & letting the people who like him use him while the people who don't like him use someone else?

JmcShocker14
well you'll have to learn how to live with it. what did you expect from a board like this?

No, you'll have to learn to follow the rules.

JmcShocker14
Can you tell me where you found your information. I dont recall seeing anything that stated that characters from Ssbm wouldn't be removed.

There is no information about that. That was his whole point.

 

[JmcShocker14]

Yes it would.


Who cares if they complain. No one's forcing them to be those characters. Just because some people don't like Pichu, no one should be able to use him? How is that better then keeping him in the game & letting the people who like him use him while the people who don't like him use someone else?


No, you'll have to learn to follow the rules.


There is no information about that. That was his whole point.

I think its best that you stay out of this

 

[JmcShocker14]

If there is a way to respond to more than one messege with one reply, tell me.

 

[BentoBox]

This isn't the Nsiders forums. You'll get warned for it sooner or later.

And about the few complains people had in regards of certain characters, why not simply modify them to please the audience a bit more? If people are complaining, it must mean that they do care about the character and feel as if he shouldn't be that crappy~ I really don't see how removing the characters will fix anything as it'll only lead to more complaints.

 

[G-Ron]

JmcShocker, please stop dissmising other peoples relavant statements about the topic at hand. If wish to know why double posting ect. is frowned apon, the reason is this: it accumulates spam and is a cheap way for people to get their post count up. While you may or may not be trying to do one of these things, it's very annoying, thus the edit button and the quote button so that one may be able to respond to more than one post at the same time.

As far as the clones go, i would have to agree with the majority here and think the original cast from SSBM will carry over to the new brawl. Eliminating a character always means hate from the characters fans no matter how big or small it is.

 

[ArichTheViking]

This isn't the Nsiders forums. You'll get warned for it sooner or later.

And about the few complains people had in regards of certain characters, why not simply modify them to please the audience a bit more? If people are complaining, it must mean that they do care about the character and feel as if he shouldn't be that crappy~ I really don't see how removing the characters will fix anything as it'll only lead to more complaints.

And thats exactly what they're most likely to do. They'll try to power up the weak characters and power down the strong ones before they cut anyone.

The only character I would give a >50% chance to get cut is Roy. He could go out in favor of a newer FE character.

 

[FireStar]

Yes it would.


Who cares if they complain. No one's forcing them to be those characters. Just because some people don't like Pichu, no one should be able to use him? How is that better then keeping him in the game & letting the people who like him use him while the people who don't like him use someone else?


No, you'll have to learn to follow the rules.


There is no information about that. That was his whole point.

First of all. If no one uses a character, whats the point in the character being inside the game in the first place???

Firestar is here! Hold on JmcShocker14, I'm with ya! What fools

This doesn't make sense on how you guys are trying to team up on Shocker14. I won't have it anymore! I won't stand for it!!!

 

[G-Ron]

And thats exactly what they're most likely to do. They'll try to power up the weak characters and power down the strong ones before they cut anyone.

The only character I would give a >50% chance to get cut is Roy. He could go out in favor of a newer FE character.

ahhh true, if anyone was i could see roy playing the left out position. I don't know if G&W would make the cut either, to my knowledge everyone plays with him for fun, not real competition. I think that sounded right. Maybe if his b moves weren't random

First of all. If no one uses a character, whats the point in the character being inside the game in the first place???

Thats where we disagree; i think that until not one, single, person, ever picks a specific character in the game then thats the only time a character should be cut. But if someone plays with him/her at all, then cutting a that character would eliminate that characters fanbase which in turn cuts from the game. You understand where i am comming from?

 

[FireStar]

ahhh true, if anyone was i could see roy playing the left out position. I don't know if G&W would make the cut either, to my knowledge everyone plays with him for fun, not real competition. I think that sounded right. Maybe if his b moves weren't random

Why would they take roy out and not a character like pichu? They already have more pokemon in than FEmblem characters.

 

[ArichTheViking]

ahhh true, if anyone was i could see roy playing the left out position. I don't know if G&W would make the cut either, to my knowledge everyone plays with him for fun, not real competition. I think that sounded right. Maybe if his b moves weren't random

I doubt highly they'll throw away any non-clone, because thats just throwing away a moveset, and I KNOW they won't throw out anyone because he isn't suited for hardcore competition. Thats called poor marketing

I for one like G&W and wouldn't be surprised to see them put in another old-skool character with funny moves among the last unlockables. Wild Gunman anyone? Imagine a character who is simply photo-real flickering film of a cowboy, from Nintendo's original light-gun arcade game in the 70s. I think that's the only thing more off-the-wall than G&W.

Totally random thought: "Shoot the Credits" with the Wiimote.

 

[G-Ron]

Why would they take roy out and not a character like pichu? They already have more pokemon in than FEmblem characters.

**BTW this is just IF they cut characters**

hmm... good point, i can't think of a justifiable reason for roy to get cut.

i think i made that agreement out of selfish reasons. :embarrass

but as far as pichu, i see point, however when poke'mon is one of nintendos biggest selling franchises, you can understand the frequency of why their are so many. Pichu also has a different playing style than pikachu, so again their might be a bigger fan base for her. (I don't prefer any of the pokemon; imo)

I doubt highly they'll throw away any non-clone, because thats just throwing away a moveset, and I KNOW they won't throw out anyone because he isn't suited for hardcore competition. Thats called poor marketing.

yea, i understand, but what i was saying was that if they were cutting characters, one i wouldn't mind going would be G&W. Sorry that was my opinion, i should have stated instead of just blurting it out like an airhole, again my bad.

 

[G-Ron]

browser refresh sorry

 

[Kereokacola]

Don't you think the popularity of Pokemon has died down dramatically since the first Smash came out? I certainly do.

 

[FireStar]

How many pokemon are there now? About 550?

 

[Kereokacola]

It's rather ridiculous if you ask me. I have nothing really against Pokemon, it's just that they completely overused the idea of them in Melee. I think the general usage of them in the first Smash was enough, but the fact that there were 4 playable Pokemon out of 26 characters, and there were two arena's dedicated to Pokemon, as well as Pokeball's with a trememdous amount of Pokemon popping out of them, it was just too much for me.

There is plenty of other Nintendo material for them to use. I think they need to downsize on the Pokemon selection that comes out of the Pokeballs (for instance, just the major and popular ones), and take out Pichu and Mewtwo as playable characters (why not enter in Meowth? He's Team Rockets mascot for goodness sake, whom plays a big role in the show.)

And 550? That's ludicrous. The first 100 or so was enough, how on earth can you know anything and everything about each one? You need to draw the line somewhere.

 

[SuperMajinLink 287]

Jesus ****ing christ, 550?! Last time I played Pokemon was when it was blue and red, when I was merely a 6th grader in middle school. That was only 150, but still was a lot... I never played the series since then.