UK Ranking Battles idea - Tell me your opinion!!!

[Frozenwave]

Ok In my opinion, smash is dead as hell in this country and theirs alot of whacktalking going on so im gonna set a new system in place. Its called Ranking Battles.

Basically you have every smash community in UK have a tournament in each of their respective areas, each MONTH. The winners of each tournament gains a certain amount of points, photo's and videos must be posted to verify you actually did the Ranbat.

Then the next time a tournament comes up. The top 2 from each area battle it out in a seperate tournament to see whos really better.

After 6 months, that season will close and declare the winner for your area

Now it may all sound like horse**** to you guys, but if we can get some of these running, then we can

1) have tournaments in a venue that isnt a house
2) Get more people to play smash

You guys up for it?

And guys, if you guys all sign up to neo empire and use the forum there, we might be able to get Smash at their major events and events after that and their events are BUFF AS HEAVEN.

You will need to:

Post on neo empire with your area's results and videos of the results
Pictures pl0x
MAKE SURE YOU HAVE 8+ PEOPLE.


Now saying if you guys all agree to this. All you smash communities residing in the UK. Now another problem is tournament format. WE ALL NEED TO USE THE SAME FORMAT. Me and Tails chao was speaking with a Neo Empire staff (cool dude, smashes arcade sticks) and we wanna test out the standard system used by Neo Empire for their fighting games which are.

Pools, you need to get 4 people qualifying so if you have 10 people, thats 5/5 and 2 of each go through. FIRST TO ONE

After pools, it will be a SINGLE ELIMINATION bracket. First place in Pool A vs Second place in pool B and First place in pool B vs second in A. Something along those lines.

As for Character picking we will be doing something they do called 'BLIND PICKING'
Basically, on a piece of paper, write what char you wanna pick. So you dont go around waiting 5 minutes for someone to pick something JUST so you can counter pick. After that, blaa slob picks

SO WHOS UP FOR IT! POST UP


Interested London people:

Frozen (OHGOD)
Tails Chao
Fuzzyness?
Pofessor Pro
The last Dragon
4Stock

 

[Spam-a-Lamb]

Naturally, being a part of the Raigo code, im all up for this. Sounds awesome pete. Dudes with additional (positive) suggestions are much appreciated.

And guys, if you guys all sign up to neo empire and use the forum there, we might be able to get Smash at their major events and events after that and their events are BUFF AS HEAVEN.

FRIK YEH

 

[Spam-a-Lamb]

<Bankai> everyone get better joining this ranbat time baby!!

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

VA: yummm rankings

 

[J03]

=/ i really dont know if this is possible. i like the idea, but imo it doesnt need to be so consistant, basically each area only needs to nominate so many peeps just before a tourney, if peeps cant decide then a ranbat should take place. imo

 

[COEY]

This is for melee right? And whats with SINGLE ELIMINATION? lol. Also the top 2 qualify for this other tounament, when would this take place at a normal tournament? Surely the normal tourney would provide mostly accurate results. Or would Neo empire just run them for the winners of each area? But then i can only see that at most having 8 finalists and that would mean fantastic prize money.....

I like the idea just please clarify some stuff for me please.

Joe as for NW deciding their top 2 we would need a Ranbat but just going off one is unfair tbh, like everyone would probs expect alan to be in top 2. But what if he shows up having not slept or just in a really off mood or with even more ridiculous johns!!! What then!!??? Answer me ******** :D!!!!!

Edit: SPAM!!! Whats up man? How you been? AmcD is looking to host a liverpool tourney (melee) you interested?

 

[J03]

aye but everyones in the same boat you nonce. the top X amount of players would be seeded. i wouldnt say the top 2 because theres onl;y really 3 scenes:- London, NW and Scotland.

 

[Retroking2000]

still haven't got the activation email

~wont be going on NE soon

i like the idea actually

just one question

can someone actually tell an admin to post out a F*ucking activation email.

 

[Koop_88]

Is this going to be implemented for both Melee and Brawl? I'd suggest adding a Brawl rankings aswell for a few reasons.

1) tbh, anyone new to the scene as of this point is almost certainly going to play brawl and not melee.
2) community is gonna get bigger if its based around 2 games and not just the one.
3) I already have 8+ players locally who would take part in brawl ranbats.

 

[COEY]

Brawl is all well and good but i think our community should be maybe using Brawl as an introduction to melee. Sort of how you get a toy hammer before when your little before you ever get a real one

 

[Koop_88]

Alot of brawl players dont like melee because they prefer brawl to melee, or because they aren't as good at melee (as we all know it takes alot of time to learn all the advanced techniques).

Brawl is the new big thing and people who haven't played melee wont be prepared to take a step down to melee level.
Some people, even after playing melee, and learning all the advanced techniques STILL prefer brawl (like myself).

So with that in mind, I think they should go more or less hand in hand.

 

[Frozenwave]

Well considering brawl, the rules are still in dispute no? Like Evo tried to inforce items at their tournaments.

=/ i really dont know if this is possible. i like the idea, but imo it doesnt need to be so consistant, basically each area only needs to nominate so many peeps just before a tourney, if peeps cant decide then a ranbat should take place. imo

Nah I wanna do the ranbat to show Neo Empire we are actually here.

This is for melee right? And whats with SINGLE ELIMINATION? lol. Also the top 2 qualify for this other tounament, when would this take place at a normal tournament? Surely the normal tourney would provide mostly accurate results. Or would Neo empire just run them for the winners of each area? But then i can only see that at most having 8 finalists and that would mean fantastic prize money.....

That im not entirely sure of =/. Im just trying to get us noticed by NE so we can get tournaments run at their events. If any of you went to BoD youd know how awesome NeoEmpire events are.

Is this going to be implemented for both Melee and Brawl? I'd suggest adding a Brawl rankings aswell for a few reasons.

1) tbh, anyone new to the scene as of this point is almost certainly going to play brawl and not melee.
2) community is gonna get bigger if its based around 2 games and not just the one.
3) I already have 8+ players locally who would take part in brawl ranbats.

If you wanna then yeah, cept in london I am not gonna try get 8 people together haha. Then youd have 2 ranbats to run.

I really cant enforce these on you guys, but I wanna just spice up smash for the country somehow, without doing tournaments myself because IM POOR AS HOMELESS. But London people better post up with wether you wanna do it or not ._.

 

[COEY]

Fair enough Sam i was only kidding anyway But i think it's important if you want NE to take us seriously as a community we need to sort out what game the community is for. I mean here in good old North Western England melee is the game we all want to keep playing tbh. There wouldnt be the interest for a brawl ranbat so no one would show, and 0 is alot less than 8.

Also as for convincing new players into melee just show them the set of Dashizwiz vs M2K from Fast1, then show them the set of Ken vs CPU from Evo 2K8 Brawl Finals. If that doesnt convince them nothing will

 

[Mr P]

this wont be happening in scotland, I'm not going to say what i think about the idea.

 

[COEY]

Would you be able to get 8 regular players anyway? Plus do tell your opinion Mr Pokemon, it'd be good just for the banter.

 

[Frozenwave]

The mafia only has 6 people :|

 

[Retroking2000]

i only got one word for that ______.

 

[Cpt.Zeppo]

I dont like the idea at all, we dont need rankings all we need is more tournaments and thats the only reason the scene is dead at the moment.

 

[COEY]

Yea but the idea isn't just for rankings or so i believe, the purpose is to keep your area active and if you keep results of these ranbats posted and any vids uploaded too then newer players might join us and possibly host. Plus the fact NE might add smash to its roster at events. So i don't see how it could hurt, just another reason to have a fest really.

 

[Cpt.Zeppo]

I know what you mean but to go from completely dead to this sort of idea is abit over-ambitious. Im pretty sure the only reason Mr Wave has this idea is to get Smash in with NE, and that isnt a bad thing but its dreaming to think that a country not willing to do anything for 6 months would genuinely jump at this opportunity. The best thing Mr Wave could do right now is set up a tourney of his own and then see what sort of interest that generates. To expand the community and get more tournaments going can only be a good thing, but to have needless regional battle banter and single elimination not so much.

 

[Frozenwave]

MrWave has an obvious handicap to charles. No Money. However im trying to push for NE to have Smash and MELTY BLOOD (no hating) in events, maybe not major slot with the stage+projector EVO style, but just like 5setups to run a tournament on.

Basically, imagine a fest a month, with videos taken, for evidence to show we exist.

 

[Professor Pro]

Just as long as we do something and have videos so we have proof of our level it will attract people IMOOOOOO!!!!!!!

 

[Bullet Bill]

Brawl is all well and good but i think our community should be maybe using Brawl as an introduction to melee. Sort of how you get a toy hammer before when your little before you ever get a real one

brawl IMO is not an easier version of melee. If that was the case then at TKI all the melee players would have cleaned up. It's a very different game. Hardly anyone like brawl though so I'm prob just wasting my breath.

 

[Bullet Bill]

Just to clarify- there are more smashers in Scotland than just the mafia. I think it is possible to do what frozenwave has said but like will said it would only be London the NW and Scotland.

 

[COEY]

The melee players did clean up... with the exceptions of Koop (plays melee), Gladam (went to his first melee tourney years before i'd even played the game), Yeniths, and Skalor. And the biggest problem was that they didn't play brawl like melee players, the fact that they came into the scene through playing brawl has given them a slightly different play style than occurs when playing melee making them slightly more difficult to read. Though this does apply to alot of newer players, kinda like with poker if they don't really know what they are doing that makes them random and almost impossible to read. But if i'm not wrong every player from the melee scene passed pools in a game that had only been out for a couple of months. The problem with brawl is with the lack of certain AT's it's hard to get that edge over newer players that you have with melee.

 

[Frozenwave]

So is there interest from London at least, we need a definate 8+ to run this.

 

[Professor Pro]

brawl IMO is not an easier version of melee.

Its a fact that it is easier to get to a higher level at then melee and that it is shiter

So is there interest from London at least, we need a definate 8+ to run this.

Can you atleast tell us who is interested soo far we so know how much we got to go until we get to 8?

 

[Professor Pro]

Oh yeah, what are people are talking about combining the ranbats with the whole of the UK, I thought it was meant to be 3 individual areas of the UK.

 

[Frozenwave]

Something pretty impossible Ppro.

Ppro, first page, look at it =/. Just add more people

 

[Professor Pro]

I already said I was interested lol so why aint I on the list, along with 4stock and The Last Dragon.

 

[Koop_88]

Its a fact that it is easier to get to a higher level at then melee and that it is ****ter

Probably the dumbest thing I've heard in the thread, and from the guy who hasn't actually played brawl to any decent standard and is creating his "fact" on ignorance alone. I'm not suprised.

Its easier to get to a higher level in melee because its been around longer, because more advanced techniques which seperate the good from the bad have been discovered and because it has an unchanging tier. Being the fantastic melee player you claim to be PPro, you should know that.


And yeah, the melee players did more or less clean up at TKI, those of us who weren't melee scene players did have a very different playstyle and it could be a reason we did so well. There is an identifiable line between a good brawler and a bad/new one, it just isn't as easy to see as melee. I think I prefer it that way tbh, it prevents horribly boring 4stocks and stuff.

 

[Yeniths]

sounds like a challenge

I've been playing a lot of melee as it stands right now, trying to get the local community into it. I've no idea how I'd face against most of you guys, would be interesting.

 

[Professor Pro]

Probably the dumbest thing I've heard in the thread, and from the guy who hasn't actually played brawl to any decent standard and is creating his "fact" on ignorance alone. I'm not suprised.

Its easier to get to a higher level in melee because its been around longer, because more advanced techniques which seperate the good from the bad have been discovered and because it has an unchanging tier. Being the fantastic melee player you claim to be PPro, you should know that.


And yeah, the melee players did more or less clean up at TKI, those of us who weren't melee scene players did have a very different playstyle and it could be a reason we did so well. There is an identifiable line between a good brawler and a bad/new one, it just isn't as easy to see as melee. I think I prefer it that way tbh, it prevents horribly boring 4stocks and stuff.

Loool at you being dumb. I was joking about me saying melee being better then brawl is a fact, obviously it is an opinion, but if your smart you would have realised that. I have played brawl and I dont need to play it ALOT for my opinion to be stated.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL No it is not easier to get better at melee then brawl, doesnt matter how long the game has been out, if a new person came along and played brawl and then played melee there is no way he would be better in melee and worst in brawl because he would have to learn the AT techniques and then learn how to input them in their gameplay, what would he have to learn in brawl how to spam and roll, real hardwork and time put in there.

I dont care about what happened at TKI I werent there. I prefer to see the level of people, lets me know what I am up against and makes it interesting, its boring if you struggle to seperate a good player from a bad player, shows has easy it is to get good at the game lol.

Next time try to include some intelligence in your post and read my post correctly to see if its a joke or something otherwise you just to conclusions, it would be helpful. Oh and yes thank you for calling me a fantastic melee player... I know I am

 

[Mr P]

Probably the dumbest thing I've heard in the thread, and from the guy who hasn't actually played brawl to any decent standard and is creating his "fact" on ignorance alone. I'm not suprised.

Its easier to get to a higher level in melee because its been around longer, because more advanced techniques which seperate the good from the bad have been discovered and because it has an unchanging tier. Being the fantastic melee player you claim to be PPro, you should know that.


And yeah, the melee players did more or less clean up at TKI, those of us who weren't melee scene players did have a very different playstyle and it could be a reason we did so well. There is an identifiable line between a good brawler and a bad/new one, it just isn't as easy to see as melee. I think I prefer it that way tbh, it prevents horribly boring 4stocks and stuff.

I've spent a whole 10 mins or so playing brawl and Ant said i was top 5 in the UK, i took him pretty close. I'm pretty sure that if the rest of my crew put the 10 mins in it requires to get decent at brawl then they would be "good" too. To compete at the top of the UK in melee would take anyone a while to get there, minimum of 6 months to a year i would say that's if they were a very quick learner.

 

[COEY]

I agree that maybe brawl has some AT's left to be discovered. But i believe as we know what to look for now with brawl so almost any sort of canceling or such would have almost certainly been discovered by now. And to be fair Euan if you didn't have so muchb experince with melee it might have taken a while longer than 10 mins to get good at it though i see your point.

And as for it being boring 4 stocking someone, its never boring being 4 stocked. In fact if i hadn't have been slaughtered so much with melee i'm not sure i'd have had the motivation to get as half decent as i am atm.

 

[Professor Pro]

I've spent a whole 10 mins or so playing brawl and Ant said i was top 5 in the UK, i took him pretty close. I'm pretty sure that if the rest of my crew put the 10 mins in it requires to get decent at brawl then they would be "good" too. To compete at the top of the UK in melee would take anyone a while to get there, minimum of 6 months to a year i would say that's if they were a very quick learner.

True. You are amazing, Koop is an idiot.

I agree that maybe brawl has some AT's left to be discovered. But i believe as we know what to look for now with brawl so almost any sort of canceling or such would have almost certainly been discovered by now. And to be fair Euan if you didn't have so muchb experince with melee it might have taken a while longer than 10 mins to get good at it though i see your point.

And as for it being boring 4 stocking someone, its never boring being 4 stocked. In fact if i hadn't have been slaughtered so much with melee i'm not sure i'd have had the motivation to get as half decent as i am atm.

I see your point to, but the FACT still remains its easier to get better at brawl then melee.

Koop is an idiot. Nice attempt though koop on trying to make a point, stick around you might learn something.

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

I've spent a whole 10 mins or so playing brawl and Ant said i was top 5 in the UK, i took him pretty close. I'm pretty sure that if the rest of my crew put the 10 mins in it requires to get decent at brawl then they would be "good" too. To compete at the top of the UK in melee would take anyone a while to get there, minimum of 6 months to a year i would say that's if they were a very quick learner.

You can learn in a year, just need to be determined. I dun it.

EDIT: this is VA

 

[Koop_88]

Ppro. The point about TKI wasn't aimed at you whatsoever because you weren't there.

I never said it was easier to get good at melee, on the contrary I think it is much much harder. Obviously if you are very good at melee you grasp the concept of the game and can apply it to brawl. Its like being awesome at Soul Calibur 3 and then applying it to Soul Calibur 4. Obviously you are gonna rock, even if its slightly different. A person who hasn't played melee cannot just turn around and kick *** at brawl, it takes plenty of work.

And as for koop being an idiot, I wasn't annoyed at the fact you stated melee was harder to get good at, its a correct statement, what annoyed me was you feeling the need to suggest a game is ****ter because there is a smaller divide between good players and bad players. And as for your "I was joking", to be honest you probably weren't joking at all, you just always curl up in a ball when someone responds negatively to the **** you occasionally type and try and counter it with "I was joking!".

Apparently the basis of your comeback is that somewhere I said "melee is easier to get good at than brawl". I never said nor implied anything like that so you fail majorly.

 

[Professor Pro]

Its easier to get to a higher level in melee because its been around longer

I never said it was easier to get good at melee, on the contrary I think it is much much harder.

loool.

what annoyed me was you feeling the need to suggest a game is ****ter because there is a smaller divide between good players and bad players.

I wasn't suggesting that it was a **** game because there is smaller divide between good and bad players, thats just the message that you got from it. I was just calling it a **** game all together lol. Due to the combos and slowness.

And as for your "I was joking", to be honest you probably weren't joking at all, you just always curl up in a ball when someone responds negatively to the **** you occasionally type and try and counter it with "I was joking!".

Of course I was joking loool your still not getting what I was joking about, I see your still a bit dumb and slow so I will help you. I think the game is ****, but I said it is a fact that the game is ****, and then I said afterwards I said 'I was joking' about it being a fact because obviously it is not a fact it is an opinion. So if you think me stating after I said something 'I was joking' is me curling into a ball it was because I had to say it because a dummy couldnt understand the joke (you)

Apparently the basis of your comeback is that somewhere I said "melee is easier to get good at than brawl". I never said nor implied anything like that so you fail majorly.

Again I must show this loool

Its easier to get to a higher level in melee because its been around longer, because more advanced techniques which seperate the good from the bad have been discovered and because it has an unchanging tier. Dunno what you were talking about here lol, go and learn something.

I never said it was easier to get good at melee, on the contrary I think it is much much harder.

I thought I told you to reply with some intelligence in your post, it atleast helps if you can remember your posts.

You can learn in a year, just need to be determined. I dun it.

You have the best determination in the UK to become the best (never gonna happen) but you had the worst improvement rate out of all the good people (I said good people because of Chrisboi has the worst improvement rate).
But now that you have gone to Canada and you said you have improved and stuff I really wanna play you and cant wait to you get back so I can kiss you baby and have some good games, but mostly kissing.

 

[COEY]

Just thought i'd post this here, on NE i was mentioning how evo should have listened to melee players in regards to items as should all serious people about running competitive brawl. I was then told that melee and brawl are different games......... So i made a nice orderly post followed by this.

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Basically what i'm saying is though they are different games take away melee at's, chance to not auto sweetspot, make crouching useless unless your character can crawl (lol), make the physics feel more like it's underwater than anything, make almost all grabs either useless for setting up combos or a chain grab, make it visually more appealing, give it orchastrated music, add 2 third party characters, a robot, a penguin in a santa outfit, kirby with armour, a boy angel, a fat guy on his motorbike, a ****** with flowers for minions,a big bad wolf, a smaller version of DK with a gun(same initials....), a marginally different bloner ness with no hat and a stick, a boy from pallet town with his 3 best firends/slaves, swap mewtwo fro lucario, roy for ike, young link for toon link who still looks kinda young.., let samus take her clothes off, new stages...or at least more aesthetic remakes of old stages they got rid of not to mention the ones they kept. And then you have brawl.

Discuss.