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I feel Mythra's lack of range compared to Pyra pretty hard, so I dunno. And why do you say her tilts have killing power? Wouldnt they only kill at like 250% or something?
are fun characters to play and the music they bought with them is great. It’s just as well there is only two more characters left until Ultimate DLC ends as there is enough space on the CSS to add 4 more characters after. But oh well.
Exagerating XD.
Mythra can also say "YER DUN" when tagging in.
Mythra, because her speed and combo potential are insane and her moves generally look stylish as all hell. I'm also biased because I think she's a much more interesting character than Pyra and her design is more appealing. Not to say that I don't enjoy Pyra, mind you, but I feel like she's a bit too slow with a lot of her moves.
Maybe you just got lucky with kos for Mythra up to now. It's not really easy to be consistent with it. But then again because Pyra's slow it's not consistent there too. Except for up-b XD
Yeah that's what I mean though. Pyra isn't consistent either because she's incredibly slow. She's as slow as Ganondorf. I get she's meant for purely being used in advantage state but she can't chase at all. Her kill power is shockingly weak outside of smashes as well. 120 at ledge from tilts and gentleman and 140 from like up tilt and up air isn't particularly powerful at all for moves that are so laggy. I know I said down air was great, but it's mostly for it's hitbox alone. It's meteor effect is surprising weak despite the devastating sound it makes when it hits. Making her as slow as Ganondorf when she isn't even as powerful as Ike just seemed very unnecessary.
The thing about Pyra though is that you can ko someone at such an early %, and up-b out of shield is consistent enough, so I feel that she's good to switch to unless you think youll then be a sitting duck too much when they're letting you chase.
I'm not saying she can't kill or anything. And d-air to up b is a combo I actually use often when I do switch to Pyra. But she isn't that great at killing as it was originally implied. Up tilt can't kill until about 140-150 from ground level if the enemy di's properly. Same with back air even at ledge. Up air can't even kill Ike with proper di on the top platform at 140. Again, these aren't necessarily bad numbers. Her kill power off if stray hits is just shockingly low for somebody with bottom 3 run speed and a terrible dash to match.
If you're playing against heavies maybe. Ive seen lots of pyra's moves kills before or around 100. If youre playing that heavy, then mythra's f-smash would only ko at like 170%+, it's really not a good ko move. Mythra's best seems to be up-smash, I've seen it kill around 120, and plus it can be used out of shield. It's possible to use Mythra on her own and be fine, but Pyra is a ko powerhouse. Once you reach around 100% almost anything can start killing, and before that up-b can kill super early.
I mentioned this before that I would use them both equally but then I suddenly find myself using Mythra more than Pyra mainly because of her speed. I’m not used to playing as characters who feel slow and sluggish, hence why I barely switch to Pyra unless it’s to deliver the killing blow. Plus I agree that Mythra is a much more interesting character than Pyra but I still like them both.
I can't see tilts and aerials killing an opponent before at least 120% unless you got some nutso rage or they can't DI. Up tilt doesn't even kill Mario on BF platform until about 130. Again, not a bad number. It's actually great. I just don't understand what it is about these admittedly solid kill percents that mean she has to be in the same speed tier as Ganondorf and Incineroar who kill earlier and can actually go for a DJ Dair below the stage and not die for it, with their spikes even killing ABSURDLY earlier. I don't want her killing as early as they do though because Pyra still has Mythra. I just don't think there's anything about the character constitutes being one of the absolute least mobile characters in the game.
When you can switch to being fast whenever you darn well please, would it even really matter if Pyra was even slower than Ganondorf? Chasing people is not what Pyra is meant to do anyway. You switch to her when you want people to come to you, or at least create an opening. Because even with all her speed and fast moves, if the opponent is dead-set on defense, it can be surprisingly hard for Mythra to dislodge them.
She does have disjoints, that counts for quite a bit
I'm talking about chasing in advantage state, which Pyra definitely wants to do if they're at death percent. Pyra has a bottom 5 initial dash, bottom 3 run speed, and only average air speed. It also takes a second to change between the two which makes it inconsistent. This essentially relegates her to ledge trapping duty for consistently killing unless the character she's against has an atrocious air speed or big frame like Ganondorf.
While the air speed alone probably puts Mythra ahead in recovering overall, she isn't always the clear-cut better choice here. Throwing projectiles at Mythra can stop Photon Edge fairly easily, and her up special actually doesn't go nearly as high as Pyra's when used in the air. A team effort may actually be the best approach here.She does have disjoints, that counts for quite a bit
But I do think her recovery should be better. Right now someone pretty much should always switch to mythra to recover. I guess that's.. ok. Just could be better.
Mythra's little hop from the projectile gives her an extra boost, but anyway the air speed is enough to make her good overall, you have way more options too is the thing. When I'm Pyra offstage I don't feel safe XD
If Mythra is at the point where she needs to actually fire the Ray to reach the edge, almost everybody standing there could smack her hard for it due to the delay in snapping.
If you go under the stage enough it's fine enough, but yeah Pyra's is faster so is a little better-ish. But overall with the air speed it's not enough to make her good to recover, imo. I'll definitely try to compare a bit more since you brought it up, but right now I much rather always switch to mythra if I want to survive
A few pro players can still have exaggerated impressions of characters. I've seen a few raving about how super good they are, but then you see some who feel they're just ok. Dabuz doesn't think they're part of the best or anything. People still don't know everything, especially on the second day of them lol. xD
I just thought of something: Sephiroth has stated he will never be a memory.
It seemed people caught on pretty quickly that Min Min was insane when she could effortlessly two frame the whole cast with a kill move.
Really? Seemed to take Japan to get people to change their tunes. Overall, you seem kinda pessimistic. I am about Pyra, but that's at least partly I like her and don't want her to be competitively irrelevant.
