Trying to become a Marth main. I still suck.

[Archangel]

So yeah I've been playing marth more lately. I've decided playing Fox is to difficult for me simply because I struggle after taking 2 weeks off from playing him and suddenly my moves that I once had down are now hard for me. I seem to have to re-master them whenever I start playing again and it's kinda halting my progress. So I shifted focus to my secondaries Marth/Falcon. I'm moving Closer to Marth just because Its so much fun playing him and most ppl I play don't know how to fight marth at alls so it's fun to dominate ppl with the almighty sword. The problem is....I still kinda...suck.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndj6d2WM5-Q vs Falco

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PwJBkbSBMs vs Shiek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wejvddUOvnU vs gannon

Feel free to Critique but...just try not to hurt my feeling

 

[Archangel]

Bump!........

 

[zhao_guang]

I'm not really an expert, but here's some generic stuff I noticed:

Work on your spacing for both your aerials and positioning. Some times you'd correctly predict a tech-roll or something like that, but you would be in a bad position, so you'd miss the grab/tilt/smash. (happened quite a few times vs. the Falco). When you were playing the Sheik, you would toss out SHFFL'ed n-airs, f-airs and b-airs into her shield without any spacing at all. Fortunately for you, that Sheik didn't shieldgrab many of them

Try not to get nervous when you're under pressure (I do this too). It's easy to auto-sidestep or roll when you're under heavy pressure, but that can become very predictable, especially if you start doing the same moves after a sidestep or roll. Just stay calm and try to make the good decision.

It'd be easier to critique you if you played someone better who punished your habits and mistakes haha. But ah well, hope I helped out a bit

 

[Archangel]

yeah. I need better competition. I still make mistakes because I can get away with it. I do play better against better opposition.

 

[Niko45]

Vs. Falco: He barely lasered. When he did it seemed like you just full hop nair'd and just made it work somehow. Try to force yourself to stay on the ground and wavedash OOS after being lasered. You can also run at him with shield and then fair out of shield after the laser or even shield grab if ur close enough.

Sheik: Up throw sheik. If you can up throw to up tilt, great, but most of the time sheik will jump out. Once they use the double jump if you can catch them in a juggle they are pretty much dead.

Ganon: Near the ledge dtilt after an fthrow. Don't give ganon height since its better for his recovery. Don't edge guard him with reverse nairs from the ledge. Just dtilt or fsmash him if you think you can measure the tipper. If you fsmash, watch for ganon down Bing because often ganon's will down B too close to you and then you can run off weak fair them and they are dead.

In general tho you're fsmashing on stage a ton so watch out for that. Keep working on fairs and keep looking for off stage dairs like you're doing.

 

[FoxLisk]

all those random aerials should be getting you killed. I don't know about other people's vs marth games, but whenever I'm playing vs marth I watch to see when he jumps because a jumping marth (especially one jumping towards me) is an easy marth to punish. stay grounded and use e.g. your ridiculous crouch cancel, your broken grab game, and some retreating fairs until you have a reason to jump in.

 

[Archangel]

Vs. Falco: He barely lasered. When he did it seemed like you just full hop nair'd and just made it work somehow. Try to force yourself to stay on the ground and wavedash OOS after being lasered. You can also run at him with shield and then fair out of shield after the laser or even shield grab if ur close enough.

Sheik: Up throw sheik. If you can up throw to up tilt, great, but most of the time sheik will jump out. Once they use the double jump if you can catch them in a juggle they are pretty much dead.

Ganon: Near the ledge dtilt after an fthrow. Don't give ganon height since its better for his recovery. Don't edge guard him with reverse nairs from the ledge. Just dtilt or fsmash him if you think you can measure the tipper. If you fsmash, watch for ganon down Bing because often ganon's will down B too close to you and then you can run off weak fair them and they are dead.

In general tho you're fsmashing on stage a ton so watch out for that. Keep working on fairs and keep looking for off stage dairs like you're doing.

all those random aerials should be getting you killed. I don't know about other people's vs marth games, but whenever I'm playing vs marth I watch to see when he jumps because a jumping marth (especially one jumping towards me) is an easy marth to punish. stay grounded and use e.g. your ridiculous crouch cancel, your broken grab game, and some retreating fairs until you have a reason to jump in.

@NIKO thanks for the advice. I've seen your marth and you definitely know what your talking about.

@both

to explain why I full jump so much, Especially against Falco is because it works on his falco. Since 90% of my smash matches are against him I've adapted to play him that way. 2 reasons. 1 His Falco style is crazy what I call "Braveheart Style". He doesn't hide behind his lasers at all...in fact he only learned how to shorthop laser like a month ago and he barely uses it still. When he does do it he usually doesn't fast fall at the right time so his lasers kinda hover a bit. So Either I run under it or jump over it. 2nd. My Marth plays weird and so do the rest of my characters because of 1 main flaw in my game. I.....can't jump out of my shield. . I've been playing for years now but never tried to master it. So sometimes when you see a fawked up air-dodge or a roll it may have simply been me messing up.

The worse thing that can happen to me when I'm playing is if I'm in against someone that I can beat. I some ppl I play like. Irish Mafia for example would be like...wow he got worse at the game. I just feel way to comfortable sometimes using marth against ppl who don't know how to fight me. So I just fawk around and do random stuff. Is there any advise you can give to help me stay focused with marth. I mean...even the best of marths like M2K for example have that problem. He lost focus against Armada and let him back into the match and ended up losing it....I guess it's tough for all marths.

 

[I.B]

When you're edgeguarding Sheik, try not to give up the edge if you have it. I noticed you got a little reckless and tried to wavedash off -> bair to try and catch her off guard I'm guessing? Your safest edeguarding option vs Sheik would be holding the edge and forcing her to Up-B onto the stage. Since she has loads of landing lag from her Up-B, it gives you enough time to ledgewavedash into a punish of your choice (I'd recommend a tipper F-smash or a D-air into F-smash/Dair depending if she DI's off stage after the first D-air).

I'd recommend you drop chaingrabbing in your friendlies here and there so you can polish other parts of your game such as shieldgrab timing (I noticed a couple instances where he got away with aerial on your shield -> spot dodge when he shouldn't have). Also work on your general movement in and out of your attacks. Do N-airs/late F-airs and dash out of them ASAP, it's good practice.

Lastly, work on your shield game. Everything from short hopping out of your shield, to wavedashing either backwards or forwards out of your shield and at different lengths.

Hope that helps.

 

[FoxLisk]

Losing focus during games against weaker players has nothing to do with marth, it's a personal weakness that many of us share. If you're trying to improve, you have to focus. Don't pretend it's anything except your own fault when it happens.

 

[Niko45]

Losing focus during games against weaker players has nothing to do with marth, it's a personal weakness that many of us share. If you're trying to improve, you have to focus. Don't pretend it's anything except your own fault when it happens.

This is generally true, tho Marth can really highlight this problem worse than other characters. You can probably jump around with fox nair shining mindlessly and eventually hit something, but Marth needs to make his moves count and the fine line between ****** and getting ***** seems much slimmer than other characters.

Generally for focusing, I would work on what has been discussed already. I also try to remind myself to be patient and don't do moves for no reason, as that's mostly how you may suddenly start getting wrecked. Aggression is necessary here and there to keep people off balance, but try to stay disciplined because a few successful aggressive approaches in a row can get you into the habit of just approaching all the time.

 

[Archangel]

Respected opinions/notes. I need to get out and play more I guess. I need to start going out of state. Any tournaments happening around DE?

as for practicing my movement well...I watched really good Marth's the past few days and....it makes me feel like i'm in slow motion. I played some matches earlier today and I have been dropping chaingrabs/easy kills to try and perfect that harder more professional choices. I got fawked up a few times but I'm getting better at Shielding lasers. Thanks for the advise so far. I could always use more.

 

[Jun.]

marth needs to grab

marth needs dash dance shenanigans to get more grabs

dashing to your opponents back during dodge wars and even normally is the ONE thing that I somehow learned unwillingly that I believe is the most important part of his game. A quick dash to pivot to the back is in most cases safe and will also help bait a spot dodge. Most players against marth will have a bad tendency to panic and spot dodge when they are getting up and a dash dance or a dash to the back to pivot will be enough time to wait out the spot dodge.

You'll be playing marth one day and will probably do this accidently and think to yourself "**** I'm ****** now." That's what happened to me lol.

 

[Archangel]

marth needs to grab

marth needs dash dance shenanigans to get more grabs

dashing to your opponents back during dodge wars and even normally is the ONE thing that I somehow learned unwillingly that I believe is the most important part of his game. A quick dash to pivot to the back is in most cases safe and will also help bait a spot dodge. Most players against marth will have a bad tendency to panic and spot dodge when they are getting up and a dash dance or a dash to the back to pivot will be enough time to wait out the spot dodge.

You'll be playing marth one day and will probably do this accidently and think to yourself "**** I'm ****** now." That's what happened to me lol.

lol I think it already happened

 

[Jun.]

just watched couple of your marth videos.

spaced fairs to dtilt should work wonders. spaced fair to utilt too on fast fallers, it wrecks them.

 

[Archangel]

Thats pretty much what everyone has told me. Now I just gotta do it haha.

 

[Taylor-Corn]

I just watched your videos and its really wierd, we are like an exact equal play level. I thought it was me playing for a while I have a friend that plays falco and he doesnt punish me for jumping over his lasers, so i do that too...kinda wierd

 

[Archangel]

I just watched your videos and its really wierd, we are like an exact equal play level. I thought it was me playing for a while I have a friend that plays falco and he doesnt punish me for jumping over his lasers, so i do that too...kinda wierd

yea....I know its incorrect but it works on him so I use it lol! got any vids.

 

[Retroking2000]

you looked very good i would suggest you pivot forward Bs.

just to close your opponents reaction options . esp vs sheik

most sheiks dash attack after obvious follow ups you could possibly CC and grab then throw up to start juggling.

character to character sheik is just too much .

so try mindgaming your attacks. like mix up your dashes just try to give false information to sheik

other than that great marth

 

[Archangel]

you looked very good i would suggest you pivot forward Bs.

just to close your opponents reaction options . esp vs sheik

most sheiks dash attack after obvious follow ups you could possibly CC and grab then throw up to start juggling.

character to character sheik is just too much .

so try mindgaming your attacks. like mix up your dashes just try to give false information to sheik

other than that great marth

Thanks. I will consider all this.