Tranquility - Game Over

[#HBC | ѕoup]

My BS? Did you forget what I just said to you when you questioned why I was voting him?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm seriously not going to regurgitate some **** just because you ask me to. I've literally had my stance on Kantplay concrete for the longest time now. I even made a case of my own on him. Did you forget all this? I dropped it however in favor of Shen who I felt would help clear things up for me, but since he's not the play anymore, it defaults back to Kantplay.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

nevermind just read ruys ****ty lynch list

damn.. well we kno who scum is takin to endgame

also gheb way to invite *****s to body potato then turn around and take issue with *****s hoppin the wagon. what do you expect? you want me to regurgitate your case?

This implies you think I am town here, and that outside of yourself someone else on my lynch list is bad, I would assume Soup? If I got a straight answer out of you instead of playing an evasive game I wouldn't have to constantly second guess you.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Lynching him yes, quicklynching him no. I want clear and consise stances from everybody on who they think the play is toDay and the next Days. Don't want people like Ryu or soup get away with their BS so easily.

Would rather say Vinyl is the play and not Kantrip, but if that wasn't possible I'd hammer Kantrip over a nl.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@ Kantrip you should claim asap.

 

[Kantrip]

Did I seriously just get quicklynched randomly out of nowhere?

Welp, I was town. YOLO's hop on my wagon was disgusting, last I checked I wasn't even on his list of people who needed to die.

Make sure if Gheb or YOLO are alive in LyLo you kill them. Lynch Nabe and Vinyl as well and it should be game. If not, look at shenan again and definitely mass-claim.

good luck

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

And now onto Kantrip:



1.) I mentioned that I liked the posts you made toDay more and felt you responded to Yolo and others pretty well. There was a lot of truth in how you argued so I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt until you responded to my accusation.

2.) I don't like how you've lumped people with shenan toDay, that much is true but my issue with you has become threefold by now. a.) the original point was that you've voted and pushed **** alongside shenan who had been your most consistent scumread a lot. This point still stands to me - I consider it to be factual at this point b.) You turned the whole point against me and concluded it was scummy rather than just wrong. This needs to be explained in detail cuz it toally reads like a defensive panic-reaction to me [especially since I'm convinced that assumption a.) is correct anyway] and c.) you've lumped people with shen a lot toDay and I fail to see the point of that.



Yep.



The better question is: what's the town intent? You've connected me to shen and called me scummy, you've had Yolo in your scumpool and mentioned him as a possible scummate of shen and so you did with Nabe. And then there's shen himself who is your "prefered" lynch according to you. Just how many scummates do you think shen has? Since I assume that you're not fundamentally opposed to a Vinyl lynch either you were basically saying that five of the nine remaining players were good lynches - until shen claimed cop and it all fell apart.

Do you want me tell you what possible scum intent could lie behind your actions? One example would be to keep multiple lynch options available so you can jump on nearly any wagon without having left majpr contradictions.

This is actually kind of legitimate though, didn't think of it like this when he was pondering Shen.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Did I seriously just get quicklynched randomly out of nowhere?

Welp, I was town. YOLO's hop on my wagon was disgusting, last I checked I wasn't even on his list of people who needed to die.

Make sure if Gheb or YOLO are alive in LyLo you kill them. Lynch Nabe and Vinyl as well and it should be game. If not, look at shenan again and definitely mass-claim.

good luck

Your role?

 

[Kantrip]

@ Kantrip you should claim asap.

Was just vanilla townie

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Kantrip you're at L-1.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Votecount 3:3

Vinyl. [0] -
Shenanigenius [2] - YOLOSWAG, Nabe
Red_Antoine [0] -
soup [0] -
Potassium [1] - Gheb_01
Gheb_01 [0] -
WashedLaundry [0] -
YOLOSWAG [0] -
Nabe [1] - Shenanigenius

Not voting [5] - Vinyl, Red_Antoine, soup, WashedLaundry, Potassium

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 11:59PM GMT, Thursday 16th January 2014

Previous Votecount

I do not currently have a replacement for Vinyl., I am still looking for one.
As Vinyl is still posting, he won't be modkilled.

If I counted right, only Soup, Yolo and Gheb, nvm that is l-2, but w/e.

 

[Red_Antoine]

Vote: Vinyl

I prefer this indefinitely.

 

[Kantrip]

Oh my bad I just came into thread, saw a bunch of votes on me and super-skimmed and saw someone say something about me being quicklynched without counting the votes.

I'd rather lynch YOLOSWAG. His jump on my wagon was grimy and didn't match with his reads at all. Or Nabe if YOLOSWAG is unobtainable. Vinyl I would go for but think the other two are much better options.

 

[Shenanigenius]

That Yolo/Nabe/Soup scumteam theory looking p good right now though...

Yolo switched unnaturally from Kant to Nabe, then back to Kant... then Soup joins him on a literal whim. Nabe just sits there liking the posts. **** reeks.

I want one of these slots bodied today, (will settle for Vinyl barring those). Kant is an ok lynch on paper but the way literally all my scumspects are approaching this sets off major red flags, it's way too easy.

 

[Shenanigenius]

Vote: Yolo

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vote: YOLO

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't know if I made it clear but I was thinking of a YOLO/Nabe/Kant team, which is why I went back to Kantplay on my original reasons. Kantplay's reaction to all this is too good to be true however, and I think this is the best direction to go.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Vote: YOLO

...what the hell?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

got ninja'd nvm.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

That Yolo/Nabe/Soup scumteam theory looking p good right now though...

...when did you EVER have this theory?

 

[Shenanigenius]

Shen is your sanity confirmed? If not ask for clarification.

The role PM doesn't say anything specifically about sanity, I'll check with Kary

 

[Red_Antoine]

Vote: Yoloswag

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Are you kidding me

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

gheb do you think kantplay would fake what he just did? seemed pretty genuine to me

 

[Kantrip]

And now onto Kantrip:



1.) I mentioned that I liked the posts you made toDay more and felt you responded to Yolo and others pretty well. There was a lot of truth in how you argued so I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt until you responded to my accusation.

Okay so to be clear, other than the way I grouped people on a scum team with shenan you like my play? That's literally the only problem you have with it and you're going so ham for me?

2.) I don't like how you've lumped people with shenan toDay, that much is true but my issue with you has become threefold by now. a.) the original point was that you've voted and pushed **** alongside shenan who had been your most consistent scumread a lot.

This point continues to be bad. You can read the game for yourself to see that the only time I
a) had shenan as a scumread
and
b) voted alongside him rather than for him
was on JTB where my scumread on shenan was weaker than my JTB read and I actually though that shenan's jump on the wagon looked like bussing.

The fact that he agrees with my YOLO scumread and we both have a Nabe scumread isn't scummy at all. You're gonna have to explain this for me. Don't you want Vinyl dead? Oh hey, I do too! You're pushing alongside me and I'm your scumread! Or want another example? marshy wants Nabe but Kev is voting me! But I also think Nabe is scum! The YOLO slot is pushing alongside me, an apparent scumread! Or hey, I don't like YOLO, but I also don't like Nabe or Vinyl! I'm pushing both those reads alongside a scumread! But what's your point with this? There is absolutely nothing scummy about sharing scumreads with another scumread. Period.

This point still stands to me - I consider it to be factual at this point

Yeah it is a fact. But it's not scummy. It's 100% null to have reads in common with other players. I have absolutely no idea how you're getting a scumread out of that.

b.) You turned the whole point against me and concluded it was scummy rather than just wrong. This needs to be explained in detail cuz it toally reads like a defensive panic-reaction to me [especially since I'm convinced that assumption a.) is correct anyway]

I was (and am) flabbergasted that you can buy into a scumread on me for such flimsy reasoning as "he voted and pushed with shenan but that was the player he thought was scum the most." That's not even strictly true. Once my scumread on shenan was solid, I didn't vote or push for anyone but him. I had other scumreads, yeah, but shenan was my priority.

and c.) you've lumped people with shen a lot toDay and I fail to see the point of that.

I'll admit that this is true. I'll even admit that it was dumb in light of shenan's claim and my entire readslist falling apart a bit. What I won't admit is that there is something scummy about this. It's the way I read people. I go off of connections, and when there's someone I really think is scum, I'll push hardcore for lynching them and I'll start basing my other scumreads off of who I can see being on a team with them. You are really gonna have to explain to me why this is scummy over just a bad way of obtaining reads. I was setting up other lynches? No, that's not possible because I wanted shenan first, he would flip town cop, and all my other connections to him would be null and void with nothing for me to push. I was keeping lynch options over? That doesn't work either because I had a one-track mind where I wanted shenan first to validate all my other reads and wouldn't settle for anyone but him. So show me Gheb. Show me why I did this as scum.

Yep.



The better question is: what's the town intent? You've connected me to shen and called me scummy, you've had Yolo in your scumpool and mentioned him as a possible scummate of shen and so you did with Nabe. And then there's shen himself who is your "prefered" lynch according to you. Just how many scummates do you think shen has? Since I assume that you're not fundamentally opposed to a Vinyl lynch either you were basically saying that five of the nine remaining players were good lynches - until shen claimed cop and it all fell apart.

Do you want me tell you what possible scum intent could lie behind your actions? One example would be to keep multiple lynch options available so you can jump on nearly any wagon without having left majpr contradictions.

So yeah the scum intent you said here is already impossible. Can you just admit there is none?

Yes I connected a lot of people to shenan as possibilities. I never thought all of them were scum at once. I believe my team looked something like:

YOLO or Gheb + shenan + Vinyl or Nabe or Laundry

I wanted shenan first because in my mind he was the puzzle piece that put the rest of the team together. He was the one who didn't have any "or's" slashed in. So I tried to build a team around him, my biggest scumread, on the premise that I would see him lynched first and I wanted to find who was connected to him as potential scummates. The cop claim ****ed with that and made me realize that's not a good way to get scum reads and I should look more at individual play.

Individual play was still a part of all my reads though. Taking a step back I can say YOLO has the grossest individual play, followed by Nabe. Vinyl is dead null and your play is good except your push on me.

 

[Kantrip]

if im making a serious guesstimate of the team based on shen being legit i would bank on yolo/kantplay/nabe

Let's go for YOLO or Nabe then, because I'm on board with 2/3 of that team.

 

[Shenanigenius]

...when did you EVER have this theory?

It's a lighthearted comment because that's our lynch pool, it's not serious though from the way this game is going I wouldn't be overly surprised

 

[YOLOSWAG]

town has officially lost their minds. smh

 

[Kantrip]

I had a literal 3-5 page argument with Kantplay and I've talked to death about him. He has been on my shortlist for the longest time this game.

It doesn't really matter when it comes to Vinyl., if he flips scum cool we got more time

If he flips town then well we'll be talking about the same old **** we're talking about now

Kantplay lynch gives us much more to work with

I was of the opinion that after we stepped back from throwing dung at each other and I laid out my thoughts for you you felt better. Guess not

 

[YOLOSWAG]

I don't know if I made it clear but I was thinking of a YOLO/Nabe/Kant team, which is why I went back to Kantplay on my original reasons. Kantplay's reaction to all this is too good to be true however, and I think this is the best direction to go.

so whos the team now?

 

[Kantrip]

Vote: YOLOSWAG

L-1

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I was of the opinion that after we stepped back from throwing dung at each other and I laid out my thoughts for you you felt better. Guess not

i was reading you as townie but then shen claimed what he did and i went back on it because i've had it in my head you/yolo are aligned but damn you're pulling all the right townie moves and im willing to be humbled if you're scum

so whos the team now?

i've been over possible teams in my head over and over and im just really ****ing tired of thinking about it, i need a lynch and go from there, and honestly just thinking about the 'team' makes my head ****ing hurt, i think you/nabe/vinyl. are likely

 

[YOLOSWAG]

and when i flip town?

vote nabe

 

[YOLOSWAG]

i dont give a **** if youre tired. mafia is not that exhausting. answer the above

 

[Kantrip]

soup do you think Gheb could be scum?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

ill think about it when i get there, im just worn out and done with this phase

i think the standard you've been holding nabe is ****ing weird like you claim you dislike the slot but at every moment you decide against to push him i mean i even highlighted your weird voting pattern earlier like i dont get why you're giving nabe so much room to breathe but then when the votes come up you pull the hbc again

it's offputting

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

soup do you think Gheb could be scum?

Could I get your opinion on it first? I want to like Gheb. I want to like how he's been playing. I would certainly not lynch him over Nabe/Vinyl.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

ill think about it when i get there, im just worn out and done with this phase

i think the standard you've been holding nabe is ****ing weird like you claim you dislike the slot but at every moment you decide against to push him i mean i even highlighted your weird voting pattern earlier like i dont get why you're giving nabe so much room to breathe but then when the votes come up you pull the hbc again

it's offputting

what are you talking about? wanna kno why nabe wagon never went home? cuz ****** like yu sat there. then shenani claimed and everyone hopped off i IMMEDIATELY moved to nabe. i switched to potato cuz kevin wanted him and we felt momentum from gheb

what game are yu reading?

 

[Kantrip]

Could I get your opinion on it first? I want to like Gheb. I want to like how he's been playing. I would certainly not lynch him over Nabe/Vinyl.

Back when he was playing with poetry he was saying stuff that sounded agreeable enough and everyone liked him, myself included. But if you look back he's kind of playing the sidelines until he stops the poetry. At that point he picks up pushing me for things that I don't even think he believes. His biggest scumtell on me is that my biggest scumread and I had reads in common. And through games I've seen Gheb as scum, making bad pushes are the one thing I've always managed to catch him on.

If I'm wrong on any of my scumreads he'd be the first one I'd sub in.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I thought you changed to potato because of KevMo? That's what you told me before. Don't use me as an excuse as to why you're not pushing him. I'm super surprised that if you're so certain on Nabe that you haven't been pushing him for ****.