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Tranquility - Game Over

Kantrip

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Well I'm not him and he hasn't let me in on any fantastic Kantrip read. Your slot is a crapshoot, you say you're trying something new but it's personally hard to follow you through thread (and that last interaction was plain hard to read, as in difficult to stomach reading). If you put a gun to my head I'd guess town based on how convinced you seemed during that last argument but that guess isn't worth much.

At the very least you and Soup aren't both scum together.
Even if you can't get anything from my early play because I wasn't putting stuff out there, and you can't get stuff from my soup interaction because it was hard to read, you should be able to get something out of all the recent content I've given out. How about my points for you being scum? Do you think they're fair? Do you think people scumreading you is warranted?

And the moment Rake exists I expect the two of you to come up with a cohesive readslist that includes something more solid on me.
 

#HBC | Nabe

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That's what the question was, what about those slots gives you info on flips. Dish gurl. You can't just say "I would lynch you but you're not a scum read" and not back that up.
Those are the slots you've interacted with the most. I have no posts specifically in mind.

That isn't really an answer to the question.

I'm asking you which side of the coin you were for and why, you gave two directions: one on your list, and one in your Marshy summary. I'd like to know which is official.
What coin?
 

Kantrip

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Just skimming Nabe and shenan's interaction on this page... it's weird. I just have a gut strange feeling about it. That is all.
 

Shenanigenius

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Even if you can't get anything from my early play because I wasn't putting stuff out there, and you can't get stuff from my soup interaction because it was hard to read, you should be able to get something out of all the recent content I've given out. How about my points for you being scum? Do you think they're fair? Do you think people scumreading you is warranted?

And the moment Rake exists I expect the two of you to come up with a cohesive readslist that includes something more solid on me.
Honestly I don't remember anything that falls into that category with your play besides your Yolo quips, and those seemed kind of hypocritical considering what you're claiming to do this game wrt playstyle.

I feel like some of it is warranted from our bad play, but a lot of the stuff is just stuff we did legit that people don't like for whatever reason. Like it's true we didn't really go anywhere besides Soup D1, but the day ended early. And we didn't do a whole ton public readswise D2 but no one asked us what they were besides JTB, so people just assumed we had our Soup read constant when it wasn't etc. Like I can't prove to everyone that I didn't come to thread for awhile, then came back and saw Ryu stuff I was taken aback by that my hydra partner wasn't, but I did and I commented on it because that's how I felt. I don't really see how that's scummy, or why I would even bother doing that if I was, and it deffo had nothing to do with replacements like Nabe is angling.

It's a mixed bag, some points are understandable but a lot are bogus or stuff that we can explain whether people accept it or not.



Fair enough on the last point.

Those are the slots you've interacted with the most. I have no posts specifically in mind.


What coin?
I feel like your'e going out of your way to be unhelpful here, just answer this question:

how come you townread him?
 

#HBC | Nabe

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Could you point out specifics with that soup scumread thing, Nabe?

You said his posts chipped away at your read, so I'm curious which posts bugged you and why.
I can point out a couple things tomorrow, and I'd rather not make a blanket statement, but. It's like marshy said D1(?), it's almost like Soup intentionally plays opposite alignments.

I feel like your'e going out of your way to be unhelpful here, just answer this question:
1156?
 

Shenanigenius

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Can you try and explain why town over null since not liking =/= scum but you haven't said why not null yet?
 

#HBC | Nabe

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uhhhhhhhh
Laundry is what you're probably talking about
He's not null because frankly at one point I didn't have any nullreads in my list and since that point he hasn't really posted
But he's also one of those players where I start on a townread / benefit-of-the-doubt and see where it goes
Whereas most players start flatly null
Interesting factoid also: I read D1 and D2 until Laundry's replacement thinking I had replaced Pawn and he had replaced Joey, and I still have not quite shaken that perception despite the actual facts
 

#HBC | Laundry

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ebwop: nvm thought this day started on like page 20 or something

still, getting ready to push into this, might reread over the next couple of days.
 

Shenanigenius

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Alight, I guess that's fair (I'd be a hypocrite if I said my read was any more solid).

For the record I'm okay with Washed's slot on the whole, most of what people are questioning him for is either the fact he was Pawn at one point or the quickhammer, and everything else he did I really had no issue with. The quickhammer was whack, but he at least made it seem like an accident (and I'd be a double hypocrite for raking him over the coals for it since I wanted JTB lynched anyways in my eyes). That's kind of just stagnated there though since he hasn't come in to give us anything to work with toDay
 

Shenanigenius

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SPEAK OF THE DEVIL

Thar he be

You must wait at least 10 seconds before performing this action.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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If it only were so plain! Ours would already be this game!
But it might just be the case that beyond the genius' influnce is the potato's plan
Does he try to disconnect? It's nothing the genius can affect!
He could be innocent and the potato just abuses his limited attention span

It's a complicated matter, for neither conclusion is better
Because in the same hand the genius and the potato *could* be working as a pair
But I can't tell by the potato's way, only by individual play
I can conclude that both players on the name of the same evil master swear


:059:
Okay, so wait. First you say Shen is scum because he's simply hiding behind Ruy's play. Now you're saying that's what Potato's doing to Shen? Or...am I misunderstanding you? If not, that's hella meta, Gheb.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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Alight, I guess that's fair (I'd be a hypocrite if I said my read was any more solid).

For the record I'm okay with Washed's slot on the whole, most of what people are questioning him for is either the fact he was Pawn at one point or the quickhammer, and everything else he did I really had no issue with. The quickhammer was whack, but he at least made it seem like an accident (and I'd be a double hypocrite for raking him over the coals for it since I wanted JTB lynched anyways in my eyes). That's kind of just stagnated there though since he hasn't come in to give us anything to work with toDay
oh boy people dislike me

oh boy it's for **** pawn did

oh boy it's for the quickhammer

who's head do i crack first
 

#HBC | Laundry

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oh boy is this the part of the game where people talk around me without actually interacting with me

are we going to do this ****
 

#HBC | Laundry

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You just got here, no one could interact with you before :happysheep:
Yeh but that doesn't change the fact that you, Soup, Marshy, and I'm going to assume others at the start of the day phase didn't pose questions to me but instead decided to ask questions about me and express paranoia or reservations about my slot to each other rather than direct them at me. That doesn't strike me as somebody trying to read a player at all. I get that Pawn played like **** but I'm not going to allow myself to die just because of it. Even if he did, I will ceaselessly point at KvK, where he played just as badly, got "lynched", and was town. I know I'm not the only one in this game that played in that one. You played in it too, Rake, so did Soup, so did both heads of Red_Antoine, so did Potato, so did Gheb (I guess), and Nabe hosted it. Please tell me someone's taking that into consideration. He's a ****ty player and I assure you that you won't get an accurate read if you try to judge me based on what he did.
 

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Dude, chill out. You literally just quoted a post that told you my opinion on the matter.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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(and that was by no means a standard game)
Still, Pawn's lynch was the one thing closest to regular mafia play there.

And I was simply explaining my thought process though on second review, I see that I did come off a bit sensationalist. I don't know the extent of people's suspicions yet (still reading up) and so I was trying to talk about those things.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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I also find it strange that Gorf died N2 with Circus dying N1.

The scumteam obviously didn't feel threatened by Gorf initially, but something spurred a change of heart and now Gorf is dead.

Then the Day starts with a wagon on me jumpstarted by soup (who I think is just wrong), Gheb, and YOLO.

I like Gheb more than YOLO but I could see myself being wrong on that. The poetry gimmick makes it very hard to read him and annoying to try to decipher what he's trying to say at times.

But anyways, back to my point. The one stance Gorf was adamant about pushing was shenan scum. He compromised a JTB lynch with YOLO on the grounds that they go for shenan toDay.

Then what happens?

Gorf dies and YOLO goes for me instead of shenan.

I'm sure you can see how disgusting this is.

Vote: shenan

We need to stick to shenan and then get YOLO on his scumflip because that is some gross **** right there
Wait, why stick to Shenan? Are you doing more of the "we need a papertrail to catch Marshy" thing or what? Like, you spend the entire post talking about how disgusting Yolo's decision making is and then you turn around and say "yeh let's just kill Shenan".
 

#HBC | Laundry

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having not caught up yet

i'm going to bet $20 that the one championing hate for my hammer is ruy because that's 100% a ruy thing to do
 

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Still, Pawn's lynch was the one thing closest to regular mafia play there.

And I was simply explaining my thought process though on second review, I see that I did come off a bit sensationalist. I don't know the extent of people's suspicions yet (still reading up) and so I was trying to talk about those things.
Well you act like you have one hell of a guilty conscience to come in that strong dude...
 

#HBC | Laundry

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Well you act like you have one hell of a guilty conscience to come in that strong dude...
I kinda realize that but oh well at this point, post is made and I can't undo it. I've been banking on slots to look at me again because of Pawn's **** on D4/d5 if I were around that long and I really don't have a counterargument to that crap outside of pointing to that game. Lemme finish reading up.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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That said

You were wrong on JTB. You haven't even stepped back on this and you're just looking for a place to sit your vote.
If there are two people you hang for being wrong in this game, it is first YOLO and then me. No one else deserves that type of treatment, not even in Nabe. Half the game was wrong on JTB and even the confirmed clear signed off on that wagon.

I'm still looking at Kantplay here as I think now that he's receiving actual pressure for more than a guy with poetry and the subject of the game's first major wagon, he'll actually feel some heat and crack a little bit.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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Is this all you're gonna give me? I'm not seeing the problems you say you and Gheb have with me.

Everyone on the wagon was obviously wrong on JTB. YOLO and shenan were on it too. Who are you to say that I haven't stepped back after seeing his flip? It just doesn't really affect my reads. He needed to die. Sure, I thought he was scum. But it's no big loss. YOLO will say the same thing.
fawk gogdammit don't let his argument be mine too

i don't like how he deflects **** saying "he doesn't see it." i can mildly understand having trouble reading gheb's **** because people were stupid way back when gheb did it in pulp fiction but soup's been a lot more direct about it.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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i shouldnt have to ****ing sit here and yell at people and tell them to put effort into this game if they're town they should want to ****ing do it because they are town

like literally nothing is frustrating than that, majority of town games are not lost because of one individual, not because someone was mis-read, but because town didn't do well as a whole

i have a gut feeling that scum will win this game, but im trying to make sure that doesn't happen.
when one ignores the words their opponent is saying, one feels as if they are the only one doing work

look again at what kantrip's been saying. either you're smart enough to realize you need to pressure him to get him to crack or you're stupid and not trying to read what he's already been saying. i haven't quite figured it out yet but by the time this exchange is done, i should have a solid enough bead on both.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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Like, this is the thing, Soup: you're looking for something specific out of Kantrip (even I'm not quite sure of what) and because he's not giving exactly what you want him to give when he's clearly flustered (League solo queue on top of getting grilled in game will do that to people), you're calling him scum for it. I don't think that's necessarily the case. He's been giving you explanations as to what his reasons are and I'm sure after the entire exchange was completed, I think there will certainly be enough to decide whether he or Shen should go.

At this point, I'm of the opinion that Kantrip is not scum. I've seen him outburst as both alignments but this seems more like the mad Potato from KvK than the one I've seen in E+A (he just straight-up slipped in GS3).
 

#HBC | Laundry

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Yeh, Soup v Potato definitely reads TvT, where one person doesn't know when to stop or reach his conclusion and the other guy's too flustered to do much anything but ***** and moan.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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Tell me how it's bull****. What's my scum intent here to get you lynched?
Like, this **** is the sign that tells me I should probably stop. Kantrip's flustered and is tempted to OMGUS but Soup's taking it as him actually saying "I think Soup is scum." At no point did Kantrip outright say Soup was scum and I don't think he ever would've reached that conclusion anyway, but Soup's obtuse and missed the memo again and so he's trying to goad it. Townies can post bad cases, though.

Thank you for being obtuse enough to make him crack, though, Soup, that's usually the one thing it takes to get an actual bead on Kantrip's alignment.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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The whole point was to make him crack. I don't care if I look muddy in the process because I know I can always redeem myself. The huge deciding factor of my town-play compared to my scum is that I take more risks as town. I'm giving away some of my scum-meta but I will adapt :)
 
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