Tranquility - Game Over

[#HBC | ѕoup]

then dont mention my name and try and sling **** at me

 

[YOLOSWAG]

laundry

wuddya think of potatos interest in my slot?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

soup, you do have nothing. You quoted something for me that I have gone over thrice, and I dissected it again for you. Yet you still insist you have something.

On a shenan scumflip I'd look at YOLO first. On a shenan townflip I'd look more at Ruy. It seems weird to me that he is the only one who sees the **** that your play is right now (**** being ****, not scummy) and is chainsaw defending me, of all people.

What you don't understand is that from your perspective regardless of alignment is that you're not wrong. That's simple as that and nearly every player who is pushed on usually has a reaction of the sort. You can't convince scum that they are scum, you can only push in what you believe and hope to god people will get the message you're trying to convey.

I'm going to remember this game as the game SWF Town decided that pushing your reads or taking action is scummy and a ****ty thing to do. That's literally it. I seriously want to read the Green Room right now because I know they're just as frustrated as I am. You're telling me my play is ****? What do you even want me to do? You want me to sit on my thumbs and sit idly and do nothing like you? You were a mod in Luigi's Mansion. You wanna know why town lost against us? It's because nobody took the ****ing initiative to push their reads and instead concided with just listening to the louder person. Do you remember how those lynches went down? Do you? Sokr got wagoned and scum took advantage of him playing poorly. Frito wasn't doing terribly but scum took advantage of townies shouting at each other and not coming to conclusions to easily slip on it. Circus got stuck in a crappy situation where again, he got wagoned because people just wanted to lynch off the basis that Ryker thought he was scum, or perhaps, that Rake's claim (albeit his ****ty play) was legitmate. Scum had to do nothing but watch the townies bicker and fight with each other. Our goal was nothing more than keeping pressure off of us and pushing lynches as fast as possible. This game is going to end up just like that.

Sit the **** down. All the way. Look at the predicament we're in. Your attitude is disgusting. BSP got himself modkilled, JTB got wagoned because he failed to stay active. Shen is about to get the noose because he's playing like dirt again. We're all literally just deciding on Shen because he isn't playing at the standard we want him to.

That's how SWF Town operates now. Play good, or get lynched. That's literally it. The players who play well enough are lynched without any remorse and people are too scared of the opposition to sit for a ****ing moment and think. I should re-state my previous sentence to say 'play the way people want you to or get lynched' because 'good' is such a skewed idea nowadays that I hardly take someone telling me I'm playing like **** with a credible merit because I'm sitting here trying to my damn near hardest and you want to spit in my face.

I ask you simple things and you can't deliver. You get mad at me and say 'I dissected your case!!! I did it!!! You have nothing!!! You're bad!!! Stop being bad!!!'

Nobody knows how to have a proper discussion anymore. You come at me with such abrasiveness like I have the rope in my hand and I'm ready to lynch you. have you ever thought, that possibly, I don't have all the answers, and I'm trying to get them? Why do you think I push people? Why do you think I'm pushing you? I want information. I want to formulate my reads. Stop treating every ****ing push I make on a personal attack on you, because I swear to god, the next person to tell me that I'm playing like **** really needs to look in a ****ing mirror. What does me playing like **** gain you? Am I playing like **** as scum? As town? Have you answered that? You ****ing haven't. You save there and whined like a child while I tried and reason with you.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I feel a sense of irony in that because townies are not playing good lately. Town wouldn't have gotten run over like they did in Luigi's because they didn't play good. Everyone in the Green Room said it. Everyone was aware. They got outplayed. Stop letting that happen. Stop being lazy. ****ing stop it. I won't tolerate laziness, it's a poor excuse. Townies should be at the top of their game and I shouldn't have to ****ing struggle with getting the tiniest bit of information out of people.

There needs be a serious intervention. Kantplay, put the pitchfork down. Start small with me. Give me a reads-list on everyone. We can try and be civilized. We don't have to ****ing claw and scratch at each other. That does nothing but cause impulsive decisions and people trying hard to bit their tongue. It's also a generally negative environment. I cannot believe I'm having this conversation right now in a non-newbie game. I seriously cannot believe it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

While I'm at it, everyone give me a reads-list. I might be playing like "****" but by god am I not letting this game go down like Luigi's.

 

[Red_Antoine]

Potato
Shenani

I'm very okay with this lynch pool

While I'm at it, everyone give me a reads-list. I might be playing like "****" but by god am I not letting this game go down like Luigi's.

What were you in Luigi's?

I'll have to admit, after what's happened lately really most people are on my chopping block. I'll let ruy handle the vote if he hasn't and get a good re-read at the past day phase sometime.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

JTB [6] - Potassium, YOLOSWAG, Shenanigenius, soup, Cream Team, WashedLaundry

Everyone talk to me about this wagon. tell me who you think is town on this wagon and who you think could be scum. give me a stance on everyone here. do you believe scum was on this wagon? who? do you believe that was scum that wasn't on this wagon?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm very okay with this lynch pool

What were you in Luigi's?

I'll have to admit, after what's happened lately really most people are on my chopping block. I'll let ruy handle the vote if he hasn't and get a good re-read at the past day phase sometime.

Scum. Everyone universally town-read me for the whole game besides a bump in D3.

 

[Kantrip]

No. **** that.

This whole time you've been telling me to stop giving you my scumreads because I was "redirecting to other people instead of responding to your case." You ****ing ****, you can't try to turn this around now and ask for my reads when I've been trying to give them to you because I already knew the argument was pointless.

This whole time you've been like "OMG RESPOND TO MY CASE KANTPLAY" and I looked at your case and it was wrong so I said why each point was wrong. After doing so, I said the direction I wanted to go with the day and why and you said "NO I DON'T WANT YOUR SCUMREADS I WANT YOU TO RESPOND TO MY CASE." So I, once again, went over the points you gave me and explained why they were wrong. Then I tried to explain where to go from there and you just wouldn't take it. And NOW you're telling me to go back to the basics and give you a readslist?

**** you. You can go dig through the thread for it yourself. I've already been trying to give you that information and you spat it out on the floor. Pick it up yourself.

 

[Kantrip]

We're lynching shenan toDay. There is no resistance to this so I don't know why I'm having to swim up a waterfall of **** to get there, but that is what is happening.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Un****ingbeliveable. I try and bury the hatchet and you hold this ****ty ****ing grudge with me. This is what SWFTown is all about nowadays. Everyone is offended and nothing gets done.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

We're lynching shenan toDay. There is no resistance to this so I don't know why I'm having to swim up a waterfall of **** to get there, but that is what is happening.

Great. There's other slots then shen. Let's not make the stupid ****ing mistake we keep making and sit down and talk. I was trying to do that with you but you threw it in my face when you didn't like what you were hearing.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

Scum had to do nothing but watch the townies bicker and fight with each other. Our goal was nothing more than keeping pressure off of us and pushing lynches as fast as possible. This game is going to end up just like that.

yep. ive been getting the feeling that thats whats been going down this game but i have people ******** that i want to go inactive route. but should we lose the game and the team be among them we get to hear people ***** about how the team did nothing and we just killed ourselves. erb

 

[Kantrip]

Great. There's other slots then shen. Let's not make the stupid ****ing mistake we keep making and sit down and talk. I was trying to do that with you but you threw it in my face when you didn't like what you were hearing.

Okay well if you take a look to your left, you'll see the previous page wherein I gave you exactly what you're now asking for.

YOLO is another scumread. Especially on shenan scum but not necessarily only on shenan scum. This is due to the way he handled the start of toDay and Gorf's death. Agreeing with Gorf to go for shenan after JTB, Gorf dies, and he goes for me instead.
Ruy I would look into more on a shenan town flip but I have him as town right now.

Here, I'll give you more for bonus points.

Laundry's hammer bugged me and pawn's play was lackluster, but the rest of Laundry's play has been solid so I wouldn't look at him before others.
You are bugging the **** out of me but I still firmly believe you are town.
Gheb is worrying me. All his content is very agreeable and logical and looks so townie, but he's really not actually existent in this game. I find it very hard to dig through all the poetry to find intent and I end up left with him basically lurking while throwing in side comments now and then. His activity has declined with the recent developments of town bickering with each other and I don't like that either.
Nabe and Vinyl are the definition of crapshoot. I could say one of them probably holds scum, especially on shenan town, but that would just be randomly throwing darts at my PoE dartboard.

I'll even give you a colour-coded list for easy reference.

Potassium
soup
Laundry
Ruy
Vinyl
Nabe
Gheb
YOLO
shen

 

[Red_Antoine]

we have time, why the **** would we rush a lynch and only consider one person

this has been the mentality the whole game and it's getting irritating

I'd ask for read list updates, and I'm still interested in hearing what you all think of the town flip on D2.

 

[Red_Antoine]

Potassium
soup
Laundry
Ruy
Vinyl
Nabe
Gheb
YOLO
shen

There we go

Now, if you wouldn't mind, I'd love to hear more about those scumreads. Honestly, Gheb hasn't been doing much asides from writing freaking poems. Is that what he's always doing? (I may be confusing him with someone else)

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If we lose I will say the inactives were a real contributing factor.

That and the not needed why even modkill, seriously BSP why?

Kantrip and Soup need to stop yelling at each other. It's downing the thread.

Nabe needs something on the table, Vinyl replacement is needed, Yolo needs to answer that past question, I need to reread Shen.

 

[Kantrip]

I'm sorry for getting so heated before, being annoyed with arguing with you was exacerbated by family issues, no food in the house making me hungry as ****, and LoL solo-queue being the most toxic cess-pool I've ever set foot near.

I would love to bring it back and actually try to work with you a bit, you just need to accept my stances instead of ignoring them in favour of telling me I need to respond to a case.

Me saying this kind of stuff should be more valuable than refuting a bad case anyways. Especially when I've already done it.

Now let's lynch shen

 

[YOLOSWAG]

Potassium
soup
Laundry
Ruy
Vinyl
Nabe
Gheb
YOLO
shen

:thumbsdown:

not scummy. just extraordinarily bad and you need to get your priorities straight. youre likely gonna be kept for endgame with a list like this so at least be willing to change your mind about some of this **** before the people who havent lost their minds die

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Kantrip should rage with me on trolloQ instead if by himself :D

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

:thumbsdown:

not scummy. just extraordinarily bad and you need to get your priorities straight. youre likely gonna be kept for endgame with a list like this so at least be willing to change your mind about some of this **** before the people who havent lost their minds die

I just want you to answer me because that vote was really dang odd at the start of the game and I'm wondering how you acted with others all through the game.

Koops I'll quote these all when I get home.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

Now let's lynch shen

yes. lets lynch shenani and be stuck with a bunch of inactive assholes for a potential lylo who havent given us ****

you know something is wrong when i am the one tellin yu to pump da brakes

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I would like more on why you town-read laundry right now. I am in the same boat of yolo right now and while I like laundry on the surface, pawn's play still has a huge mark in my mind.

For that other notion, I want an updated read on Ruy. Not anything that is just the same garble you were telling me earlier confronted about it, but how you're reading him now.

 

[Red_Antoine]

If we lose I will say the inactives were a real contributing factor.

That and the not needed why even modkill, seriously BSP why?

Both of these definitely, they've both demotivated me. I'm also going to log out of this hydra for now and let ruy post here

 

[Kantrip]

There we go

Now, if you wouldn't mind, I'd love to hear more about those scumreads. Honestly, Gheb hasn't been doing much asides from writing freaking poems. Is that what he's always doing? (I may be confusing him with someone else)

Okay. Let's say this one more time.

shen

-faking town meta of obtaining reads with jumpy votes, reaction tests, and questions. Tries to utilize these techniques early but doesn't show any change in stance from them
-static reads in general. a lack of showing intent to reassess anything. see soup read that never changed through multiple Days of content and new perspectives, and never even a mention of possibly reassessing
-extremely passive pushes. back to the soup read i was talking about. it was there but never pushed. in fact, they went for jtb during the jtb wagon even though soup was apparently a stronger read.
-speaking of jtb read, i saw nothing that made mention of their scumread, but they jumped on the wagon near the middle and sat on it to see it through to a lynch. if there is scum on the lynch, they are the prime example of what a scummy hop on a wagon looks like and would be my first choice

YOLO

-gunning entirely for inactives and then completely dropping them the next Day after one of them flips town. now this just makes no sense to me because slots that were such a focus dropped off the radar entirely after one of them flipped town. makes it look like YOLO had another agenda with trying to push a JTB lynch
-stark contrast from townmarshy play. cooperating, pulling punches, announcing L-1 so no one gets quicklynched. marshy never plays like this as town and it's disconcerting to see him put so much effort into his appearance rather than hardbodying the scum.
-"compromises" with another player in order to get a lynch he actually wants, but then he drops his end of the deal. See: deal with Gorf to lynch JTB and then shenan. As stated, he came into toDay (after Gorf's death, mind you) and voted me, ignoring shen. I see this as a possible connection to shen
-seems fine with going with any lynch

 

[Kantrip]

:thumbsdown:

not scummy. just extraordinarily bad and you need to get your priorities straight. youre likely gonna be kept for endgame with a list like this so at least be willing to change your mind about some of this **** before the people who havent lost their minds die

What warrants changing from my list? Obviously you'll say you should be moved to town, what else don't you like?

 

[Kantrip]

Kantrip should rage with me on trolloQ instead if by himself :D

My laptop keeps overheating when I play to make matters even worse so I don't wanna risk playing anymore ranked and I'm kind of fed up with the game in general and probably won't play for a while

 

[Kantrip]

yes. lets lynch shenani and be stuck with a bunch of inactive *******s for a potential lylo who havent given us ****

you know something is wrong when i am the one tellin yu to pump da brakes

So do you want to lynch another inactive? Is that what you're getting at here?

 

[Kantrip]

I would like more on why you town-read laundry right now. I am in the same boat of yolo right now and while I like laundry on the surface, pawn's play still has a huge mark in my mind.

For that other notion, I want an updated read on Ruy. Not anything that is just the same garble you were telling me earlier confronted about it, but how you're reading him now.

Laundry's play upon coming in and catching up was just so good. Like I don't actually remember why I liked it so much except that it looked so genuine and legit to me.

I haven't attempted to look at Ruy again. If shenan were to flip town I would take another look because his recent stuff defending me is really strange. If everyone is scumreading me except Ruy it kind of makes me wonder why Ruy is townreading me and no one else sees what he sees. If I'm wrong with my shen line of thought I could see Ruy's behaviour defending both shen and myself as quite strange.

 

[Kantrip]

Laundry is easily a townread I could be wrong on and might have jumped the gun townreading him just because I liked what he had to say.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Laundry's play upon coming in and catching up was just so good. Like I don't actually remember why I liked it so much except that it looked so genuine and legit to me.

I haven't attempted to look at Ruy again. If shenan were to flip town I would take another look because his recent stuff defending me is really strange. If everyone is scumreading me except Ruy it kind of makes me wonder why Ruy is townreading me and no one else sees what he sees. If I'm wrong with my shen line of thought I could see Ruy's behaviour defending both shen and myself as quite strange.

Do you see the problem with your reads? You're putting people into a list of who is playing good and who isn't. You're making me sound like a psychic because you're basically telling me that because laundry is playing 'good' he is town. Scum can play good. Town can play ****ty. Tell me, how do you feel about his JTB push despite him agreeing with me saying that isn't where we should go or that we shouldn't be so hasty?

So basically you think the team compromises of Ruy/YOLO/Shen? Or is this individual scumminess? Is there any inactive who you would list as probable town? Is there any inactive you are concerned about?

 

[Kantrip]

Everyone talk to me about this wagon. tell me who you think is town on this wagon and who you think could be scum. give me a stance on everyone here. do you believe scum was on this wagon? who? do you believe that was scum that wasn't on this wagon?

Oh yeah and with this wagon.

I believe it's usually a safe bet that there's scum on a mislynch, but I don't think all the scum are on this. It was an easy enough lynch to get, being policy in-part, that no one really opposed it and scum didn't have to all pile on for it to happen.

I'm pretty sure the scum is between shen and YOLO (could easily be both), and I'd look at Laundry if it was someone outside those two. Other than that the wagon was town

 

[Kantrip]

Do you see the problem with your reads? You're putting people into a list of who is playing good and who isn't. You're making me sound like a psychic because you're basically telling me that because laundry is playing 'good' he is town. Scum can play good. Town can play ****ty. Tell me, how do you feel about his JTB push despite him agreeing with me saying that isn't where we should go or that we shouldn't be so hasty?

So basically you think the team compromises of Ruy/YOLO/Shen? Or is this individual scumminess? Is there any inactive who you would list as probable town? Is there any inactive you are concerned about?

I can see you didn't read it my readslist properly.

Ruy is not on a team with shenan and YOLO.

Gheb and YOLO are both playing well and I don't like them. My townread on Laundry isn't because his play was "good" but because his play was "genuine and with a townie mindset." There's a big difference.

 

[Kantrip]

Geez man I'm trying to calm down but your reading comprehension is hard to deal with right now. The post you quoted pretty clearly says I haven't taken another look at Ruy but I would on shenan town.

 

[Kantrip]

And the post you quoted was after my readslist so you're not even going through my posts, you literally skipped over the post that gave you exactly what you wanted again.

*sigh*

I'll be back later. Please read before you ask me questions.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

im not saying lynch an inactive today (tho i would LOVE to hardbody laundry and nabe back to back. i promise good things would come out of that) but to actually discuss **** today for the sake of getting something outta the question marks

 

[KevinM]

What warrants changing from my list? Obviously you'll say you should be moved to town, what else don't you like?

Ruy and Shenani have one of the strongest connections this entire game, so if/When Shenani flips scum what do you look at that slot as?

 

[KevinM]

Like I know you addressed this but you have someone as your hardest scum read and say that as of right now Ruy is a hard town read until the flip? I don't know it just seems like fishy lynch set-ups to me.

 

[Kantrip]

Ruy and Shenani have one of the strongest connections this entire game, so if/When Shenani flips scum what do you look at that slot as?

I don't see Ruy and Shenan as a SvS connection.

Ruy did basically the same thing he did to shenan to me as well. The whole defending thing, right? Like Ruy, was basically chainsaw defending me and shenan. And both times it was against soup. I think this is more likely just Ruy not liking soup this game and wanting an excuse to call him out for something

 

[Kantrip]

If that's not the connection you're talking about you're gonna need to explain it to me cuz I don't see shenan and Ruy as connected at all