Tranquility - Game Over

[Shenanigenius]

I always have a poor beginning in my town games because I find it hard to get my footing (like literally it's just a constant about me sorry) but whatever this is pointless to talk about.

Laundry's catch-up post is good. I want to read him as townie, but **** me sideways if Pawn's actions aren't just dreadful. I know Laundry is going to come in here full-force and tell me how Pawn was stupidTown, but I can't forget the way Pawn handled this whole game. I'm cautious of him for certain, but lynching him now (especially when he's much more willing to give content) isn't the right thing to do.

Laundry, you mostly agree with me on Ruy. Would you be willing to help me drive his lynch today? I know I said earlier that I don't believe he's the play, but that was for the sake of Pawn being a much better one. Who are the your top lynches at the moment?

do you still feel this way ?

Honestly laundry doing a svae face wouldn't surprise me but i'll be damned if i dont like him as of this point.

 

[Shenanigenius]

Shen, I love that you're willing to write all these fantastic walls and post but I really need to see that vote move. Do you still think I'm scum? Is there anyone else you think could be scum? These are simple things I shouldn't have to ask you because I really can't be bothered to read your walls at the moment, and it's not because it's a wall per se, it's just that the wall seems unnecessary. Give me more to work with.

Dietz yelled at me about Ryu so now I have to reconsider him. Still hate vinyl, feeling scared about marshy / laundry. Vote will find a place once im caught up

 

[Shenanigenius]

I trolled him to get a reaction out of him. He jumped after I pushed him a bit and made a auto scum read on me solely off that, looked really bad when he panic'd there.

I don't like how Cream Team handled a gut read of mine, but he's town so he's clearly doing it because of how I handled that read and I layed out why I stopped taking them seriously later. I really just want to get them to be more productive at this point, since the back and forth is doing us no good anymore. I don't care to really make a case when I state the obvious.

And I don't make cases anymore anyways, it's not worth the trouble unless I really think it is necessary for people to see something. I wanted votes on Soup but I didn't care to make a case on something almost everyone saw and commented on.



Since when did I hand-wave it?

Rake's been posting a lot more prodding around and his interaction with Soup and following votes look like he believes what he is saying rather than just saying it. I really do think he believes what he is posting, which is a general feel I get even more with Day 2 when he voted Soup and looked around at player interactions. It's a sense of worth and belief in what he is saying that makes me trust him. That is something townRake does.

+1

 

[Shenanigenius]

Ruy, tell me. Why did you 'troll' me? What did you possibly gain from trolling me there? I'm still so bothered by a response like that because it feels like a cop-out on your end. You could have manned up and said you were pressuring me but instead you chose a more selective answer and said you were trolling me. Who the **** does that? Please explain your mindset more for me.

Does scum ryu really need a cop out though ? he'd know it was one and i feel like he wouldnt try to do it even with his less relevant thread position

 

[Shenanigenius]

Shenanigenious Rake, a response I await
My accusation and my vote I have placed against you still stand
Dietzhead can't explain what goes on in your brain
Go ahead! Speak up soon before your hourglass runs out of sand!

Roses are red.
Violets are black.
Explain what you want.
And i'll hit you back.
Also rake's back.

 

[Shenanigenius]

I'm not getting entirely why people think Shen is scum outside of what Gheb said.

people always scum read me true facts of townRake

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Don't do this Shen. If you wanted to catch-up then talk to your other head, not clog the thread with useless banter.

 

[Shenanigenius]

[I'm asking you or Rake to respond to me: I've accused you of hiding behind Antoine, mainly during the soup push; it's really not that hard to understand sheesh...]

Ahh.
I don't see it that way, if you see my push onto Soup during Ryu's inquisition , i was pushing a much more legitimate avenue than ryu wwas (who self admittedly said the push was for a reaction. ) I liked soup's response to me on the first go round and i havent read it again because Dietz yelled at me for liking ryu despite dicey play on page 12 or w/e.

 

[Shenanigenius]

Don't do this Shen. If you wanted to catch-up then talk to your other head, not clog the thread with useless banter.

noted.

quick hit me: who's scum and why

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

noted.

quick hit me: who's scum and why

......You've got to be ****ing kidding me.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Rake, what do you possibly gain from the way you're approaching this thread? Tell me. Half of your questions can be answered with a somewhat thoughtful ****ing skim. I'm not asking to every word but holy ****, it's nerve-wracking seeing you go into this funnel of hyperposting and I want to think either you're trying really hard to force content or you really are that stupid that you need to play guess and check with nearly ****ing everyone in the game. Which is more likely? I'm not sure.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

+1

Like, really? Did this needed to be posted? Really? You couldn't keep this in your head? You just had to impulsively let someone know you approve of their post? This doesn't tell me anything. This doesn't do anything for me. None of your posts you're making will be worth a damn at all. I remember something Gheb told me in my first game here, it was think before you post. It's pretty simple. Think about what you're going to say instead of clogging the thread with a lot of **** that will end up being undeniably useless. If you're town, you are making it really hard for me, and possibly everyone, to town-read you. Nobody is going to look at this and say 'wow rake such has his town bearing he's sure putting an effort into scumhunting' because I'll be honest with the content you're putting up in this thread right now amounts to mindless ****ing drivel. You sound like a lunatic who is talking to himself right now.

Please stop. Please be more elaborate and concise in your posts. Stop doing this stupid **** where you expect everyone to give you the answers. Find your own ****ing answers, then let us know what you found. I'm not saying questions isn't a bad thing, but when most of your questions boil down to **** that can be answered if you read the thread then yes, they are a bad thing.

 

[Kantrip]

-sigh-

 

[YOLOSWAG]

i am NOT townreading laundry. **** no

 

[Kantrip]

I'm gonna need something to respond to if you expect me to defend myself.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

unvote

town players need to ask themselves "whats a pool of 2 players who i def feel hold scum?" should we mislynch again. the games narrowing down and answering that question sets us up for a good start to d4 should we mislynch again

 

[Kantrip]

Something is really up with YOLO this game and I don't like it. Maybe he is just toning back his style or trying something new, but what is this?

He's pulling punches, announcing L-1 to avoid quicklynches or hammers without claims, and bending to others more than I've ever seen.

His scumreads have been all inactives which just doesn't make sense to me. Can he honestly believe the scumteam may possibly be comprised of every single playerslot who actively lurks and is inexperienced at the game in every game they're in? Or does he think there is just at least 1 scum between them?

I really don't like that slot.

 

[Kantrip]

I also find it strange that Gorf died N2 with Circus dying N1.

The scumteam obviously didn't feel threatened by Gorf initially, but something spurred a change of heart and now Gorf is dead.

Then the Day starts with a wagon on me jumpstarted by soup (who I think is just wrong), Gheb, and YOLO.

I like Gheb more than YOLO but I could see myself being wrong on that. The poetry gimmick makes it very hard to read him and annoying to try to decipher what he's trying to say at times.

But anyways, back to my point. The one stance Gorf was adamant about pushing was shenan scum. He compromised a JTB lynch with YOLO on the grounds that they go for shenan toDay.

Then what happens?

Gorf dies and YOLO goes for me instead of shenan.

I'm sure you can see how disgusting this is.

Vote: shenan

We need to stick to shenan and then get YOLO on his scumflip because that is some gross **** right there

 

[KevinM]

This not being able to log into my hydra is bull****

I'm still fine with rolling on Potato, would prefer Rake to talk to his other half before doing whatever catch-up he has to do.

Shenani still goes

Lynch pool today IMO

Potato
Shenani

Those two have scum in between the two of them if we're down to use my other heads two person lynch pool.

Also don't like Vinyl being allowed to do what he's doing but at this point we can't really defer another lynch to him, town is throwing the game with this inactive bull**** though we've had a modkill and a JTB lynch where he posted three times all of D2 on a crapshoot (which don't get me wrong I will champion that lynch every game)

Man this game getting frustrating really quick

 

[Kantrip]

If you still want shenan why did you jump on my wagon first?

I'm more than fine with going shenan toDay

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I really don't want to compromise but I won't deny that I heavily dislike how Rake handled his recent posting blurb. I'm surprised he didn't just throw it back in my face and try and tell me that I should know his meta or some other crap like that.

Kantplay, do you have a third pick in mind? You say YOLO/Shen are aligned? Or at least, you're getting on YOLO's case because he promised something along the lines of going for Shen first? Why are you quick to assume that's telling in his case or that both of them are scum? Did I get that right?

I feel like you're just pushing them together for the sake of making it look like you've got a thought process going, but if we're alluding to things you've done prior to this, it would be the fact you were certain Shen/JTB were 'mates.' I feel like you're just looking for something to stick and you're pairing YOLO with your other scum-read because it works best for what you've given. Either way, why are you certain to even call it like that? You didn't seem to have a problem with YOLO until now.

I have meritable reason to dislike you and so does Gheb. He's given a pretty clear point as to why he dislikes you, but I'm not gonna be his messenger or tell you what it is. I dislike you for the reasons already stated and I feel you're just giving me more to dislike. You were wrong on JTB. You haven't even stepped back on this and you're just looking for a place to sit your vote.

I'll play hardball with you Kantplay. Shen's slot is pretty garbage too. I wouldn't mind Shen but you're my priority. I want you to give me at least some sort of reasoning or thought process why you're still certain on Shen. It doesn't have to be case, it just has to be something that gives me a reason to lynch him over you.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

unvote

town players need to ask themselves "whats a pool of 2 players who i def feel hold scum?" should we mislynch again. the games narrowing down and answering that question sets us up for a good start to d4 should we mislynch again

Potato/Shen holds one. Maybe two. Not ready to call it like that but tell me how you feel about Kantplay's general approach to shen this whole game? He's held him at arm's length and called him scum but never really takes the initiative to push and tends to idly switch his vote for convenience (See: JTB vote.) Gheb's right that it's hard to call it like that without a flip, which is Kantplay gives us the most. I feel like even if Kantplay does flip town, it will help with how I feel about Shen. Maybe even Ruy for that matter, who I begin to worry about.

Then there's Nabe/Vinyl. who I'm pissed to even deal with. I'll be dissapointed but not too dissapointed with Vinyl. if he's town, but **** me if that slot isn't just a literal crapshoot. I'll be disappointed in Nabe if he doesn't do something soon, just ****ing anything.

 

[Kantrip]

You were wrong on JTB. You haven't even stepped back on this and you're just looking for a place to sit your vote.

Is this all you're gonna give me? I'm not seeing the problems you say you and Gheb have with me.

Everyone on the wagon was obviously wrong on JTB. YOLO and shenan were on it too. Who are you to say that I haven't stepped back after seeing his flip? It just doesn't really affect my reads. He needed to die. Sure, I thought he was scum. But it's no big loss. YOLO will say the same thing.

 

[Shenanigenius]

im just asking stuff i didnt talk through yet with dietz before i become technically biased by consulting with him. I'm pretty caught up , I'm not allowed to ask questions or have my own concerns ?

 

[Kantrip]

What are you talking about with me and shen?

You have a problem because I RVS voted him and joked around a bit then concluded him vs you was TvT?

Do you not get the part where I have had a townread on shenan until just yesterDay, where I thought JTB was scummier?

After a JTB townflip shenan is my biggest priority. He hasn't been an arms-length scumread all game, and I don't know what *** your pulling that out of

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Something is really up with YOLO this game and I don't like it. Maybe he is just toning back his style or trying something new, but what is this?

He's pulling punches, announcing L-1 to avoid quicklynches or hammers without claims, and bending to others more than I've ever seen.

His scumreads have been all inactives which just doesn't make sense to me. Can he honestly believe the scumteam may possibly be comprised of every single playerslot who actively lurks and is inexperienced at the game in every game they're in? Or does he think there is just at least 1 scum between them?

I really don't like that slot.

I'm not apart of the yolo-defense-force but look at the active players compared to the inactive ones.

Me, Gheb, Yolo, Washed, Gorf (RIP), Ruy.

Then there's you and shen.

Then there's crapshoot Vinyl./Nabe.

Can you blame him? Gheb's a universal town-read for a bunch of good reasons. Washed isn't going anytime soon but he says he doesn't town-read him. Literally the way town is playing right now is trying to decide who isn't putting the work in they should and who's actually scum and playing like it.

And that ****ing sucks.

 

[Kantrip]

Like I made it pretty clear in thread I was conflicted on my shenan read and had stuff leaning both ways but thought his interaction with you was inherently TvT right?

He wasn't a target for me.

Now with his lack of initiative he is. Look at his ****ing posts and tell me it actually looks like he's scumhunting. I can tell you see it because youo commented on it on this page. His play lately has been crap and you still wanna lynch me? You haven't even given me any good reasoning I haven't displayed for the **** that it is

 

[Kantrip]

Are you seriously ****ing basing your scumreads off of amount of activity?

**** man, there is more to scumhunting than finding out who is posting less than you expect from them

 

[Kantrip]

Step back and look at intent for a moment.

Look at how I got my read on you with questions D1. Look at how I questioned Ruy D2. I may not be laying out everything, but I am putting in the work. Sure I was wrong on starting the JTB wagon but at least I did something? And you're lumping me in with shenan, who is blatantly clinging to scumread on you and has been faking his "read obtaining" **** all game?

YOLO may be "active" but his play is bull****. He hasn't had any posts I've looked at and saw town intent. Where I see him reading people and actually trying to get to the bottom of things. All I see is D2 "My scumpool is three inactive players". He advocated the JTB lynch just as much as me and you're giving him a pass when he's actually a more experienced player. Now he comes into this Day supporting the easiest wagons to support while dropping the ones he was pressuring before. And that's okay, because he's giving you "more to work with" than me?

Seriously what the **** soup

 

[Kantrip]

You say you're willing to play ball but then when I give you what you want you say "thank you" and continue tunneling. Then next time you don't give me anything else to respond to and say "I already laid it out" and I've responded to everything and you said "thank you" but apparently it wasn't good enough

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

What are you talking about with me and shen?

You have a problem because I RVS voted him and joked around a bit then concluded him vs you was TvT?

Do you not get the part where I have had a townread on shenan until just yesterDay, where I thought JTB was scummier?

After a JTB townflip shenan is my biggest priority. He hasn't been an arms-length scumread all game, and I don't know what *** your pulling that out of

Unlucky for you I have a tendency to re-read. A majority of your D1 was you shouting about how Shen was scum, then you voted me for some stupid reason. That's all you did D1. You never mentioned why you got off Shen.

Come D2, you voted JTB like we all know.

I don't have any scumreads I'd make a case for, but I dislike JTB and I keep changing my mind on shenan.

I have one more slot I dislike but I'm looking for some more content before I get into it

ruy is still town
dislike shenan's recent behaviour

Kantplay, these are your two posts from D2. In no way do you say that you town-read shen at all, you say the complete different. You never mentioned a town-read unless I'm seriously missing something. I kept looking a bit more forward and you've only been stating dislike of Shen for a while now. You've been leading up to it and you even went so far to mention that you're certain JTB/Shen are mates.

And no, I see your ninjas. I am looking into intent. I'm looking into the intent of your shady votes and play in general. You really haven't been playing a town-game and don't you dare tell me otherwise and start preaching to me how I need to start looking into intent.

 

[Kantrip]

my townread on soup is wavering i can't see how anyone can hold these double standards and be town like this is literally ********

 

[Kantrip]

the townread was D1 after I stopped being toasted and joking around based on your interaction with them, D2 was when I started disliking them because their play fell into tunneling and holding onto their original reads which is not rake at all. dunno dietz meta but the hydras play has been a boatload of pretending to ask questions that do nothing as they hold onto soup scum and jump on every lynch

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Potato im gonna be honest with you it's seriously gonna be you or shen so even if you're not preaching to me and you don't wanna work with me that's fine but realize if you're town that you need to do more

 

[Kantrip]

just **** you

and **** league solo queue

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

potato seriously im doing nothing than trying to get you to somehow get your ****ing head in this game because ill be honest i dont want to have to mislynch again and im trying my hardest to get you to contest me but instead i just get a lot of 'no no look at the other person not me he's the bad guy' but if you want me to do that then you have to give me more

yes it's gonna require work but mafia is a ***** and yes i could buy into what you're saying (reminder that i hate shen's slot) but you're trying to convince me not to lynch you

like why would you want to sit here and get mad at me and say im wrong and tell me how badly shen is scum but then cry to me when i don't wanna lynch him over you

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

im just asking stuff i didnt talk through yet with dietz before i become technically biased by consulting with him. I'm pretty caught up , I'm not allowed to ask questions or have my own concerns ?

Talk to me about Kantplay. Tell me your read on him.

 

[Kantrip]

Are you kidding me right now

Do you want me to tell you why I'm not scum

or tell you who is?

Cuz from my experience everyone always says "10% of why youre not scum and 90% of who is"

so the 10% is I'm not scum cuz there is nothing on my slot that i haven't refuted and think the case is a crock of ****

and the 90% is what I've been saying that now you're telling me to stop

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i shouldnt have to ****ing sit here and yell at people and tell them to put effort into this game if they're town they should want to ****ing do it because they are town

like literally nothing is frustrating than that, majority of town games are not lost because of one individual, not because someone was mis-read, but because town didn't do well as a whole

i have a gut feeling that scum will win this game, but im trying to make sure that doesn't happen.

 

[Kantrip]

Dude I HAVE BEEN PUTTING EFFORT INTO THIS GAME IM JUST NOT LAYING OUT EVERY ****ING THING AND YOURE THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS BEEN TOO DUMB TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IM SAYING.

LIKE YOU LITERALLY THOUGHT RUY AND ME WERE SCUM BECAUSE YOU COUDLNT UNDERSTAND OUR PRESSURE VOTES ON YOU AND THOUGHT WE HAD BAD SCUMREADS

STOP *****ING TO YOURSELF AND BENIG ALL "WOE IS ME" CUZ ITS ANNOYING AS ****