Tranquility - Game Over

[Kantrip]

Focusing on reads that come to me easily, stuff that is easy to get a distinct read on. Things that could go either way for me or be harder to read I'm holding off on

soup vs shenan early was an example, though I started getting doubt on shenan and saw it either way so I put that aside. soup town stayed
looked at vinyl early posts cuz if he's town it usually jumps out at me, saw some stuff to call him town on. not very strong but it was there
soup vs ruy interaction was a big one, got TvT and still see Town from both of you at present
JTB and pawn not SvS as an interaction, but both individually scummy

held off on reading gheb, yolo, and circus because those are both hard to read slots and hard to lynch slots. also likely to die early if town. didn't see anything that jumped out on me so didn't delve into that headache

 

[Red_Antoine]

I don't understand why you think they both can't be scum. I think it's very possible. JTB's reasoning and reaction to everyone getting on him for his vote on me to just vote for pawn wasn't pretty. There's also the fact that Pawn FoS'd JTB instead of voting him, when he showed no hesitance to vote me prior. I want to think that Pawn has cold feet for voting his partner to be honest, but I need a better argument from you.

It's possible, but them busing each other isn't the first thing that comes to mind off that.

I wouldn't go Pawn>JTB off a Pawn scum flip right away. Yeah it is "possible" but I don't think it is "probable" off how they voted each other.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Potassium and Ryu, if you like that post then you have to also not use that as an excuse to not post. I know it's mafia and **** gets heated and sometimes people are gonna be angry with you, and you know what? That's perfectly fine. I don't want you to cower or back down because someone is shouting at you, I want you to actually be useful and stop being scared about being wrong. That's the vibe I get from both of you, or at least, the vibe I get from Kantplay.

Am I right? Are you doing this approach because you're scared of being wrong right now, Kantplay?

 

[Kantrip]

Also, can we please stop with the mindless ****ing ad-hominem. Stop calling people bad. Stop calling their play trash. That doesn't help them improve or feel better about themselves, even if you're trying to maybe smack them across the face and have them wake up and play. It just boils down to worthless because it's more subjective than anything. I think Ryu hasn't been playing a stellar game but I'm not going to damn him if he's willing to actually ****ing try. The same goes for anyone.

thank you for this, it really snowballs people's play to be worse and puts them on tilt. hated having to deal with that **** when my body wasnt ready for it

 

[Cream Team]

A part of me hates this mindset that we have to just go ahead and lynch or just use our lynch to get rid of dead weight, but sometimes that's just what needs to happen. I absolutely despise this game right now if you want my honest opinion. I know that if J were here he would probably be writing a ****-ton of walls and yelling at everyone to stop and think. It would honestly be refreshing than this blood-thirsty lynch fanatic mindset that is plaguing games right now. I hate every moment of this, but I have to put aside my personal feelings. The problem this game has is exactly that. Pawn isn't going to do anything and he hasn't proved to be worth keeping alive. Vinyl. will be a ominous figure and will likely not get killed any time soon, which essentially leads us into wasting a mislynch on him or just taking a chance. Joey hasn't proven to do much either but **** knows if that will change. Kantplay is even playing lazy. JTB isn't hardly doing any work either. Then you have the other side of the spectrum with the active posters. Marshy is marshy. There's no changing that. Gheb is actually one of the more enjoyable players right now in this game as he's clear and concise in his poetic posts. Then we have Ryu, who has gone mad and I don't even know what to feel anymore but I get the vibe he's stressed.

Town doesn't lose games because of one person, they lose a whole faction. If townies do not put in the ****ing effort they're supposed to as town then they are going to lose this game. This is why BSP getting himself modkilled was a bad thing. I don't want to see that happen again and see a townie literally just give up. There is a defeatist vibe that I get from this game and everyone is just looking marshy and co. talk for them. It doesn't matter if they're right, and it doesn't make it an excuse to be lazy. Town needs to stop being ****ing lazy and get it together.

This wouldn't be happening if a good portion of the players weren't playing like **** or just not participating enough.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

It's possible, but them busing each other isn't the first thing that comes to mind off that.

I wouldn't go Pawn>JTB off a Pawn scum flip right away. Yeah it is "possible" but I don't think it is "probable" off how they voted each other.

Elaborate.

Don't make me do the ****ing work on why you think this. Do I have to treat you like you're a newbie?

 

[Kantrip]

Potassium and Ryu, if you like that post then you have to also not use that as an excuse to not post. I know it's mafia and **** gets heated and sometimes people are gonna be angry with you, and you know what? That's perfectly fine. I don't want you to cower or back down because someone is shouting at you, I want you to actually be useful and stop being scared about being wrong. That's the vibe I get from both of you, or at least, the vibe I get from Kantplay.

Am I right? Are you doing this approach because you're scared of being wrong right now, Kantplay?

You are incorrect. I'm not scared of being called out or called bad anymore. Hell I've embraced the kantplay. I'm just doin this to pace myself

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm fine with you 'pacing' yourself but I don't want you to drag it out and use it as an excuse to do jack-****.

 

[Cream Team]

Potassium and Ryu, if you like that post then you have to also not use that as an excuse to not post. I know it's mafia and **** gets heated and sometimes people are gonna be angry with you, and you know what? That's perfectly fine. I don't want you to cower or back down because someone is shouting at you, I want you to actually be useful and stop being scared about being wrong. That's the vibe I get from both of you, or at least, the vibe I get from Kantplay.

Am I right? Are you doing this approach because you're scared of being wrong right now, Kantplay?

Ryu has been deliberately evasive and cannot handle any pressure. I don't think it's a matter of being right or wrong, he's just bad and scummy. Don't put him in the same boat as Kantplay.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm not calling him townie all of a sudden, I just think he deserves somewhat of a break. Pushing him and calling him **** isn't going to change anything right now and I think it would be more beneficial to give both of them the opportunity to prove themselves useful instead of just getting mad at them because they aren't.

 

[Kantrip]

Votecount 2:2

Vinyl. [0] -
Shenanigenius [0] -
Red_Antoine [1] - Kary
soup [3] - Shenanigenius, Red_Antoine, JTB
JTB [3] - Potassium, YOLOSWAG, soup
Potassium [0] -
Gheb_01 [0] -
pawndidater2 [2] - Cream Team, Gheb_01
YOLOSWAG [0] -
Cream Team [0] -
-Masquerain- [0] -

Not voting [3] - Vinyl, pawndidater2, -Masquerain-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

Deadline is 11:59PM GMT, Saturday, 11th January 2014

Previous Votecount

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JTB at L-3
pawn at L-4

actually yeah i think Pawn is more likely and even if JTB is skimming it's not like we don't have another phase to get him to play

yes his vote sucked on me but gorfdamn Pawn's was even worse

Vote: Pawn

yolo get back @ me you too potato

They switch so JTB is L-4 and pawn is L-3

throwing out a post since i wont be around until tonight or tomorrow

my vote on soup wasn't based solely on the circus comment, i was already wary of his play and his last post was what pushed me over. i jumped the gun on it though, i should've waited until i could be around to explain it more and defend it.

im down to support the pawn wagon right now though, regardless of soup being on it. it's a good direction to take and since i cant push the soup wagon atm, ill still contribute to something while im gone

Vote: Pawn



@underlined from this, you seem to know what the right reasons for jumping on soup are, but you are not voting him. what are those reasons and why haven't you thrown down a vote?

pawn FoS'd JTB at the same place JTB voted pawn, and in both cases it was not super far along a wagon where they were at risk of lynch. Don't believe that they felt that they needed to bus, and don't see them as bussing so early on. Especially them both doing it to each other. Maybe I'm not giving them enough credit but I don't see them both on the same team, and if you don't like that I'm writing a possibility like this off you'll have to deal with it cuz that's how I read.

 

[Kantrip]

I'm fine with you 'pacing' yourself but I don't want you to drag it out and use it as an excuse to do jack-****.

I assure you I will continue to not do jack-**** then

 

[Red_Antoine]

Potassium and Ryu, if you like that post then you have to also not use that as an excuse to not post. I know it's mafia and **** gets heated and sometimes people are gonna be angry with you, and you know what? That's perfectly fine. I don't want you to cower or back down because someone is shouting at you, I want you to actually be useful and stop being scared about being wrong. That's the vibe I get from both of you, or at least, the vibe I get from Kantplay.

Am I right? Are you doing this approach because you're scared of being wrong right now, Kantplay?

I'm not scared about being wrong, I live and learn.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You don't show a shred of confidence in any of your posts which is ironic considering you want everyone to think that you're serious and mad all the time and everyone is just dumb and you don't need to answer anyone.

You're practically asking yourself to get lynched if you keep this up, and I don't want to have to be forced to lynch you if you're town so if you're town shape the **** up.

 

[Kantrip]

stubborn ruy is town scum ruy lurks and obeys

 

[Cream Team]

I'm not calling him townie all of a sudden, I just think he deserves somewhat of a break. Pushing him and calling him **** isn't going to change anything right now and I think it would be more beneficial to give both of them the opportunity to prove themselves useful instead of just getting mad at them because they aren't.

I was pushing him to give actual input rather than to type up senseless fluff by simply requesting that he backs up one of his claims. It wasn't for the sake of "calling him ****". It just turns out he's incapable of contributing anything of value.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I know how you feel Cream. That's where I'm at too. I've asked him to contest me and to boil down his argument on me and he's just openly refused or makes reasons why he can't. I'm pretty sure he's still voting me but it literally has no point if he's not going to do anything with it.

 

[Red_Antoine]

Elaborate.

Don't make me do the ****ing work on why you think this. Do I have to treat you like you're a newbie?

Look at how Pawn voted JTB, the same reason people want him dead.

"He's voting Soup for the wrong reasons"

That is scummy. JTB then does the same thing back when he gets off you. This is the vote that I think is more likely what I would look at if I think they bused each other. The early actions they made on each really don't off like that at all. Scum doesn't bus without a reason, someone doing a major **** up, that is a bus you would usually see. Making your gameplan around it, that's tricky. You need a reason to actually make the move to bus someone, you can't do it out of thin air. Pawn throwing an FOS could be arms length as scum, but then Pawn bad vote, that looks far more like he was looking for a way to hop on and he wanted it, not that he wanted to bus a mate.

When I roll scum I may not post a lot in a QT, but I am planning what I am doing step by step. Them going, yeah let's bus. If they did it without communicating, maybe but even then JTB isn't the first person I might lynch tomorrow on a scum flip. First person I would look at to figure out sure, but not really my first lynch. Same for you actually both of them voting you does irk me a bit when a lot of people I think are town are against lynching you.

If they are mates I have a hard time seeing them making a plan to bus one another into the day like they did. I want them to interact more and see how they treat each other, like Kantrip said.

Right now though, I gotta half agree with Marshy, yeah this is pointless til a flip, though good to read each other off our posts.

 

[Cream Team]

Hey, Gheb, or anyone else who hasn't said anything in a while, you got a word on all this? This is just becoming a pretty shallow game.

 

[Red_Antoine]

stubborn ruy is town scum ruy lurks and obeys

It's like he get me or something.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't know why that took so much to drag out of you but

Ruy are you going to push me or something or do something with your vote or

 

[Dooms]

When I said I would post at night, I forgot to factor in how tired I would be and emotional phases.

/replace out (I forgot how this works lol)

Please forgive me. This is my best option personally, and it'll hopefully get my slot to beactive, which Iis needed at this point in the game. Good luck town, and I will see you all in a different game in mid-april.

 

[Red_Antoine]

I'm not hammering Pawn, and want someone to unvote so we don't get a "derp how scummy am I for doing this quick hammer" and your not my point of interest right now, honestly feel better with your recent posts, I've asked the inactives to give me something because I want the grey area to not be that awful area I was expecting when I signed up for this game.

Gheb has worries about JTB and voted Pawn but I'm curious about his JTB look back.
Vinyl...I really don't know even if I ask him something, I get the feeling he's just gonna not answer and keep in the background.
JTB needs some prodding though I wanna see how he answers what others asked him.
Joey has given a little but he wasn't here for the situation and his reads are...very nullish so I wanna see him expand more.
Pawn needs to answer to his pressure.

That is where I am right now.

 

[Red_Antoine]

When I said I would post at night, I forgot to factor in how tired I would be and emotional phases.

/replace out (I forgot how this works lol)

Please forgive me. This is my best option personally, and it'll hopefully get my slot to beactive, which Iis needed at this point in the game. Good luck town, and I will see you all in a different game in mid-april.

See ya Joey GL.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

If Pawn isn't scum then the person hammering him better have a damn good reason to do so, but since I feel that's unlikely, I believe that not putting him at L-1 changes anything at all. I would be okay with a haphazard hammer because it gives us a lot to work with tomorrow, especially when the slot itself in question is not doing anything.

 

[Red_Antoine]

Ryu has been deliberately evasive and cannot handle any pressure. I don't think it's a matter of being right or wrong, he's just bad and scummy. Don't put him in the same boat as Kantplay.

 

[Red_Antoine]

If Pawn isn't scum then the person hammering him better have a damn good reason to do so, but since I feel that's unlikely, I believe that not putting him at L-1 changes anything at all. I would be okay with a haphazard hammer because it gives us a lot to work with tomorrow, especially when the slot itself in question is not doing anything.

I don't trust Dgames after Luigi's.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Please look at yourself before making such a ludicrous and useless post.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't trust Dgames after Luigi's.

What does this even offer or why did you need to post this

 

[Red_Antoine]

What does this even offer or why did you need to post this

Gorf hammering Sokr without a claim less than 24 hours before the game starts and lynched the Doc/Vig.

I don't trust people around here to not do something stupid like that.

 

[Shenanigenius]

If pawn continues to thread doge I dont see why i shouldnt hammer him

 

[YOLOSWAG]

lol fo real

this is getting ********. i maintain pawn/jtb/shenani are our best options andll gun for one of the latter two IMMEDIATELY should the first one flip town

ima stop posting for a bit cuz were talking in circles at this point and would benefit from the 3 i listed earlier getting more involved plus the joey replacement catching up. i suggest yall do the same cuz this is becoming a lot of drivel some of which im guilty of introducing. peace ******

 

[Shenanigenius]

I mean, no hard feelings or bad blood but not only is he a pretty dicey/scummy slot but he's doing jack **** intentionally.

 

[Shenanigenius]

Also hey rake is in catch up mode. will have thoughts. Initially i gotta say kevmo doing nothing but **** talkin every other slot when his reads are god awful and he essentially caused our doc to suicide is pretty damn funny and ironic

 

[YOLOSWAG]

request votecount

actually ima prolly gun for one of the latter two regardless of the flip. someone unvote if town wants more discussion. iight last post for a bit fa real

 

[Red_Antoine]

he essentially caused our doc to suicide is pretty damn funny and ironic

This part is wrong.

BSP is why BSP was modkilled, Yolo pressuring him is not at fault.

 

[Cream Team]

Petty insults? That's really cute.

How about next time we form a coherent sentiment? Baby-steps.


And yes, I agree that we should wait until pawn contributes (or doesn't contribute) more until one of us makes the final blow.

 

[Shenanigenius]

This part is wrong.

BSP is why BSP was modkilled, Yolo pressuring him is not at fault.

cause and effect but w/e. you still scum reading soup ? Give me things to consider when i read

 

[Shenanigenius]

I don't give a **** if people think he said dumb stuff, i care if I see y death bear bro doing his thing.

Here I think, nah **** that, I know he is. If he is scum he will be the last person I lynch of the scum team.

Dude your wrong on Soup, I don't see as scum why soup wouldn't, but I'd rather talk to him about this than you tbh, no offense. Soup is someone I think is scum right now, though with me and koops he doesn't agree with me here, he doesn't "like" Soup but he isn't sure he is scum. I don't wanna default to him right now, more so when we both don't like him and want him to own up.

@Soup: dude look past my idgaf posts, k I did I don't care right now. I wanna talk to you mono a mono. You and me, tell me right now, outside of myself who is scum. You know I don't wanna make this a pissing match, just tell me so I can read you. I'm not trying to make this a pain int he *** for you. I'm honestly surprised only Kantrip caught on to why I was trolling you, serious wtf at people who thought I was 100% serious on d1 before I voted BSP. But here, Soup be real with me, what is it you want outside of me. I don't give a **** if you want me dead and think I am the scummiest person alive, I just wanna see who you are, help me out here if you are town. Give me a reason to doubt this.

please.

you mean trolling vis a vis your reaction provoking vote right ?

 

[Cream Team]

Gorf hammering Sokr without a claim less than 24 hours before the game starts and lynched the Doc/Vig.

I don't trust people around here to not do something stupid like that.

Btw, basing the credibility of people's plays on past games isn't exactly reliable.

A very large portion of my posts have not been Gorf (including this one).