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Oh and i just figured out another one

What if a owner does not have a 3ds that means they would be unlocking characters for the first time.
 
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Oh and i just figured out another one

What if a owner does not have a 3ds that means they would be unlocking characters for the first time.
It means that they're happy campers since they don't have to play over 100 matches to play as their favorite character.
 

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:confused: Your kidding right Name one leak that did not include info on the version (and only character leaks do not count.)
Most fake leaks want to include info people want to hear. Saying everything is unlocked from the get go isn't something people, or atleast non competitive players want to hear. I'm not saying its the case, as we really don't know, but its possible Sakurai chose to do that for the WiiU, no matter whether we like the idea or not.
 

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I think it's possible, if the sentence is viewed in its context, that the leaker was just clarifying that the Wii U version doesn't need to connect to the 3DS version to get all of the characters and stages, even though the 3DS version needs the Wii U to get them all. By "unlocked", he could mean "on disc by default". It would definitely be a weird way to word that but it's another possible explanation.
 

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I just thought of something. Why would the leak have so much detail in it and if it's fake, why would the leaker put that much detail into the leak if it's fake? I'm not saying that it is fake, I'm just saying, why would the leaker think of that much detail just to put into a fake leak, if it is fake, though?
 

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I just thought of something. Why would the leak have so much detail in it and if it's fake, why would the leaker put that much detail into the leak if it's fake? I'm not saying that it is fake, I'm just saying, why would the leaker think of that much detail just to put into a fake leak, if it is fake, though?
Simple answer, It isn't fake. There's too many pieces of random info that could easily debunk it to make it fake. I mean a full stage list? c'mon that could be debunked in a day, same with the release date

Also I just realized something, Mount dedede is a song in the 3DS version, so is temple, so is rainbow cruise, so is bramble blast. See where I'm going with this?
 
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I just thought of something. Why would the leak have so much detail in it and if it's fake, why would the leaker put that much detail into the leak if it's fake? I'm not saying that it is fake, I'm just saying, why would the leaker think of that much detail just to put into a fake leak, if it is fake, though?
I mean... boredom? It certainly could be fake, but the level of detail is just one compelling reason it might not be.
 

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Simple answer, It isn't fake. There's too many pieces of random info that could easily debunk it to make it fake. I mean a full stage list, c'mon that could be debunked in a day, same with the release date
Yeah. Now that I think about it a bit more, the leak would have been debunked the next day, if it was fake. So, it lasting for this long gives it some credibility, right?
 

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Simple answer, It isn't fake. There's too many pieces of random info that could easily debunk it to make it fake. I mean a full stage list, c'mon that could be debunked in a day, same with the release date

Also I just realized something, Mount dedede is a song in the 3DS version, so is temple, so is rainbow cruise, so is bramble blast. See where I'm going with this
Just saying, the release date 11/21 has showed up several times, so that wasn't TOO much a surprise.
 

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Simple answer, It isn't fake. There's too many pieces of random info that could easily debunk it to make it fake. I mean a full stage list, c'mon that could be debunked in a day, same with the release date

Also I just realized something, Mount dedede is a song in the 3DS version, so is temple, so is rainbow cruise, so is bramble blast. See where I'm going with this?
...So you think he only saw a song list? Or am I missing something?

Just saying, the release date 11/21 has showed up several times, so that wasn't TOO much a surprise.
Yeah, agreed. It adds nothing. Him getting it right does mean he found out or wasn't lying, at least.
 

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Simple answer, It isn't fake. There's too many pieces of random info that could easily debunk it to make it fake. I mean a full stage list, c'mon that could be debunked in a day, same with the release date

Also I just realized something, Mount dedede is a song in the 3DS version, so is temple, so is rainbow cruise, so is bramble blast. See where I'm going with this?
...Mt Dedede is in a 3DS stage though
 

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I still don't get why they didn't give us a Daisy alt... They already gave Peach a Daisy Color. Wouldn't have been nice to play as Daisy, since making her her own character would only work if they made her very sports focused(and maybe toss in some kart and party rep) But I digress.



that is an interesting catch there. It is possible that everyone starts unlocked(though that seems to go against how Sakurai does his games but you never know) or maybe that file has ness Unlocked already and it randomly puts the trophies of the characters you unlocked there.
This reminds me of this
Also, I personally consider it fact that this leak is completley fake. 100% FACT. No way after all the trolling and douchery that Sakurai decides to finally give everybody what they want. Hell, I'd be more inclined to believe this leak if it said the characters being added were Dark Matter and Pink Gold Pit, and that the stages were Kirby's Dream Land 2 Box Art and Kid Icarus Uprising 3DS Holder Stand Thing.
 
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Well we already had a bunch of stuff to unlock on the 3ds version, there' no real point to do it for both. Also smash on the wii u is for multiplayer, that's it's main purpose. Having everything unlocked so you can start playing right away makes sense
I'm sorry but...what? what do you mean not for both? What if i'm only getting the Wii U version? i don't get to unlock anything because unlockables only happened in 3ds version? that makes no sense. As someone said before, unlocking stuff adds replay value to the game. Also, Every smash is multiplayer and just as previous games, the wii u version won't get any less than the 3ds, ppl need to get off their heads the idea of the 3ds being the ultimate version and the wii u version being some kind of extra small thing.
 

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I'm sorry but...what? what do you mean not for both? What if i'm only getting the Wii U version? i don't get to unlock anything because unlockables only happened in 3ds version? that makes no sense. As someone said before, unlocking stuff adds replay value to the game. Also, Every smash is multiplayer and just as previous games, the wii u version won't get any less than the 3ds, ppl need to get off their heads the idea of the 3ds being the ultimate version and the wii u version being some kind of extra small thing.
Quite frankly, I hope it's the opposite. As deep as Brawl was (Music editor, stage builder, SSE, etc the list goes on), Smash 3DS feels pretty empty to me. I'm hoping they bring back some features for the Wii U game because the 3DS one feels bare bones as hell.
 

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I'm sorry but...what? what do you mean not for both? What if i'm only getting the Wii U version? i don't get to unlock anything because unlockables only happened in 3ds version? that makes no sense. As someone said before, unlocking stuff adds replay value to the game. Also, Every smash is multiplayer and just as previous games, the wii u version won't get any less than the 3ds, ppl need to get off their heads the idea of the 3ds being the ultimate version and the wii u version being some kind of extra small thing.
Either way I feel like unlocking stuff for the wii u version isn't necessary, Everything secret would've been out for over 2 months and there's nothing secret about it. The replay value should come from playing the extra modes, Not playing through classic mode a bunch of times or throwing yourself off the stage hundreds of times. Plus smash is a fighting game, since when is replay value ever needed
 
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Quite frankly, I hope it's the opposite. As deep as Brawl was (Music editor, stage builder, SSE, etc the list goes on), Smash 3DS feels pretty empty to me. I'm hoping they bring back some features for the Wii U game because the 3DS one feels bare bones as hell.
That's exactly how I feel about it too, yeah.
 
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Even if all characters and stages are unlocked, we still have things to unlock like music, custom moves, outfits, hats, etc. so it's not like we are getting every little thing in the game.
 

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Even if all characters and stages are unlocked, we still have things to unlock like music, custom moves, outfits, hats, etc. so it's not like we are getting every little thing in the game.
People like myself, who don't have any reason to main Mii, really don't have interest in unlocking hats to be used only on a character I'll rarely play as. I'd be a little dissapointed if that's all there was to unlock. That being said, I hope this leak is real (it's not) because Mewtidley.
 

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People like myself, who don't have any reason to main Mii, really don't have interest in unlocking hats to be used only on a character I'll rarely play as. I'd be a little dissapointed if that's all there was to unlock. That being said, I hope this leak is real (it's not) because Mewtidley.
How is it not real? I'm not saying it is, but it still has some evidence going for it.
 

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What if tomorrow we don't get the kirby stage but instead a NES REMIX stage.Now that would turn me and alot of people over for this leak.I mean NES REMIX is way to recent to be in smash so if they NES REMIX was annouced that would just help confirm the leak.Then monday we see that the minecrat is a kirby superstar level were MT.DEDEDE is the main part.Then would be little to no doubting this leak.

O will just a idea of could happen.I mean if that happen would anyone still doubt this leak?
 

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What if tomorrow we don't get the kirby stage but instead a NES REMIX stage.Now that would turn me and alot of people over for this leak.I mean NES REMIX is way to recent to be in smash so if they NES REMIX was annouced that would just help confirm the leak.Then monday we see that the minecrat is a kirby superstar level were MT.DEDEDE is the main part.Then would be little to no doubting this leak.

O will just a idea of could happen.I mean if that happen would anyone still doubt this leak?
Sadly there is ppl who are so in denial they will doubt it till the end lol but the important thing is that we know when we can actually stop believing or keep aboarding the hype train :)
 

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How is it not real? I'm not saying it is, but it still has some evidence going for it.
Quoting myself here, but this would be why I believe it's not real:
Also, I personally consider it fact that this leak is completley fake. 100% FACT. No way after all the trolling and douchery that Sakurai decides to finally give everybody what they want. Hell, I'd be more inclined to believe this leak if it said the characters being added were Dark Matter and Pink Gold Pit, and that the stages were Kirby's Dream Land 2 Box Art and Kid Icarus Uprising 3DS Holder Stand Thing.
 

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Quoting myself here, but this would be why I believe it's not real:
In response to your reason: Sakurai probably has had them planned as trasnfers or whatever since the beggining, and now he's just trolling until he (finally) declares them playable.
Plus, why does everyone think that just becuase Sakurai goes a bit biased this Smash that he's all of a sudden super biased? :p
 
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Quoting myself here, but this would be why I believe it's not real:
How does that make any sense? saving all the wanted and hypable characters for the wii u version so it actually sells, that's a genius idea. Especially after all the ridley teases (Shadow, trophy quiz), mewtwo teases (Greninja's shadow), Impa teases (Trophy quiz), the fact that the 3ds version has little to no new DK content and even the chorus kids have things going for them (Smash run enemy, Gematsu)
 
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I think it's possible, if the sentence is viewed in its context, that the leaker was just clarifying that the Wii U version doesn't need to connect to the 3DS version to get all of the characters and stages, even though the 3DS version needs the Wii U to get them all. By "unlocked", he could mean "on disc by default". It would definitely be a weird way to word that but it's another possible explanation.
That's what I've been thinking he's meant for a while. They're there on the Wii U without needing to be linked to the 3ds, but not necessarily unlocked to play. That, or as someone suggested, linking the two unlocking the characters from to another would unlock everybody if you transferred to get the Wii U characters and already unlocked them all on 3DS. The Wii U screen in the 3DS version says transferring custom characters, right? Well what if you have a custom Duck Hunt Dog? He was unlockable, but if you tried to transfer from the start it'd make sense to unlock him right away for you especially if you already did on 3DS and even made a custom one.

It's kind of sad that I was sort of happy for my Ridley hopes to be over but now I'm on the edge of my seat again hoping he isn't shown as a boss in a potd before November 21st... Dammit Sakurai, I hope this all pays off for those who care.
 
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How is it not real? I'm not saying it is, but it still has some evidence going for it.
It actually doesn't have any evidence. Everything is a reasonable guess or vague point. This goes both ways. In a way, it's as likely real as it could be fake. Every past stage is from Brawl. This is notable. This means that the guesses may be a lot easier than we thought.

I don't consider it likely myself, but nothing is strongly for or against it objectively speaking.
 

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That's what I've been thinking he's meant for a while. They're there on the Wii U without needing to be linked to the 3ds, but not necessarily unlocked to play.

It's kind of sad that I was sort of happy for my Ridley hopes to be over but now I'm on the edge of my seat again hoping he isn't shown as a boss in a potd before November 21st... Dammit Sakurai, I hope this all pays off for those who care.
I find it hard to believe that after all this, ridley would be nothing more than a boss. It makes no sense, He even said recently that he looks at polls for characters so ridley not being in makes no sense
 

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You also know what would help this leak a CSS or maybe gameplay footage.Like if this is anything like the ESRB leaker.He should have pictures of some sort of the final game.Like you can call fake on a text leak but it way harder to call BS on gameplay footage
 

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I find it hard to believe that after all this, ridley would be nothing more than a boss. It makes no sense, He even said recently that he looks at polls for characters so ridley not being in makes no sense
It makes perfect sense. He teased him as a boss, and then decided to let the hype run wild when everybody thought he was being teased as playable. The most damning evidence is the "enemy from Samus' past" thing on the Pyrosphere POTD. Why didn't he clarify like he did with all the other characters? Probably a combination of these things:

1) The hype was real, and hype sells games. Why kill that before launch?
2) Sakurai is a gigantic troll and thought it was hilarious.
3) Nintendo, for whatever the **** reason, didn't want anything more revealed about Ridley or the bosses.

Anyway, THE GAME IS OUT. Anybody who thinks more characters are coming is fooling themselves. We may see DLC eventually, but that's about it, and likely only as a way to hype new games as they release during the Wii U's console generation. I can just see that: Nintendo Direct announces release date for the new Star Fox game? Oh btw you can download Wolf in Smash now, $3.99. Pokemon get's it's first Wii U game? Here ya go, Mewtwo is $5.99.

If that type of thing doesn't happen, the roster is final.
 

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1) The hype was real, and hype sells games. Why kill that before launch?
I don't care which side you're on but...

In the context of teasing Ridley so much only to him being just a boss... Why would you sell your game based on false hype?

Now I'm not saying that Ridley WILL be playable and like I've said before he'll likely be a boss, but I'm questioning this reasoning.
 
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I don't care which side you're on but...

In the context of teasing Ridley so much only to him being just a boss... Why would you sell your game based on false hype?
So you're saying Nintendo would intentionally kill hype, and sell fewer copies, in order to be a good Samaritan? Maybe they would, but I don't think so.
 

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So you're saying Nintendo would intentionally kill hype, and sell fewer copies, in order to be a good Samaritan? Maybe they would, but I don't think so.
Are you seriously suggesting that Ridley being confirmed boss would actually kill hype for the Wii U version?
 

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It makes perfect sense. He teased him as a boss, and then decided to let the hype run wild when everybody thought he was being teased as playable. The most damning evidence is the "enemy from Samus' past" thing on the Pyrosphere POTD. Why didn't he clarify like he did with all the other characters? Probably a combination of these things:

1) The hype was real, and hype sells games. Why kill that before launch?
2) Sakurai is a gigantic troll and thought it was hilarious.
3) Nintendo, for whatever the **** reason, didn't want anything more revealed about Ridley or the bosses.

Anyway, THE GAME IS OUT. Anybody who thinks more characters are coming is fooling themselves. We may see DLC eventually, but that's about it, and likely only as a way to hype new games as they release during the Wii U's console generation. I can just see that: Nintendo Direct announces release date for the new Star Fox game? Oh btw you can download Wolf in Smash now, $3.99. Pokemon get's it's first Wii U game? Here ya go, Mewtwo is $5.99.

If that type of thing doesn't happen, the roster is final.
Every single other deconfirmation has been very straightforward, if they aren't playable, he'll say it, sakurai isn't one for false hype. Also how is more fighters in any way fooling ourselves, if anything it has a good chance of happening, don't know if you noticed but the wii u is kinda dying, nintendo would be stupid not to do this. The characters are what sells smash and isn't the absence of a new metroid, dk, zelda or a 6th pokemon rep kinda odd too you? Plus the gematsu leak which was true claimed chorus kids were in7

Either way, I'll have the last laugh when he's revealed
 
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To be honest, nearly everybody who's been following Sm4sh up to this point should at least know what the final roster is, so it would make sense for the Wii U version to have all or at least most of the characters unlocked.

You'd have to be living under a rock to not know this by this point in time.
 

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What about if the unlockanles are also tied to transfer? Assuming all of this is true, if you have your 3ds with everything unlocked, then hook them together and get the rest of the roster downloaded and the wii unlocks the rest of the characters. However, if you don't connect them, they'd stay locked and you need to play to unlock everything.

I think that method would work well so people don't have to unlock the same roster twice in two months, but still give goals for people who didn't get the 3ds.

I dunno, that's what I'd've done, but Sakurai has pretty much proven that he doesn't do anything I would do...
 

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I love the idea and I hope it gets incorporated! If not in this game, then maybe a future installment...

Also someone above jokingly mentioned Pink Gold Pit. You have no idea how hilarious yet awesome that sounds. I would main him so much you have no idea, haha.
 
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Coming from a Dixie, Ridley, Impa, and Mewtwo fan's perspective, is it sad that the main reason that I want this leak to be true is the Forest Haven stage? Seriously, Wind Waker HD was awesome and my favorite character was Makar, not to mention that Forest Haven is beautiful and would translate perfectly into Smash.
 

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Simple answer, It isn't fake. There's too many pieces of random info that could easily debunk it to make it fake. I mean a full stage list? c'mon that could be debunked in a day, same with the release date

Also I just realized something, Mount dedede is a song in the 3DS version, so is temple, so is rainbow cruise, so is bramble blast. See where I'm going with this?
I already posted about the music tracks, but I agree. It is very odd that a "fake" leaker would put information that could be debunked within a day on his fake leak.

Edit: I just realised something. Sakurai was talking about how he wouldn't be including Subspace-style cutscenes because it can easily just be posted on the internet and warped of all surprise. Using this logic, would it be too far fetched to say that maybe the stages are unlocked form the get-go for this very reason?
 
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