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Smashoperatingbuddy123

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I see you guys are forgetting that yesterdays potd had ness in it and its the 3ds version

Besides isn't it most likely scenario the guy unlocked ness before that.
 

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Smash Bros needs more villains, if they can make Andross a very viable Smash Bros candidate, then I'm all for it.
Indeed. There is just a lack of villains in this game. Right now we got Bowser, Bowser Jr, Gonondorf, Wario, King DeDeDe(kinda) and Dark Pit (Kinda as well). If Ridley gets in that's just 7 villains. bringing Wolf back would make it 8. 8 out of 50 something. One COULD make an argument that Mewtwo could be labled as a villain as well.

Other good choices to add: King K Rool, Medusa(like her more then Hades and would be one of the only female villains), Porky, Waluigi, Black Shadow (if you want to keep current ganondorfs set but want to make ganondorf completely different. I don;t but some do), King Hippo, and some others in games not reped yet, like advanced wars, Shin, Golden sun.
 

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Leon is logical next rep for Star Fox IMO. You have Fox and Falco, two members of Star Fox, and Wolf, who is Fox's rival. Slippy would be kinda weird as you'd have 3/4 of the SF team, the same applies to Peppy. Krystal is the other logical candidate, as she can use her staff but I feel that Leon has more going for him.
(Now just assume that Wolf had already returned)

- Fox has his rival in Wolf. Leon is Falco's rival.
- He is described as a Sniper. That alone makes him a stealth/tactical based fighter.
- Camouflage would be an interesting b move to implement.
- As a chameleon, a lot of his normals could be based around using his tongue as a weapon (I know Yoshi has a tongue move, but it's not really the same).

So he has:
- Unique appearance.
- Unique style.
- Unique specials.
- Unique normals.
- Unique looking movement (reptile/Chameleon like).
- Villain.

IMO, he's one of the most logical additions, but that's just me.
Sakurai would be better off just making a new character instead. Simply giving a character things they didn't actually have/use doesn't mean they have moveset potential. Also, Leon is a fairly unimportant character from Star Fox, as simply he is just Wolf's lackey. If anything Slippy is a more logical next addition. Perhaps if the series was bigger, then we can stretch with the newcomers for it, but as it stands, Krystal is the next most important member of Team Star Fox. Pretty sure being a member of it has precedence over Star Wolf.
 

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Indeed. There is just a lack of villains in this game. Right now we got Bowser, Bowser Jr, Gonondorf, Wario, King DeDeDe(kinda) and Dark Pit (Kinda as well). If Ridley gets in that's just 7 villains. bringing Wolf back would make it 8. 8 out of 50 something. One COULD make an argument that Mewtwo could be labled as a villain as well.

Other good choices to add: King K Rool, Medusa(like her more then Hades and would be one of the only female villains), Porky, Waluigi, Black Shadow (if you want to keep current ganondorfs set but want to make ganondorf completely different. I don;t but some do), King Hippo, and some others in games not reped yet, like advanced wars, Shin, Golden sun.
I think mewtwo can be considered a villain, Pokemon isn't really a game that can have villains and mewtwo is the closest thing

Also dark samus
 

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But this is the trophy shop, something that's available from the start. Why would his trophy be there if he was secret, I really doubt it changes
I need hard evidence that the 12 are a of available from the start. Especially due to them being on the unlockables list and not the starters list (besides lucina.)

That happens with a ton of games stuff gets added as you unlock stuff.
 

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Indeed. There is just a lack of villains in this game. Right now we got Bowser, Bowser Jr, Gonondorf, Wario, King DeDeDe(kinda) and Dark Pit (Kinda as well). If Ridley gets in that's just 7 villains. bringing Wolf back would make it 8. 8 out of 50 something. One COULD make an argument that Mewtwo could be labled as a villain as well.

Other good choices to add: King K Rool, Medusa(like her more then Hades and would be one of the only female villains), Porky, Waluigi, Black Shadow (if you want to keep current ganondorfs set but want to make ganondorf completely different. I don;t but some do), King Hippo, and some others in games not reped yet, like advanced wars, Shin, Golden sun.
Just want to point out that Dark Pit is an anti-hero, not a villain. He has never sided with the bad guys despite his origins if I'm not mistaken.
 

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I think mewtwo can be considered a villain, Pokemon isn't really a game that can have villains and mewtwo is the closest thing

Also dark samus
I forgot about dark samus. could work, but only after ridley.

Just want to point out that Dark Pit is an anti-hero, not a villain. He has never sided with the bad guys despite his origins if I'm not mistaken.
That's why I said Kinda. He was born of evil ways, and is pretty jerkish and not nice at all. I can see him being on the villains side because he hates pit, thats all.
 

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Sakurai would be better off just making a new character instead. Simply giving a character things they didn't actually have/use doesn't mean they have moveset potential. Also, Leon is a fairly unimportant character from Star Fox, as simply he is just Wolf's lackey. If anything Slippy is a more logical next addition. Perhaps if the series was bigger, then we can stretch with the newcomers for it, but as it stands, Krystal is the next most important member of Team Star Fox. Pretty sure being a member of it has precedence over Star Wolf.
Best cut Captain Falcon then. Sorry Cap, you gotta go.

The fact is, Leon is a Chameleon, and is "Star Wolf's Sniper". So none of that is even remotely out of place.
 

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I guess if the rumor said that the 12 are avaible from the start in the wii u version

I sorry but i really doubt the tower of smash rumor now (due to im sure you have unlock all of them in both version.)

And i believe marth and ness were in the intro in brawl so they were unmasked before unlocked.


(And also that event match is rumored gone all together in both versions, and we found the announcer voice for that mode and could very well be in the wii u version.)
 
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I guess if the rumor said that the 12 are avaible from the start in the wii u version

I sorry but i really doubt the tower of smash rumor now (due to im sure you have unlock all of them in both version.)

And i believe marth and ness were in the intro in brawl so they were unmasked before unlocked.


(And also that event match is rumored gone all together in both versions, and we found the announcer voice for that mode and could very well be in the wii u version.)
They were there because they had to put mother and fire emblem in the intro and they are the main characters of their franchise, Having ness be a trophy in the trophy shop, where anyone else can easily take his place makes no sense if he's unlockable

Also I really don't see the point in having to unlock the characters again since the game comes out like 2 months later, Like at all
 
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Leon is logical next rep for Star Fox IMO. You have Fox and Falco, two members of Star Fox, and Wolf, who is Fox's rival. Slippy would be kinda weird as you'd have 3/4 of the SF team, the same applies to Peppy. Krystal is the other logical candidate, as she can use her staff but I feel that Leon has more going for him.
(Now just assume that Wolf had already returned)

- Fox has his rival in Wolf. Leon is Falco's rival.
- He is described as a Sniper. That alone makes him a stealth/tactical based fighter.
- Camouflage would be an interesting b move to implement.
- As a chameleon, a lot of his normals could be based around using his tongue as a weapon (I know Yoshi has a tongue move, but it's not really the same).

So he has:
- Unique appearance.
- Unique style.
- Unique specials.
- Unique normals.
- Unique looking movement (reptile/Chameleon like).
- Villain.

IMO, he's one of the most logical additions, but that's just me.
He's also a trained assassin, opening doors to all kinds of sneaky cloak-and-dagger backstabbery. He'd be a more cutthroat version of Sheik or Greninja, who also excels at range with a rifle. I never really thought about it before, but I'm with you on this!

I guess if the rumor said that the 12 are avaible from the start in the wii u version

I sorry but i really doubt the tower of smash rumor now (due to im sure you have unlock all of them in both version.)

And i believe marth and ness were in the intro in brawl so they were unmasked before unlocked.


(And also that event match is rumored gone all together in both versions, and we found the announcer voice for that mode and could very well be in the wii u version.)
That's fair. To be honest, my faith is dwindling a bit too. It isn't dead yet, but the one-two punch of "Mt. DeDeDe vs. Great Cave Offensive" (moreso the lack of mentioning a minecart-based level) and "Event Match" has left a gaping wound in it.

Who exactly found the sound bytes? Would it be possible to get some more information from them? Is there something in the file structure or code lying around that might indicate their intended use?
 
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Best cut Captain Falcon then. Sorry Cap, you gotta go.

The fact is, Leon is a Chameleon, and is "Star Wolf's Sniper". So none of that is even remotely out of place.
Not a fair comparison, Captain Falcon is the sole rep of his franchise, and is kinda the only relevant thing from it, even more than the franchise itself. Leon however, is wholefully minor character, and I doubt Sakurai would want to go through the trouble of working on a character who has no real moveset ideas, aside from just aesthetic differences from Wolf, and the the Starfox members. Krystal is hands down the most logical choice, and frankly, i'd prefer her. She would be the first character to use a staff, and there is plenty to work with, and she would represent Star Fox Adventure in a way, and female. Leon on the other hand, would just be Wolf's answer to Falco, and that's it.
 

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Not a fair comparison, Captain Falcon is the sole rep of his franchise, and is kinda the only relevant thing from it, even more than the franchise itself. Leon however, is wholefully minor character, and I doubt Sakurai would want to go through the trouble of working on a character who has no real moveset ideas, aside from just aesthetic differences from Wolf, and the the Starfox members. Krystal is hands down the most logical choice, and frankly, i'd prefer her. She would be the first character to use a staff, and there is plenty to work with, and she would represent Star Fox Adventure in a way, and female. Leon on the other hand, would just be Wolf's answer to Falco, and that's it.
He DOES have moveset ideas though. I just laid them out. They're completely in keeping with his personality.

There's no point in arguing that he isn't important to his series, because he is. If Dark Pit can be added, then Leon is more than worthy enough.

That's not to say that I wouldn't mind Krystal, because I'd love to have her. But IMO, Leon is by far the most logical rep.
 
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They were there because they had to put mother and fire emblem in the intro and they are the main characters of their franchise, Having ness be a trophy in the trophy shop, where anyone else can easily take his place makes no sense if he's unlockable

Also I really don't see the point in having to unlock the characters again since the game comes out like 2 months later, Like at all
Then how about jigglypuff shown in a particual way in the melee intro all pokemon get blurred except her.
 

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He DOES have moveset ideas though. I just laid them out. They're completely in keeping with his personality.

There's no point in arguing that he isn't important to his series, because he is. If Dark Pit can be added, then Leon is more than worthy enough.

That's not to say that I wouldn't mind Krystal, because I'd love to have her. But IMO, Leon is by far the most logical rep.
Well, I don't want to get into an argument either. But I still disagree with you completely. I honestly have to say Slippy and Krystal are probably higher up in the next newcomer for Star Fox totem as is, plus Krystal is the most logical, as all the ideas are right in front of Sakurai, plus she is more important. Lastly, Dark Pit was meant to be an alt, turned into a clone character, so lets not bring him up, unless you are ok with the idea of Leon being a clone?
 

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You mean the split second when there are tons of other pokemon, if you didn't know jigglypuff was in the game you still wouldn't
Jigglypuff is obvious even if it was number 2 of the series

It would be the same concept as finding a item from that characters series (in this case mr saturn and the franklin badge in ssb4)
 
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Well, I don't want to get into an argument either. But I still disagree with you completely. I honestly have to say Slippy and Krystal are probably higher up in the next newcomer for Star Fox totem as is, plus Krystal is the most logical, as all the ideas are right in front of Sakurai, plus she is more important. Lastly, Dark Pit was meant to be an alt, turned into a clone character, so lets not bring him up, unless you are ok with the idea of Leon being a clone?
Agree to disagree on Leon. But I'd love Slippy or Krystal. I'd imagine Slippy to essentially be what Dan is to Ryu, but Slippy to Fox. Could make for an interesting character.
 

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Ok its even worse for me now

The rumor saids all the stages will be unlocked from the gecko as well

That is beyond stupid With that many stages.
 
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Look at the second line of words on the first post "the wii u version has all the characters and stages unlocked at the get-go"
I think it makes sense.
Competitive players want all of their stuff unlocked from the get-go, and since its being released in the USA first...I think its safe to assume it will be aimed towards the competitive community.
 

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I think it makes sense.
Competitive players want all of their stuff unlocked from the get-go, and since its being released in the USA first...I think its safe to assume it will be aimed towards the competitive community.
The smashers love unlocking stuff in smash bros

And 40+ stages in the wii u version and none have to be unlocked

No no even competitive players would want to unlock some stuff and too many stages to not be unlocked.
 

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The smashers love unlocking stuff in smash bros

And 40+ stages in the wii u version and none have to be unlocked

No no even competitive players would want to unlock some stuff and too many stages to not be unlocked.
Well, lets see how everything turns out, before making claims. Yes, unlocking stuff is a big part of Smash Bros, but this Smash Bros has changed so many habits, and if this leaker was fake, why include that info? Wouldn't that raise flags if anything? It all seems to fishy to write off.
 

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Well, lets see how everything turns out, before making claims. Yes, unlocking stuff is a big part of Smash Bros, but this Smash Bros has changed so many habits, and if this leaker was fake, why include that info? Wouldn't that raise flags if anything? It all seems to fishy to write off.
:confused: Your kidding right Name one leak that did not include info on the version (and only character leaks do not count.)
 
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Leon is logical next rep for Star Fox IMO. You have Fox and Falco, two members of Star Fox, and Wolf, who is Fox's rival. Slippy would be kinda weird as you'd have 3/4 of the SF team, the same applies to Peppy. Krystal is the other logical candidate, as she can use her staff but I feel that Leon has more going for him.
(Now just assume that Wolf had already returned)

- Fox has his rival in Wolf. Leon is Falco's rival.
- He is described as a Sniper. That alone makes him a stealth/tactical based fighter.
- Camouflage would be an interesting b move to implement.
- As a chameleon, a lot of his normals could be based around using his tongue as a weapon (I know Yoshi has a tongue move, but it's not really the same).

So he has:
- Unique appearance.
- Unique style.
- Unique specials.
- Unique normals.
- Unique looking movement (reptile/Chameleon like).
- Villain.

IMO, he's one of the most logical additions, but that's just me.
I've thought about this too. I would rather have Leon than Krystal but I'm sure she would be next.
 

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No unlockables seem like a pretty risky move since that is half of what contributes to Smash's replay value. But we'll see whenever the hell that next Nintendo Direct happens.
 

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No unlockables seem like a pretty risky move since that is half of what contributes to Smash's replay value. But we'll see whenever the hell that next Nintendo Direct happens.
Well we already had a bunch of stuff to unlock on the 3ds version, there' no real point to do it for both. Also smash on the wii u is for multiplayer, that's it's main purpose. Having everything unlocked so you can start playing right away makes sense
 

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Is it possible, that you don't have to unlock anything, if you connect the 2 games? I can see that being a reason. Sakurai may understand that people do9n't want to unlock everything twice. Plus the leaker does state that connecting the games transfers custom characters and moves.

Plus, you may still need to unlock moves and trophies and possibly even modes. even if you do connect.
 

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:confused: Your kidding right Name one leak that did not include info on the version (and only character leaks do not count.)
And second of all even though its still very likely a mix of every single kirby super star stage can you proove the great cave offense is not the only one of that stage.

(Don't judge me on immediately giving up on that.)

And i apparently accidently quoted my own post.
 
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I would just like to point out that Sakurai revealed the stage Gamer BEFORE he started revealing secret stuff including Wario himself. So this must mean that not only Gamer is available from the start but also Wario might be considering he's Gamer's only series rep that being the Wario series. Unless this is like the case of Shadow Moses Island from Brawl being available from the start while Snake was unlockable.
 

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And second of all even though its still very likely a mix of every single kirby super star stage can you proove the great cave offense is not the only one of that stage.
No, we haven't had an official PotD on it yet. Nobody knows any more than what was on that Facebook image. That was likely posted by a separate marketing team, so calling it a "stage" could have been a mistake. I suggest withholding judgment on that piece until we've seen Sakurai's official word on it.
 
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