Top Players & Videos by Character

[Zwarm]

Fine, Scythe generally out places Rat at IL tournaments, but Rat outplaced Scythe at TBH3.

Wait so my $2000 dollar MM for the #2 Squirtle spot with Burnsy won't count?

 

[Oro?!]

Wolf is the only character I said should have more than the arbitrary 3 limit, and this is why.

Same could be said for why Vidjo isn't on the ZSS list.

 

[KayB]

How about this: I put Scythe on the list for now. Should Rat ever start to outplace Scythe in tournies, I'll put him in the list instead. Sound good?

 

[Zwarm]

I think it would motivate Rat to play even better than he already has been, so I agree.

I mean since we all know hes a top 3 Wolf anyway

 

[Zerudahime]

Yes I am Zhime Kayb.

And srsly, what does it take to be number 1 Zelda?
There must be a ton of em then. >_>

 

[trash?]

...who is ryoko anyway

like I am trying to search then + the earliest results I'm getting of any matches from them are ten months ago

 

[Nguz95]

...who is ryoko anyway

like I am trying to search then + the earliest results I'm getting of any matches from them are ten months ago

He's at xanadu right now. Check him out.

 

[Zerudahime]

He designed Zelda in pmbr.
He plays in MD/VA but hes also from PA.
But....he pretty much more or less plays sheik nowadays afaik, not as much zelda.
Drastically different than mine though.

 

[Deleted member]

as far as i know, zelda and peach are his best characters. and yeah he plays much different.

 

[Strong Badam]

not really sure why either of Nintendude/Vro are on the ike list anymore. vro switched to wario before he quit and then quit. nintendude has used peach most of the time since 2.5 came out.

 

[Nguz95]

Vro actually quit PM? I don't understand... Is he still salty about that categories of a** thing?

 

[Jolteon]

Be prepared to move me to the top of this list when I take Apex.

 

[Zwarm]

Vro wasn't having fun with the game anymore, that's why he quit.

 

[Oro?!]

RIP a good friend and the best teammate. : (

Vroro died too young...

 

[Strong Badam]

#winfromwithin wasn't able to take down Team Rocket tho.

 

[DMG]

Put Rat back on the Wolf list you goons

Also find a vid for each player if possible. If not, write next to their name "Real Gangster"

 

[Oro?!]

Rat/Scythe OGs. Everyone else sucks.

 

[NeonApophis]

My Lucas is better than Calabrel's, according to Calabrel, myself, and most Arizona PM players who are familiar with both of us (and it's supported by the fact that I beat him 6-1 in Lucas dittos last time we played).
If the current list is accurate this presumably means I'm also better than Hammertime, which I believe is the case based on some of his videos that I saw a while ago.

Oracle is really good. I'd like to play him and see how we compare, since he definitely has more national tournament experience than I do and is better at certain things.

 

[DMG]

I beat Sethlon once in a Roy ditto, where's my ****in Burger King Crown of Champions?

 

[Oracle]

My lucas is the best at winning and thats what counts

 

[KayB]

I beat Sethlon once in a Roy ditto, where's my ****in Burger King Crown of Champions?

He was going easy on you. Based Sethlon is modest. He'll play with his prey before he beats the **** outta them.

 

[Nguz95]

Neon is the real deal. Here are some of his matches

 

[Vixen]

My Lucas is better than Calabrel's, according to Calabrel, myself, and most Arizona PM players who are familiar with both of us (and it's supported by the fact that I beat him 6-1 in Lucas dittos last time we played).
If the current list is accurate this presumably means I'm also better than Hammertime, which I believe is the case based on some of his videos that I saw a while ago.

Oracle is really good. I'd like to play him and see how we compare, since he definitely has more national tournament experience than I do and is better at certain things.

I had an easier time vs you than Calabrel who beat me more matches than you did last time we played.

 

[Vixen]

Neon is the real deal. Here are some of his matches

You failed to link the matches where I beat Neon. :V

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNReR2KZTH8

I might be the only player who loses to Calabrel more than Neon, though.

 

[Nazo]

Neon is best Lucas all day everyday.

 

[Player -0]

My Lucas is better than Calabrel's, according to Calabrel, myself, and most Arizona PM players who are familiar with both of us (and it's supported by the fact that I beat him 6-1 in Lucas dittos last time we played).
If the current list is accurate this presumably means I'm also better than Hammertime, which I believe is the case based on some of his videos that I saw a while ago.

Oracle is really good. I'd like to play him and see how we compare, since he definitely has more national tournament experience than I do and is better at certain things.

Didn't see how dittos don't matter as much xP

I had an easier time vs you than Calabrel who beat me more matches than you did last time we played.

Could be difference of playstyle that's causing the problem for you.

 

[Nguz95]

You failed to link the matches where I beat Neon. :V

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNReR2KZTH8

I might be the only player who loses to Calabrel more than Neon, though.

I'm sorry. I didn't know you played against him. I've seen your matches against Calabrel, but I didn't know he recorded some of you vs. Neon.
Edit: I think the dittos do matter. If mango came and picked up one of the characters in PM, and then proceeded to beat every single one of the people on that respective list, we would say he's the best with X character.

 

[DMG]

I watched these videos, and after a long period, I have come to the conclusion that:





These people aren't Awestin and Oracle

 

[Nguz95]

Lol. You could have found that out by reading the title. Also, I posted almost two hours worth of videos. You didn't watch all of it, did you?

Mizuki, do you still play Pit? I heard you didn't like the stuff they changed in 2.6. I don't know, it could have been a rumor.

 

[DMG]

I only have one comment for Calabrel: when you do that floating magnet after a Ness Dthrow, you cancel it a lot with DJ Fair even when on top of people. You might have more success (if you are reading the tech stand-up) by doing Dair instead, or not even jumping and just running at them.

 

[ELI-mination]

I didn't watch these videos because me and Gallo already are the most gahlike with Ness and Lucas

I smell an Apex money match brewing

 

[trash?]

I can live w/ neon being better than cala w/r/t lucas, sure. cala seems more like a ness sort of guy anyway

but then, since oracle + neon are 1 and 2 (in some order), who's gonna be #3? (gonna be biased and say hammertime WE NEED AT LEAST ONE CANUCK ON THIS LIST <3)

 

[DMG]

I am a Ness sort of guy

I don't even play Ness what is a Ness I only play Fox, poorly

 

[\Apples]

So here's some of Vidjo's ZSS from last Gameclucks, him vs Silent Wolf in GF, Vidjo from Winner's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFiENASTj8c

The rest of the November GC matches that happened to get recorded are there too. I did a couple $10 MM's as Wario vs Eggz' Lucario that might be worth watching and there's some other good **** on there.

EDIT: Noticed there are only 2 players listed under ROB, and Gage's is good enough to consider for the #3 ROB. (Eggz's roommate from Portland)

 

[NeonApophis]

You failed to link the matches where I beat Neon. :V

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNReR2KZTH8

I might be the only player who loses to Calabrel more than Neon, though.

No Johns, but that was the first time I ever played 2.6b, and Calabrel was in fact probably better than me with Lucas at that point in time. When 2.6 came out I had to adjust a lot to not having a b-reversable magnet and force myself not to try using it, and I wasn't able to go back to using it very effectively right away. However I've gotten a lot better recently, and I just think most of my matches from before October are embarrassingly bad compared to my current skill level (which is not very high compared to Lucas's ridiculous skill cap).


Also, I can agree that dittos don't mean a ton, and certainly don't settle a debate over who is best with a certain character, but they are clearer than any other matchup since dittos eliminate questions about how good or bad a matchup is. It would be best if both players could play thousands of matches against all of the characters of every player in the world and see who does better overall, but since that is pretty unfeasible, we should look at the most useful data and use that to extrapolate. I'm pretty sure dittos provide better data than any other matchups since 1. we know 100% that neither character has an inherent advantage, whereas other matchups are almost certainly unbalanced in some way and 2. if it's a ditto between two players' mains, they both probably have a pretty good understanding of the character, which helps to minimize the risk that a player was just unlucky enough to play against a character they aren't experienced against. For example, this can happen in tournaments if you just happen to hit a character you're not experienced against, even though the player you're hitting could easily have been replaced in the initial seeding by another equally skilled player who uses a character you are experienced against. Note that I'm not trying to mitigate the role of matchup experience in evaluating how good a player is overall, but rather trying to minimize the impact of randomness, which just adds noise to the evaluation. It is entirely possible for a player with lots of experience against 28 of the characters to hit one of those 6 he isn't very experienced against early in a tournament, whereas another player with strong experience against only 24 of the characters (let's assume they're a subset of the other player's 28) could get lucky and not have to play any of his bad matchups. Obviously in the long run the player with broader matchup experience will do better if both are equally skilled in all other areas, but given the relative infrequency of tournaments (especially large ones), it can take a while for the results to align with what would be expected just given player skills and knowledge. The same thing applies to using friendlies (or seriouslies) as a basis for your judgment, since the matches that you play and that get recorded at smashfests are highly random and often just depend on who happens to be on the recording setup when you arrive.

Again, dittos definitely aren't everything, but they probably should be assigned more weight than other matchups. If we say that a random matchup has an average weighting of 1.0 in whatever formula we're using to evaluate how good someone is with a certain character, dittos might be weighted at something like 1.2-1.7 on average. The Lucas ditto probably requires a higher weighting just because the Lucas matchup in general will be of above average importance, since he is such a good character and will likely be a prominent threat once his metagame becomes more developed, but that is an entirely different subject that I won't go into here.

 

[Oracle]

I'm bad at dittos tho pls don't expose me

 

[Oro?!]

I would put Vidjo over Leffen any day lol.

 

[| Kailex |]

I hate dittos

 

[DMG]

Vidjo can do some things with her sometimes, it's scary sort of

 

[\Apples]

No one ever believes me when I talk about the **** Vidjo can pull off. He's one of the unsung old school heroes of Smash. M2K got a lot of his stuff from him. Jason tells him all the time, "I just copy your Peach and I beat people.", "I just play MK like you did in Brawl and I still beat people years later, haven't really changed much." It's kind of shocking he wasn't in the Smash documentary, honestly. But in the end it really isn't all that important, it's not really about recognition for some people. I've definitely learned more valuable things about Smash from him than anyone else. But yeah, his super reactive and aggressively safe playstyle is crazy hard to play against and ZSS fits his values as a player even more than Peach, at least he says. Honestly, he sometimes makes me think ZSS is too good. The **** he discovers in games... he's got some secret ZSS stuff that I can't really explain, some things I'm not even sure if they're glitches or not but he takes advantage of them rarely because he doesn't want people to know what she can do so they struggle to get used to it. Little trump cards. I've learned to do that myself a bit, but I don't do it nearly as effectively. Wish I could share some of the stuff I've seen with the PMBR cause honestly I think it'd be good to know but I can't even really explain lol.