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Top Players & Videos by Character v3.5

TreK

TreK

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People need to learn how to edgeguard Luigi lmao

You have to treat Luigi like snake : if you don't kill him yourself, he's gonna come back. But it's pretty easy to do so. Zael keeps his misfires to recover, which makes it noticeably harder, but every time I see an unpunished tornado or someone trying to edgehog him, my face rapidly meets my palm. Would you edgehog a snake ? I didn't think so lmao
 
Venom_909

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¤TreK said:
People need to learn how to edgeguard Luigi lmao

You have to treat Luigi like snake : if you don't kill him yourself, he's gonna come back. But it's pretty easy to do so. Zael keeps his misfires to recover, which makes it noticeably harder, but every time I see an unpunished tornado or someone trying to edgehog him, my face rapidly meets my palm. Would you edgehog a snake ? I didn't think so lmao
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I feel hes one the harder ones to edge guard. Melee luigi is simple enough to edge guard. Very different in PM imo. After watching some top socal players trying to edge guard 2jar and most of the people watching trying to say what you should have done it was laughable at times. Yes there are some who excel at edgeguarding him (wario ) but after playing against 2jar with diddy / falcon / wolf i came to the conclusion its much harder then it should be.

this has a lot to do with the magnet hands in PM. Sometimes your nowhere near the ledge and it sucks onto the ledge like its brawl. Sweetspotting in this game is busted for some characters and requires very very lil precision.

Side note id have to check luigis hurtboxes cuz there were times where i would throw out a hitbox in my eyes on his face yet he would just grab ledge.
 
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Skeith

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So I've finally got vidz up, can I have my spot back on the Link list :)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfe3MQBT7sY (vs Ares, Fox)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnkeKixmwEc (vs King Mosquito, Ganondorf)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OsF0RpPa6w (vs Dex!, Marth)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxv_FgDIfEU (vs Fistfoot, King Dedede)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uq3QDPLY0I (vs Nike, Marth)

Also shoutouts to my best friends who know how to bop me. (I lost on these)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqwk-_w40LE (vs Reixmi, Fox)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GIHZ4XLLjo (vs Raven, Marth)
 
Scuba Steve

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Skeith probably more than deserves a spot just on virtue of being a non rang abusing Link in 3.0 that made the list before lol
 
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DMG

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Went to check, podcast was almost 2 hours long...

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I am a Gentleman, and a Scholar, but this is too much
 
Elza~

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@ Venom_909 Venom_909 If you think that it requires "very very lil precision" to sweetspot the ledge with Luigi's Side-B, why don't you try consistently sweetspotting the Misfire from off the screen.

It is a precision recovery. Luigi needs to have already peaked in vertical altitude and be on the descent to snap ledge. Doing this from different distances requires you to know how long to hold the charge.

The way you are talking about his recovery makes it sound OP. It's not. I was the only one in my region telling EVERYBODY when they were under the assumption 3.5 would nerf everyone's recoveries that Luigi's wouldn't get touched because contrary to what people perceive, it isn't that good. I was right. It is the same as it was in 3.02.
 
DMG

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ePeen gaming is best name for anything
 
The_NZA

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DMG said:
Went to check, podcast was almost 2 hours long...

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I am a Gentleman, and a Scholar, but this is too much
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To be honest, the first hour or hour and 10 minutes is us actually addressing the scene and issues and talking on the topics we established. The last 50 minutes is us fielding QnA which is probably less important or interesting to people. I'd say, listen till you get bored or download it from itunes and check it out on your commute. Its some good content.
 
Bazkip

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Got some vids of Bidooof (finally) and also some more of Holy

Bidooof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuWEVmErlCM (vs Cheet, Ness)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4-j0-No3yg (vs MorKs, Falcon)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4XKErfT7-Y (vs ZerGg, Falco/Fox)

Holy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWs7srogLAY (vs Bobo, Ivysaur)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQcyZz4U7To (vs gndlf, Link)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCDJJZmSAoQ (vs Bidooof, G&W)

Grand Finals was Holy vs Bidooof, Bidooof reset against his MK and then Holy won set 2 with Sheik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26EkBIzNaks

We also got one game of MorKs going his main, Snake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmPoaBbbo3w (vs Chemise Carrotee, Jigglypuff)
 
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¤TreK said:
People need to learn how to edgeguard Luigi lmao

You have to treat Luigi like snake : if you don't kill him yourself, he's gonna come back. But it's pretty easy to do so. Zael keeps his misfires to recover, which makes it noticeably harder, but every time I see an unpunished tornado or someone trying to edgehog him, my face rapidly meets my palm. Would you edgehog a snake ? I didn't think so lmao
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the problem with tornado is if you punish it he gets it back, so he basically just always has a full height tornado one way or another which is worth like 3x any other recovery. his sweetspot with side b is also way lower than it ever should be. luigi has a pretty ****ing stupid recovery against anyone not named fox, and we all know how much everyone loves THAT character already
 
Phoca017

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Hi guys!

I'm very pleased to be on the list of charizard players. I don't know how did happned, but I'm glad, thanks!

I'm a T.O. in São Paulo (Brazil) too, and I would like to annunciate our new channel. I'm part of HypeBR (T.O. group in São Paulo) and in this year we had been changed from 1upsmashforum from hype br channel on youtube.

We already have videos from two tournaments from this year online, PPX and SAMPEX, including Project M 3.5, Wii U and one video of N64 (PPX GF). I'm responsable for upload Project M videos and Wii U (sharing with another TO), and I can assure that the channel will be update, at least PM and Wii U.

I cannot post links here yet, but the channel is "Hype BR", the second on youtube search.

Tks!
 
TreK

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^I think it's because your last tourney's GFs were uploaded on reddit.
For a channel called HypeBR, I'd have expected commentators ! Commentators in another language are always the funniest =3
Umbreon said:
the problem with tornado is if you punish it he gets it back, so he basically just always has a full height tornado one way or another which is worth like 3x any other recovery. his sweetspot with side b is also way lower than it ever should be. luigi has a pretty ****ing stupid recovery against anyone not named fox, and we all know how much everyone loves THAT character already
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Yeah I wouldn't mind having more people "lose" their extra recovery options if hit during it, kinda like how you need to actually touch the stage to get your bumps back for Marth's side B or Ivy's dair in example. I still don't think it's necessary on Luigi but ey. I'm Ivysaur I can just bair through everything. GOML bruh.

Side B is still pretty easy to edgeguard though. If you've ever played as Luigi once in your life you should be able to tell if a side B is going to sweetspot or not by where the Luigi starts charging it (not by when he releases it). And since it loses to every hitbox ever... Well, just put a hitbox out. He'll tornado, which can't sweetspot, and you'll spike the F out of him. Classic.
 
Phoca017

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Trek, about commentators, we changed the local of our tournaments (2015 with a lot of changes hahaha) and we didnt have equipamente necessary for commentators and stream. But Mc$ and Kizzu were at APEX and seems that they bought an new setup for that! Next tournament we probably will have this problem solved.

Also, the videos of PPX playlist have commentators :). This tournament has only 4 videos, but has, hahaha
 
Player -0

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But then you do the mixup where you F-Throw them towards the center of the stage so you can tipper the mofo out of them.

Low level Marths ruin this by always F-Throwing though so it's kind of sad.
 
Venom_909

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Elza~ said:
@ Venom_909 Venom_909 If you think that it requires "very very lil precision" to sweetspot the ledge with Luigi's Side-B, why don't you try consistently sweetspotting the Misfire from off the screen.

It is a precision recovery. Luigi needs to have already peaked in vertical altitude and be on the descent to snap ledge. Doing this from different distances requires you to know how long to hold the charge.

The way you are talking about his recovery makes it sound OP. It's not. I was the only one in my region telling EVERYBODY when they were under the assumption 3.5 would nerf everyone's recoveries that Luigi's wouldn't get touched because contrary to what people perceive, it isn't that good. I was right. It is the same as it was in 3.02.
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Sigh :)
 
Shokio

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I would just like to take a moment to express just how BADLY I absolutely DEMOLISHED @ Strong Badam Strong Badam with my Olimar today. 2-0'd this man in bracket, and I didn't even use any Pikmin on the last 2 stocks of game 2. He had no idea WHAT to do.



If ya'll thought Chillin vs. Leffen was bad.....you shoulda seen this. It was a straight massacre. Dude didn't even stand a chance.
 
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Shokio said:
I would just like to take a moment to express just how BADLY I absolutely DEMOLISHED @ Strong Badam Strong Badam with my Olimar today. 2-0'd this man in bracket, and I didn't even use any Pikmin on the last 2 stocks of game 2. He had no idea WHAT to do.



If ya'll thought Chillin vs. Leffen was bad.....you shoulda seen this. It was a straight massacre. Dude didn't even stand a chance.
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TLOC recorded that right

rite
 
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It's a sham

strong bad forfeited in winners and losers, he wasn't feeling well. And yes, TLOC recorded tonight.

It's actually really unfortunate, since after gimr saying vgbc will never stream or upload PM again, if we streamed pm tonight we would've gotten a lot of viewers probably.
 
Bazkip

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KayB said:
Updated with Oklahoma vids, I&B, BEAST V, and more.
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uhhhh
Bazkip said:
We finally got some footage of Holy playing MK in 3.5
Well one video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZMevNgFkWo
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Bazkip said:
Got some vids of Bidooof (finally) and also some more of Holy

Bidooof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuWEVmErlCM (vs Cheet, Ness)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4-j0-No3yg (vs MorKs, Falcon)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4XKErfT7-Y (vs ZerGg, Falco/Fox)

Holy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWs7srogLAY (vs Bobo, Ivysaur)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQcyZz4U7To (vs gndlf, Link)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCDJJZmSAoQ (vs Bidooof, G&W)

Grand Finals was Holy vs Bidooof, Bidooof reset against his MK and then Holy won set 2 with Sheik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26EkBIzNaks

We also got one game of MorKs going his main, Snake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmPoaBbbo3w (vs Chemise Carrotee, Jigglypuff)
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Is Montreal not good enough for you or something?
 
Strong Badam

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I was physically fine but emotionally I was a jumbled mess of garbage and didn't want to play at all. I didn't play any friendlies until bracket was at LSF either.
 
Elza~

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Umbreon said:
the problem with tornado is if you punish it he gets it back, so he basically just always has a full height tornado one way or another which is worth like 3x any other recovery. his sweetspot with side b is also way lower than it ever should be. luigi has a pretty ****ing stupid recovery against anyone not named fox, and we all know how much everyone loves THAT character already
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It just sounds to me like you need to work on how to better deal with the recovery. It isn't as good as you are trying to make it out to be. Distance wise, yeah it's one of the best, but it suffers greatly due to it being linear and slow. Luigi is literally going one of two ways. Left-Right, Down-Up. If Luigi uses the tornado, D-air him on the peak of it....He only keeps it if you interrupt it, not if he expends it.

D-air on the side-b a good distance away from the ledge. Not at the ledge. Side-B has NO priority so he is easily hit out of it. Even if it is a misfire. I have been standing jabbed by Pikachu when I misfired and there was no trade. That is solely an intimidation move to cause people to react incorrectly.

https://gfycat.com/WellwornBeautifulJohndory
https://gfycat.com/FarflungPaleConch
https://gfycat.com/IlliterateRadiantEquestrian
https://gfycat.com/BetterUniformHoneycreeper


None of these are Fox...
 
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every recovery goes -down and left-right, just 1/3rd the distance

and i appreciate the examples but all 4 of them are horrible for different reasons
 
Elza~

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Umbreon said:
every recovery goes -down and left-right, just 1/3rd the distance

and i appreciate the examples but all 4 of them are horrible for different reasons
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Regardless, the recovery is being stopped, which is the point.

You are also acting as if the recovery requires no effort to do. I have seen plenty of people try to down-b mash. Not everyone can do it.
 
KayB

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Bazkip said:
uhhhh


Is Montreal not good enough for you or something?
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No, I'm updating them a few at a time since I don't feel like spending an hour or more udpating them all at once. I still have some Smashing Ground and Windy City Smash videos to update alongside Montreal.

Shokio said:
I would just like to take a moment to express just how BADLY I absolutely DEMOLISHED @ Strong Badam Strong Badam with my Olimar today. 2-0'd this man in bracket, and I didn't even use any Pikmin on the last 2 stocks of game 2. He had no idea WHAT to do.



If ya'll thought Chillin vs. Leffen was bad.....you shoulda seen this. It was a straight massacre. Dude didn't even stand a chance.
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Shokio vs Strong Bad salty suite LTC3 pls
 
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