Toonami Mafia - Adult Swim Edition - The sun has risen!

[~ Gheb ~]

I agree with his read on FML. It's hard to give him pro-town credit for pointing out such a ridiculously obvious contradiction though.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

@mod: Can you order people on votecounts by who voted first, second, etc, rather than alphabetically? Vote order is useful information; alphabetics are not.

I'll do my best from this point forward.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

How can you dislike me, yet dislike FML also? You think your read on them was wrong? Your vote on them earlier seemed pretty strong.

Actually, I'm not fond of the way you jumped on the wagon either. In fact, the reason you vote him can actually be applied to you as well. Rather than saying he was scummy because of his questionable responses and cop-outs you add some sort of "principle" behind the whole things. It makes a legitimate case on FML look weak.

 

[Detective Prince.]

His principle was referring to the cop-out and hydra excuse that they made.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yeah but the wording make it sound like there's some fundamental problem that is a level "above" using a mere cop-out, as if you wanted to pretend having spotted some sort of ulterior move when there really wasn't that much to it. I can see where Kantrip is coming from.

 

[Detective Prince.]

No. I'll try and be more clear next time.

 

[Kantrip]

How can you dislike me, yet dislike FML also? You think your read on them was wrong? Your vote on them earlier seemed pretty strong.

I'm not saying you guys are BOTH scum. I'm just finding things I dislike out of both of your actions.

I merely said I don't like your hop on the wagon. However, were FML to flip scum I would probably disregard that point (you wouldn't be on his team but on a separate scum team would certainly be possible). Similarly, FML being town would make me uphold my dislike for your jump on the wagon.

It's pretty straightforward. So no, I don't think my vote on them was wrong, though I'm not putting all my eggs in one basket and blindly assuming it was right.

Town leans
Gheb
AA
Joker
Raziek

Anti-town leans
FML
Detective Prince
Asdioh

I'll get to FML this evening, I've got stuff to do right now.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

So tell me, in the clearest of terms, what are you voting FML for?

 

[Detective Prince.]

My summary wasn't enough? I don't see anything that I could delve into more, I said the reason I'm voting them. If you're not certain which post I was referencing, it's #282.

I feel like I'm repeating myself here but--It comes off as uncanny, and an excuse. I also dislike how he treated L in their interaction, but that leads up to everything I've already said.

 

[Detective Prince.]

I dislike Potassium, his enthusiasm and approach this game is startling. This is not even meta.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yeah but I don't like what you already said.

 

[Detective Prince.]

I can't please everyone. There's nothing more to it. I'd rather wait for FML to respond more than anything.

 

[Detective Prince.]

Could you elaborate on the AA and Asdioh townreads?

AA is mostly gut.

Asdioh comes off as genuine and his need to post a wall about something so trivial (and apologize) is typical Asdioh. I would think as scum he wouldn't bother his time with something like that, let alone step on his own toes and try to condense a mini-case against you because RR said 'gotcha scummer.' He's just a town trying to get his bearings again, even if his logic might be off.

 

[.L-]

I'd rather wait for FML to respond more than anything.

Can't be too pressing, given that you moved your vote away before it was in any danger of mounting up to real pressure in favor of a mechanics check.

 

[Kantrip]

So I'm too enthusiastic about this game, and yet Asdioh jumping the gun with a wall case based off of Red Ruy's RVS vote, one-liner, and subsequent death isn't?

Vote Detective Prince.

 

[Detective Prince.]

This is not a town Kantrip move. You become startled when I show dislike of you and defend yourself with a vote. Your above post doesn't even make sense. You're not the same people nor have you had the same actions.

 

[Detective Prince.]

Can't be too pressing, given that you moved your vote away before it was in any danger of mounting up to real pressure in favor of a mechanics check.

If my vote doesn't register, then I didn't move it. If it does, then I know Gheb is being ****ed with.

 

[.L-]

@Gheb: Are DP (ew)'s current moves increasing or decreasing your skepticism of him?

 

[.L-]

Just the same you remove focus from your convictions about FML with that move, particularly at the time when Orbo had checked out and forward momentum had stagnated.

 

[Detective Prince.]

And you're trying to imply there is something wrong with this? My intentions are clear in the fact I voted him.

 

[.L-]

I think you're better than this. Your answer to every other objection seems to be to throw it back at your opponent as a question, shortly before a pedantic explanation.

 

[Kantrip]

Assuming that's soup because he's the one who likes to pretend he knows how I play. He's been consistently incorrect in reading me so I'm not surprised. Your wording is confusing me: Are you saying I USUALLY get startled when you show dislike for me? Or that I'm doing this now? Because honestly I don't think either are true. You disliking me doesn't even surprise me anymore, but this game you're scum and that's not why.

My post makes total sense. You said your dislike for my slot isn't even meta. You just don't like how enthusiastic I am or something. If it's not meta then that means ANY OTHER PLAYER displaying the same enthusiasm would get your dislike, right? So yes, my point stands, and no you can't defend it with "Asdioh and you are different players".

@Asdioh: Give me a read on Detective Prince as soon as possible. I don't care what your read on me is, just look at him.

 

[Detective Prince.]

Assuming that's soup because he's the one who likes to pretend he knows how I play. He's been consistently incorrect in reading me so I'm not surprised. Your wording is confusing me: Are you saying I USUALLY get startled when you show dislike for me? Or that I'm doing this now? Because honestly I don't think either are true. You disliking me doesn't even surprise me anymore, but this game you're scum and that's not why.

My post makes total sense. You said your dislike for my slot isn't even meta. You just don't like how enthusiastic I am or something. If it's not meta then that means ANY OTHER PLAYER displaying the same enthusiasm would get your dislike, right? So yes, my point stands, and no you can't defend it with "Asdioh and you are different players".

@Asdioh: Give me a read on Detective Prince as soon as possible. I don't care what your read on me is, just look at him.

Bolded. I haven't even voted you. You're trying to imply that there is something to misread. I stated a dislike in your attitude and your enthusiasm goes through the roof and you try to find a reason to vote me. I defended Asdioh and his actions, what of it? It makes me scum because I townread him and you don't? No. I don't accept this and I do not accept you to come to this conclusion.

 

[.L-]

Rereading this game after beers

I want all of the content from the layabouts when I get back

 

[Kantrip]

First you say you dislike my slot for reason X and reason Y. You say it's not meta. Then you say my reaction to this dislike is not a Town Kantrip move. This implies an even further dislike. I don't need your vote on me to know that you dislike my slot, and I don't need to find a reason to dislike yours. As I said, I dislike your jump on FML, and then every SINGLE post you made after that point has left an awful taste in my mouth.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

If this is the case, what is your objective purpose in undermining PJB's conclusion?

It actually wasn't undermining the conclusion. I was merely poking PJB and his observation with the fact that scum too can easily come out and claim their actual roles, in order to gain points or what have you, in fact I did something similar in a ongoing game. (I was scum, and outed my role to seem like i was open). It was also a slight jab at the people who are deciding to , no matter how seriously go: Well i like the way Raz did that, so town lean. It's something I disagree with, Orbi liked how he did it , it was meh for me.

The purpose (if you are referring to the eyeroll post) was that some scum will come forward with such claims(more so the miller part) early on. I've seen kevmo do this in games as scum.

Close. So close.

That is not a purpose. That's your logic.

What was your purpose in undermining the observation?

The purpose was to lightly slap PJB's observation and by extension the people subscribing to his observation on the hands for giving Raz what i feel is too much leash for his actions around his claim. Therby saving him from me having to pursue him or other people over it.

But the action of going down a faulty path isn't what you undermined, but rather, the perceived conclusion of Raziek being town. Or, more precisely, leaning town. The tone of the post makes this clear... "yeah, because scum can't do that "

You were diving in not based on the poor logic that led to a conclusion but on the alignment-related conclusion itself. This implies -- quite accidentally, but implies just the same -- to me that you may know more about alignments than you let on -- for better or for worse.

Incorrect, I was "diving in" based on people giving Raz what from my perspective is too much credit fro his actions.

Which infers that i don't like people doing that sort of thing, which I don't.

Why is the fact that it was your other half only coming up now, after I've needled you? It would have been just as acceptable when I first started questioning you about that particular statement, and much more timely too. Instead you answered my questions (which were clearly asked of the poster, not to the general hydra) until they became stiffer.

This makes it feel more like an excuse.

Or you know, Orbo tried to give you an answer based on what he understood , and ended up not fully understanding my intentions.

A conclusion PJB apparently wasn't making, but nonetheless, the perceived conclusion on PJB's part that was leaning toward town for Raziek.

Although one would not be wrong to attack this logic, it seems to me that FML's impulse to attack it came not from the logic itself but the alignment-based conclusion he drew. And now he has tried to handwave the questioning to the Other Half. Very, very interesting.

If orbo wanted to handwave it , he could have just stopped responding entirely and said: I'll let Rake get back to you, but instead he gave you his thoughts and what he thought my purpose was, which is much more interesting.

MFW Orbo starts answering questions he should have just left for me and i have to come in here and try to straighten it out

So much this.

 

[Detective Prince.]

And yet, you don't tell me how the similarities of defending Asdioh while he was being 'enthusiastic' is the same as you being enthusiastic, even after I just pointed out the difference.

 

[Detective Prince.]

EBWOP: Answer my questions. Don't cookie cutter.

 

[Kantrip]

I think you're having communication issues in this game. Either you lost touch with the English language or you're trying too hard still, because I totally didn't get that you wanted me to explain that.

Asdioh made a case off of me based on speculation of Red Ryu's death after his RVS vote on me. Not only is that overly ambitious, but it's also silly and full of reachy logic. Never did I say you were defending Asdioh, but I see it as a direct contradiction that you say you like Asdioh and dislike me (you say it's not meta, and this is a big point here). I really don't feel like bickering on, so if you have more legitimate questions for me could you spell them out in plain english?

 

[Kantrip]

Like are you ****ing kidding me? "Answer my questions."?!?!? You haven't been asking questions, you've been being a little **** and I'm not going to submit myself to it.

I implore others to look at Detective Prince's scummy *** and join me on his lynch. I'm out for now.

 

[Detective Prince.]

...And I explained why it's different.

Asdioh comes off as genuine and his need to post a wall about something so trivial (and apologize) is typical Asdioh. I would think as scum he wouldn't bother his time with something like that, let alone step on his own toes and try to condense a mini-case against you because RR said 'gotcha scummer.' He's just a town trying to get his bearings again, even if his logic might be off.

You're not Asdioh. You are not the same people. You did not do the same things. Perhaps instead of being aggressive towards me, you should tell me why my read on Asdioh is wrong.

 

[.L-]

Or you know, Orbo tried to give you an answer based on what he understood , and ended up not fully understanding my intentions.

aaaaannnnnnndddddddddd..... this changes what, exactly, about the fact that he "tried to give [me] an answer" for a while prior to giving up and dropping the "wasn't me lol".

He doesn't do it initially, he does it after I question him, and only as the questioning becomes sharper.

Unsurprisingly (after this long, and from your side) your answers are much better, but this one is a strawman. Your representation of the nature of my objections with Orbo is dishonest; my intitial screwing was just to see if I could get a read, the sudden copout (again, not at the start when it would have been perfectly understandable but after he realizes that the questioning is actually an interrogation) and subsequent disappearance on the other hand are quite scummy.

 

[Detective Prince.]

I'm dissapointed Kantrip decides to just leave the thread instead of answering me. Maybe he'll be back to overreact to everything like usual.

Until then.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

aaaaannnnnnndddddddddd..... this changes what, exactly, about the fact that he "tried to give [me] an answer" for a while prior to giving up and dropping the "wasn't me lol".

He doesn't do it initially, he does it after I question him, and only as the questioning becomes sharper.

Unsurprisingly (after this long, and from your side) your answers are much better, but this one is a strawman. Your representation of the nature of my objections with Orbo is dishonest; my intitial screwing was just to see if I could get a read, the sudden copout (again, not at the start when it would have been perfectly understandable but after he realizes that the questioning is actually an interrogation) and subsequent disappearance on the other hand are quite scummy.

It wasn't my intention to strawman your arguement, i just know Orbo legitimately felt like he could read my intentions(which i hadn't gone into great detail with him on yet) , and he ended up not doing such a great job of it (no offence Orbo), which along with rl stuff iirc made him leave.

I don't believe Orbo intended it for it to be a total cop out, he probably just realized(belatedly) that attempting to spell out my reasons for doing something was something he should have avoided in the first place.


As an aside, who are you favoring between Soup v Kantrip ? If any

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Damn.
EBWOP:
*Detective Prince V Kantrip

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Gheb: Are DP (ew)'s current moves increasing or decreasing your skepticism of him?

Increasing. More content tomorrow.

 

[asianaussie]

It actually wasn't undermining the conclusion. I was merely poking PJB and his observation with the fact that scum too can easily come out and claim their actual roles, in order to gain points or what have you, in fact I did something similar in a ongoing game. (I was scum, and outed my role to seem like i was open). It was also a slight jab at the people who are deciding to , no matter how seriously go: Well i like the way Raz did that, so town lean. It's something I disagree with, Orbi liked how he did it , it was meh for me.

cool beans

The purpose was to lightly slap PJB's observation and by extension the people subscribing to his observation on the hands for giving Raz what i feel is too much leash for his actions around his claim. Therby saving him from me having to pursue him or other people over it.

i take it you read raz as a resounding null?

more importantly FML, opinions on the kantrip/DP thing currently ongoing?

You're not Asdioh. You are not the same people. You did not do the same things. Perhaps instead of being aggressive towards me, you should tell me why my read on Asdioh is wrong.

dont make requests others cant fulfill

i get that you dont like kantrip being all jumpy and enthusiastic and things but you're currently going back and forth using the following

kantrip scum lean: too enthusiastic
asdioh town lean: i get towny meta vibes, he's genuine

no comment on the above players atm, but even for meta this doesn't ring right to me

How can you dislike me, yet dislike FML also? You think your read on them was wrong? Your vote on them earlier seemed pretty strong.

also dont like this

also @people who haven't talked much: talk please - who has the strongest town vibes at the moment? do you think FML and detective prince could co-exist as scum?

no votes yet, im going out for some cardgames so hopefully there will be things to point at when i get back

 

[asianaussie]

I'm dissapointed Kantrip decides to just leave the thread instead of answering me. Maybe he'll be back to overreact to everything like usual.

Until then.

let's be honest, it's not hard to overreact to your posts if you have even the slightest case of english nazi-ism (for lack of a better term)

stop crucifying him based on this

 

[Detective Prince.]

They're different players..They act differently. Do you all seriously just think I'm speaking in a second language?

 

[asianaussie]

you are basically writing kantrip and asdioh off as scum/town reads for what is essentially the same type of behaviour, then using asdioh meta to justify it - as someone who has no knowledge of either player's habits, im not going to blindly trust that

tell me why my read on Asdioh is wrong.

is this rhetorical? do you actually expect him to respond to this?