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G&W does just fine thank you ;DG&W is a joke vs TL. The only thing you have to worry about from him are bair and dsmash. Even then, your spacing is II gud.
Makes TL look like a joke? And just exactly what good players have you played? Everyone else is just their problem?This thread makes TL look like a joke.
Olimar, Wolf, Marth(?).
Everyone else is just your problem. (and I personally have no problem with Wolf or Marth.)
and GaW just ***** everybody.
True, I haven't played that many good people.Makes TL look like a joke? And just exactly what good players have you played? Everyone else is just their problem?
Good Metaknight will **** you. Good Marth will **** you. Good Zelda will **** you. Learn your matchups buddy.
main: LucarioWho is it hard for toon link to beat?
I'd probably go with you... but to be honest ANY good Olimar is tricky to beat, unless you're using his counters, which I forgot. But anyway, as for Wolf, I'd go with him because of his down special. That one move only is what can deal a lot of annoyance to TL, especially since it now only gives him invincibility frames but reflects attacks as well.1. a good olimar
2. wolf
3. another toon link or link
1. a good olimar will usually be pretty tricky to fight ( due to the pikmin. )
2. wolf is fast and very hard to hit
3. another toon link would also be hard to fight because they have the same moves
Yea... I realize how you could have been mistaken. I'm going to edit the numbers out of my post so other people don't get confused.I agree but i think Olimar is #1. One of my friends plays him, and I often have a hard time. Olimars smashes own the ground, and his aerials are brutal as well. And reflectors are easily overcomable if your projectiles aren't as predictable as heck. Wolf is somewhat hard, but most of your aerials **** him hard.
Nevermind on Olimar being #1. I just realized that it said in no particular order. XD
Toon Link's worst match-ups: (no particular order btw)
~ ROB
Rob outprioritizes TL, outranges TL, can outspam TL, his air game beats yours, his recovery beats yours, etc. etc.
ROB can certainly beat you close range with his Dsmash, and if the ROB has any knowledge of spacing, he can pound you with f-tilts and d-tilts to keep you at bay. His top can stop ground approaches, as well as block your boomerang and grounded arrows. His laser comes out faster, and out-prioritizes and projectile TL has. He can chase you off the stage with almost no risk of punishment. ROB spits on TL's edge game. ROB can survive a dair spike.
To sum it up, ROB beats you in any and every situation (on the ground, in the air, on the edge, long range, close range, you name it he beats you.
~ MetaKnight
I'm not even really gonna put much here. MK is a hard match up for any character, imo. His speed makes spamming easy to punish. He can gimp you when you are off the edge. His recovery is great (MK can also survive a Dair spike. If he is at low percent, and meteor cancels, he can survive Dair 2-3 times on some stages). MK is jsut really fast, and has jsut a little bit more range than TL that makes him a really hard match-up.
~ Olimar
Olimar is the king of spammage. He can jsut chill and throw pikmin all day. Once you are stuck with a pikmin, you can't throw bombs. I'm pretty sure you can Dair off of the pikmin when they are stuck at you, which can lead into some mindgames, but most Olimar's won't let you be that close to them for long enough for this to really happen much. Well anyways, like I was saying... He can jsut spam pikmin, and if you make a desperate foolish approach you will just run into a wall of Fsmash pikmin. His Fsmash both outranges and outprioritizes any of your ground approaches, and it is not likely you will be punishing him for trying it, either. Olimar's grab range is ludicrous, and sometimes I can't even tell he's trying to grab me because all his moves look exactly the same to me. He can kill you pretty early with his Usmash. Despite all of this, the Olimar match is not a total loss because you can gimp his recovery. The key to beating Olimar is to be patient, avoid his pikmin spammage by taking advantage of your agility, use your edge game to your advantage, and try to get Olimar off the stage and knock him farther with a fair or, more practically, a nair.
~ Snake
I think everyone knows what I'm talking about. Snake doesn't have anything particular on TL, but he is jsut generally a great character. While you beat Snake in the projectile spammage game, he can easily approach you with a mortar slide. Snake can rack up damage VERY fast if you are not careful, which is not a good think cuz he can get early kills. His recovery is very good. I know that you can gimp his recovery with the 'grabbing the cypher' trick, but to be honest, a good snake will RARELY fall into this. Snake is not that hard in my opinion. I think it is overall an even match-up, but it is one of TL's harder ones I suppose.
~ Zelda
She can outspam you, reflect your projectiles, and her moves have massive priority. For instance, if you tried to Dair her, she can hit you out of it with an u-air or an U-smash. She has pretty good recovery, but you will be getting kills around average percents with U-smash so no worries. You can gimp her if you get her under the stage, but other than that you probably won't be gimping her. Another thing that works to Zelda's advantage is the small amount of players that use her. All in all, TL should win this match, but it is one of the trickier ones.
~ Wolf
His laser spammage works well against TL. Fsmash is a good approach. He can sometimes be hard to kill, and can kill you early if you don't watch your back. I think a lot of TLs have trouble with this match up because they don't have the necessary patience to get past the laser spammage, and fall into Fsmashes (which become VERY predictable). TL should win this one because you can gimp wolf due to his mediocre recovery, and you destroy his airgame and can combo him into hell. I don't have trouble with this match-up, but I thought it deserved a spot because I always read about TLs complaining about this one.
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ROB, MK, and Olimar are definetly TL's hardest match-ups in my experience. I thought Snake, Zelda and Wolf deserved mentioning b/c, although I think the matches are even, and possibly leaning to TL's favor in the case of Zelda and Wolf, they can be tricky match-ups. Oh yeah... Another TL is also a hard match. It all boils down to who is the better player in that situation I suppose.
that's what wolfs noobs and those who play online do.I have the most trouble with metaknight and falco. especially metaknight wow i hate that thing..
Wolf players are really predictable. All they do is spam their fsmash fsmash dsmash dsmash gun gun gun back to fsmash fsmash... just shield fsmash and then punish them.