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Too Much David Bowie mafia - Endgame: A Macabre Shrine of Remains

giraffelasergun

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Vote: Kantrip

However I am also suspicious of Shish because he said "Chromfirmed," but maybe it's because I'm not huge on Chrom (Chrom's not bad per se, he's just...IDK, he just doesn't stand out to me in the FE series as a protagonist I guess). I mean, would a Townie really choose Chrom for a confirmation pun? Fire Emblem for thought.

This is definitely, 100%, a not-at-all suspicious attempt at trying to deflect attention from the GLG wagon.
Thank you for not distracting from my wagon in a 100% not obvious way.

Disfunkshunal Disfunkshunal I can't tell if you're joking or not but Chrom is a lord(main character) in Fire Emblem Awakening and is also an echo fighter of roy(? But with Ike Up B??) in ultimate. If you are joking feel free to quote this post and say "look at this jabroni that can't read sarcasm over the internet."

Fire Emblemier Fire Emblemier Would a townie use chrom as a confirmation post? Feel free to respond with this post ranking fire emblem lords in order from most townie to most scummy(don't actually do it but it could be a fun conversation anyway)
 

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Thank you for not distracting from my wagon in a 100% not obvious way.

Disfunkshunal Disfunkshunal I can't tell if you're joking or not but Chrom is a lord(main character) in Fire Emblem Awakening and is also an echo fighter of roy(? But with Ike Up B??) in ultimate. If you are joking feel free to quote this post and say "look at this jabroni that can't read sarcasm over the internet."


Him?

Look, I'm sure wrong is a great lord but it would be chrom for us to focus on that instead of this game.
 

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Thank you for not distracting from my wagon in a 100% not obvious way.

Disfunkshunal Disfunkshunal I can't tell if you're joking or not but Chrom is a lord(main character) in Fire Emblem Awakening and is also an echo fighter of roy(? But with Ike Up B??) in ultimate. If you are joking feel free to quote this post and say "look at this jabroni that can't read sarcasm over the internet."

Fire Emblemier Fire Emblemier Would a townie use chrom as a confirmation post? Feel free to respond with this post ranking fire emblem lords in order from most townie to most scummy(don't actually do it but it could be a fun conversation anyway)
TOWN
Eliwood
Marth
Roy
Leif
Lyndis
Celica
Ike
Eirika
Alm
Seliph
Lucina
Ephraim
Chrom
Sigurd
Micaiah
Hector
Sorry I had to.
 

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Oh, I forgot Corrin. Probably cause that hydra is sooo inactive. I'm leaning mafia though because of that :p

Anyways, I was looking at the set up, theory crafting and we basically win day 1 if we lynch the SK. Its a 1/8 chance, so basically a shot in the dark.
Our next most likely chance of winning is if on n1 we bingo the sk. Doesn't matter who is lynched or killed as if a townie is lynched and another nk'd we still have the majority no matter what. 5-3 townies versus to 2-0 mafia and a SK.
This also means mafia can only win at its earliest D3. D4 if a goon dies.
Overall this makes me feel the gameplan is to hunt the SK first and foremost. If on d2 we mislynch we must lynch the mafia d3 even if the agent gets a sk bingo. Cause we would lose since mafia would be the majority.
 
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Wouldn't lynching the SK just turn this into a Nightless Town vs Mafia?
 

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I didn't even know this was a thing LOL would've signed up for it if I had

I don't think anyone's going to be replaced in this game but put me down as a replacement anyways
 

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Hello there fellow Bowies, I too am one of you and like to play the gee-tar and dress up as a transexual alien from mars, boy howdy wasn't that amazing when we all played that song about an army guy named Tom who went to the moon? what a crazy idea

Don't mind me I'm just going to be injecting this opium from the Chinas like you, I mean like us fellas like to do
 

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I really wish those paragraphs written about me were serious cause I've been peeking back in every couple of hours and we're still in that awkward RVS phase which sucks

At least i have a gut town read on shish for shallow reasons
 

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Hello there fellow Bowies, I too am one of you and like to play the gee-tar and dress up as a transexual alien from mars, boy howdy wasn't that amazing when we all played that song about an army guy named Tom who went to the moon? what a crazy idea

Don't mind me I'm just going to be injecting this opium from the Chinas like you, I mean like us fellas like to do
Hate to be draconian mod guy, but no talking about drugs pls.
 

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Alright, I'll bite.

What makes you think Shish is Town?
Tone read, but to egostroke my tone reads are usually pretty good. In terms of why I dunno he just seems more relaxed even if that could be misinterpreted with there being no tension cuz RVS
 

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Re the Serial Killer Talk: Getting the SK first is probably better because even if we lynch mafia day one and two day 3 is a 4 man mylo which is scary. But also, I'm not sure if there's really a way to hunt sk vs mafia that isn't just lynch who seems scummy.

I too also want to get out of RVS but I'm not sure how. I'm heading off to a halloween party in a second so this will probably be my last post until tomorrow.
 

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I don't know if I want to vote soup because he's literally asking for it, GLG to spite Bardull for trying to distract from his wagon, or just OMGUS vote Bardull because he's already on to me.
 

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Please tell me the flavor for the SK is a Bowie Knife!
Re the Serial Killer Talk: Getting the SK first is probably better because even if we lynch mafia day one and two day 3 is a 4 man mylo which is scary. But also, I'm not sure if there's really a way to hunt sk vs mafia that isn't just lynch who seems scummy.

I too also want to get out of RVS but I'm not sure how. I'm heading off to a halloween party in a second so this will probably be my last post until tomorrow.
I agree that the SK should take priority in searching. Especially because if we lynch'em early we no longer have to worry about nks
 

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Please tell me the flavor for the SK is a Bowie Knife!

I agree that the SK should take priority in searching. Especially because if we lynch'em early we no longer have to worry about nks
Nice try, I bet you're the SK saying this to make it look like you don't already know the flavour!

that is pretty funny though

Vote: Fire
 

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Tone read, but to egostroke my tone reads are usually pretty good. In terms of why I dunno he just seems more relaxed even if that could be misinterpreted with there being no tension cuz RVS
I think it's too early to say, but I won't outright dismiss your opinion. Based on what I know of the previous game Shish was in, Moydow instructed him to "Shish post" more often, so maybe he's taken that advice to this game? I know, wine is wine, but I have trust issues. I don't have any real problem with him so far though. I'd rather hear more substance before making a decision. Maybe others feel differently.

Regarding SK/Goon hunting:

We should be hunting for scum and not thinking about going specifically for one or the other. The SK is definitely a priority in a sense because he's double-edged and could potentially lessen the amount of mislynches the Town has; they are the only ones that can kill, but they do have the potential to kill Mafia. I don't think this really needs much further discussion.

Oh yeah, at midday, we should all give our cop targets.
 

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Though there is still merit in getting rid of the mafia early as if the Agent stays alive long enough, by endgame in GLG's proposed no mafia scenario we could have cleared townies or even bingo'd sk
 

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Current vote count (as of post #60):
  • Shishœ: 1 (giraffelasergun)
  • giraffelasergun: 2 (Shishœ, #HBC | ѕoup)
  • Kantrip: 1 (BarDulL)
  • BarDulL: 1 (Maven89)
  • Fire Emblemier: 1 (Kantrip)

Not currently voting: Disfunkshunal, Fire Emblemier

41 hours remain in this phase.
Majority lynch begins in 17 hours. With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
 

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That being said I'm not really thinking too hard about who we should be hitting, I've said it before and I'll say it again but scum is scum to me and that's all that matters lol

The problem is nobody is yet pinging me as scum
 

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I agree about scumhunting; there isn't really a difference between looking for SK or mafia unless we lynch one mafia member and connections become involved. Until that happens, scum is scum.

I don't know if I like sharing FBI agent targets because it'll introduce WIFOM:
1. If someone picks the SK, the SK can kill them
2. If no one picks the SK, the SK can frame someone by killing the person who picked that person
 

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I don't know if I like sharing FBI agent targets because it'll introduce WIFOM:
1. If someone picks the SK, the SK can kill them
2. If no one picks the SK, the SK can frame someone by killing the person who picked that person
Now that's some big brain thinking.

Do you think there's merit in scum cc'ing the agent?
 

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I don't know if I like sharing FBI agent targets because it'll introduce WIFOM:
1. If someone picks the SK, the SK can kill them
2. If no one picks the SK, the SK can frame someone by killing the person who picked that person
I think cop targets are great. It's one additional layer of decision making that gets people to commit with opinions as well as why they think the way they do. I wouldn't try to dig much more deeper into it than that. It might also help the cop determine who they should investigate.
 

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I think cop targets are great. It's one additional layer of decision making that gets people to commit with opinions as well as why they think the way they do. I wouldn't try to dig much more deeper into it than that. It might also help the cop determine who they should investigate.
I understand the benefits and I like getting people to commit with opinions, I'm just worried about the FBI Agent putting him/herself at risk.

Although I suppose the real FBI Agent could say someone different than who they're actually picking.
 

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Either really. Just clarify who is cc'ing in your example
I'm not talking about a CC situation. I'm entertaining Bardull's idea where everyone shares their cop target in thread. I'm worried it could lead to the real FBI Agent dying if they were planning to investigate the SK and say so in-thread, prompting the SK to kill them.
 

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Yeah, I agree there's fundamentally no purpose to everyone listing who they feel the FBI Agent should check. In terms of CC's happening I don't really feel that would happen and this talk going on right now is eerily reminding me of something I'd hear on Epicmafia
 

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I think the chance of the FBI agent dying tonight as a result of picking a cop target is pretty low. Maybe I'm just being a goose, but if the FBI agent is killed directly as a result of the FBI agent accidentally picking the SK, wouldn't that put the SK in a position of detriment because they look suspicious? Wouldn't the SK not want to target the FBI agent in this case?

I mean, bottom line is that I think this is an extreme example and I think there are more pros than cons. If we have the FBI Agent out their target, perhaps this can also work as a trail for us to follow in the event that they die.
 

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I.E.:

It's D3, FBI Agent died N2, FBI Agent didn't pursue their N1 target on D2, therefore we can assume that their target was not the SK?
 

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Play it by ear imo, I often feel strategizing this early without info just turns into theorycrafting which detracts from the main purpose of hunting scum
 

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I think the chance of the FBI agent dying tonight as a result of picking a cop target is pretty low. Maybe I'm just being a goose, but if the FBI agent is killed directly as a result of the FBI agent accidentally picking the SK, wouldn't that put the SK in a position of detriment because they look suspicious? Wouldn't the SK not want to target the FBI agent in this case?

I mean, bottom line is that I think this is an extreme example and I think there are more pros than cons. If we have the FBI Agent out their target, perhaps this can also work as a trail for us to follow in the event that they die.
Which brings me to my second point, hence the WIFOM.

The SK can also kill someone to incriminate the person their target chose as their cop pick.

Maybe I'm being paranoid but I just think it's better not to talk about FBI Agent stuff at all for the same reason rolefishing is bad and try to maximize their chances of staying alive until they get a bingo.
 

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I like everyone who has posted so far except Maven because he broke the rules and made a mod have to warn him which is super scummy. I'd move my vote to him if I hadn't already caught the SK in Fire. I agree with soup's gut feel on Shish.
 

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I don't see how everyone suggesting who they'd cop is any different than people suggesting who they'd doc/cop/kill as seen in other games. As far as I'm concerned, it's a simplified, flavor-filled read list. That said, I do agree that generating leads by comparing who died to everyone's scum choice isn't entirely useful.
 

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It's D3, FBI Agent died N2, FBI Agent didn't pursue their N1 target on D2, therefore we can assume that their target was not the SK?
Oh this has merit actually.

This way we can clear people of being the SK if the FBI Agent dies before outing results. You may have changed my mind.
 

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I don't see how everyone suggesting who they'd cop is any different than people suggesting who they'd doc/cop/kill as seen in other games. As far as I'm concerned, it's a simplified, flavor-filled read list. That said, I do agree that generating leads by comparing who died to everyone's scum choice isn't entirely useful.
Basically the argument is that introducing FBI Agent targets could result in having a harder time analyzing the night kill selection as a result of the WIFOM that comes into play.

In my opinion though, I don't think it will affect NK selection much, and Town stands to gain more than it potentially loses; the SK knows that the chance of hitting the target they want to hit can't really be determined through FBI targets alone, and them taking the chance to attack someone that has selected them as a NK target could result in their demise if they try to play with WIFOM.

On the flip side of things, Town knows that they can't establish what the kill was based on FBI agent selection. Likely, the Town will analyze game play, opinions, and why people are coming to the decisions that they're making, in order to determine the appropriate lynch. The FBI agent selection I feel adds an additional layer of discussion that could be beneficial for scum hunting.

I don't mind doing a round of Cop/Doc/Kill instead though if that's what people prefer, lol. Basically the same thing without the added bonus of being able to follow the trail of the FBI Agent if he dies.
 
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