I was bragging a little. I talk about that game every time someone brings up mafia.
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I mean you can get the info anyway ya want. I'm just going to take note of it, and even possibly judge the intention behind said method.Rockin, how else do you suggest we get info? We have at least some discussion going on now.
I misread on the rule heavily. Sorry D:VOTE: ROCKIN
He misspelled SB and broke the rules to edit it.
Not asking for the rest of the D1 period, just for now. Asking questions is fine, but it'll do little good if there isn't enough infos from the other's prespective to get a read on how they feel about things. Day's not going anywhere and the game just started.I'd really rather not take a backseat, if you don't mind Rockin. We only have 72 hours, and while things are slow at work, I'd like to ask as many questions as possible.
We need to start some discussion or Mafia won't have any opportunities to make mistakes.
If you're pro-town, you should be trying to discuss things, not delay discussion.
I find the wording of the quoted sections interesting. They all seem very carefully worded to strongly delineate between SB and "scum".Hesitancy, lurking, inactivity etc all benefit scum too much.
I was trying to ask if there was a way to tag people without manually typing the USER=##### bit, but part of my message got interpreted as forum code and disappeared.Also, is there an easier way to tag people than manually typing out the bit? Feels like there must be, but I didn't see it.
Oh you can do @ then the letters of their name, and usually a drop down will appear with each letter. You can click the relevant user and it auto fills.I was trying to ask if there was a way to tag people without manually typing the USER=##### bit, but part of my message got interpreted as forum code and disappeared.
Here's one Rockin : you say that you have Strong Bad as not scummy, but you say you'd be fine with myself being lynched.
What is your clear, defined read on myself and Strong Bad? What differentiates between the two players? What is your read on <pi?
You're right, that was definitely kind of rude on my part. My apologies to <piCalling someone inexperienced at mafia/scum is rude on both accounts, in a way.
This is even more insulting than when --- said I like strawberry.EDIT: (had to fix strongbad's name. called him strongbag by accident LOOL)
I'd say that the 2nd quote you quoted was rather aggressive and lines up with how you describe it, but the others are just me trying to promote discussion. I don't know how you all play so from a game theory standpoint I want to make sure everyone knows that discussion helps out the town. "Inactivity benefits scum" -> please be active, it wasn't necessarily trying to paint inactivity as scummy but rather that inactivity of a lot of folks including townies is harmful to town. If someone is super inactive for like the ENTIRE DAY PHASE then that'd be cause for concern but putting pressure on someone to be more active != calling them out as scummy IMOI find the wording of the quoted sections interesting. They all seem very carefully worded to strongly delineate between SB and "scum".
Strong Badam , is that something you're doing intentionally, or is it subconscious? It seems pretty unusual to me from the mafia games I remember playing.
OK, I answered Medi's post. I don't have good reads on anyone at the moment, but my read on lessthanpi's lines up with yours. It's a lot of weird stuff, like huge concern over someone having 2 votes on them, friction to RVS conceptually, bringing up the 7/9 chance to hit town, then quietly agreeing that we should eventually lynch after being called out on that.SB, what's your reads so far?
My current detailed reads are more or less null on everyone minus Pi, where his game-as-mafia bragging felt super weird. However, I'd love to see your answer to Medi's points from earlier, re: the posts from you.
Honestly, it just made me slightly more suspicious. I appreciated the detail you gave, but I would have also appreciated a more direct, yes/no answer to my question of whether you were intentionally wording your posts to try to delineate between "Strong Bad" and "scum".Was that satisfactory?
Any particular reason for the Pythag and --- lean?OK, I answered Medi's post. I don't have good reads on anyone at the moment, but my read on lessthanpi's lines up with yours. It's a lot of weird stuff, like huge concern over someone having 2 votes on them, friction to RVS conceptually, bringing up the 7/9 chance to hit town, then quietly agreeing that we should eventually lynch after being called out on that.
I have weak scum reads on Pythag and --- but they aren't heavily substantiated at the moment.
I don't have a read on you yet, I think your behavior isn't necessarily towny or scum. Guess if I had to put a lean on it, it would be town.
I'll be real here and say that I may be a bit bias towards SB so far; I have them as null, but their agreeing with my posts may be making me much more lenient on their material. I directly pushed someone as scum last game for similar reasons to what you have here, Medi.Thanks for the explanation, Lore .
Honestly, it just made me slightly more suspicious. I appreciated the detail you gave, but I would have also appreciated a more direct, yes/no answer to my question of whether you were intentionally wording your posts to try to delineate between "Strong Bad" and "scum".
That said, I don't think I've ever played with you, so I'm open to the idea that I'm just totally misreading your post/play style.
You're right. So what information do you suggest we discuss? Do you see any?I hear of discussion and whatnot, but all I see are just light wifom at metagaming and baseless votes.
Discussing INFORMATIVE information (or at least, as informative as it gets)rapidly is crucial to town. Rapid discussions with little to no base/value can lead to mislynches and possible lack of info to go on for the next upcoming Days, and I rather we take as much time as need to calmly discuss who we want to lynch and why.
I think you're allowed to be hesitant if you'd be putting someone at 3+ votes. That could easily be bandwagonned, and people taken out. Throwing a vote, and potentially even two, isn't exactly a call to alarm for me, especially on D1. You seem to want discussion without action.How does "hesitancy" equate to scum behavior? I'm genuinely curious.
I feel like the opposite is true; rushing to vote people off without getting feelers out seems like a waste of a day for us, even day one.
We want to get as much evidence out of the day as possible. With a 7 in 9 chance of hitting town I guarantee you mafia won't get voted out day one. Good mafia players are going to try and steer any true threats of being voted out early. I feel like if we pay attention and don't just bandwagon on votes we might be able to see those connections more clearly.
What can I say. I like Vanilla.--- wagon has no substance but got the ball rolling on reactions, as intended.
So far it seems the votes have been mostly to stimulate discussion more than anything. With that in mind though, I don't think on day 1, that someone at 3 votes has to worry too much of being bandwaggoned. If something like that happens it would be pretty telling as to who all jumped on and when.I think you're allowed to be hesitant if you'd be putting someone at 3+ votes. That could easily be bandwagonned, and people taken out. Throwing a vote, and potentially even two, isn't exactly a call to alarm for me, especially on D1. You seem to want discussion without action.
Hah, fair enough. Maybe this is a better way to phrase it: Is there a current standard in mafia these days for D1? I know no-lynch was always seen as terrible. Days are much shorter than when I was playing in the past, so harder to wait for something big to occur.If it comes to a close without good conclusion, as in a No Lynch or a lynch without much discussion/info/reads attached? I'll be frustrated. It's why I keep pushing people to say their reads, even in this low-info scenario that we are currently in.
I'm not sure on the current trend, having only played one "modern" game. No Lynch is definitely terrible just from sheer game theory and logic, though.Hah, fair enough. Maybe this is a better way to phrase it: Is there a current standard in mafia these days for D1? I know no-lynch was always seen as terrible. Days are much shorter than when I was playing in the past, so harder to wait for something big to occur.
@ <π I'm in agreement with others in that player meta info doesn't help much. Were you simply looking for a way to spark discussion or looking at ways to get larger reads on people?
I didn't see any at the time of my first few posts, but I believe we got stuff to work with.You're right. So what information do you suggest we discuss? Do you see any?
I don't think anyone is arguing we need to rush through the day for a lynch. I think there's just an incredible lack of information that's even available on D1, so to posit this argument strikes me as empty. Of course we want to discuss informative information. Perhaps this is more and admission on how bad I am at the game, but I certainly don't have any information at this time.
I would also like your explanation behind this as well, seeing as you're keen to keeping your vote on me.Which is why I have to call out Rockin's comment to tell people to pull back for a bit. I feel like people being more active and constantly prodding for information is a good thing for this game. Just something I noticed.
Can one really say that you two have been active? can one say ya been active for good reason early on?Actually **** it, let's go with a vote in that direction out of frustration.
Unvote, Vote: Rockin
In hindsight, wanting the two most active players to "take a backseat" was super weird, especially while pushing to get more info at the same time. Wouldn't you want players to be more active, to get info on them specifically?
OR. OR.Also I'm assuming <pi's Rockin vote is a joke one, and since I legitimately want to vote for Rockin here, I'd recommend <pi to remove their vote since it's no longer a joke wagon.
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