TOASTYYYYYYYYY! Scorpion for Smash!

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It hasn't, so it wont.
That is not a very useful argument.
Is there something in the games ratings (across countries) that prevent it?
Nothing happens until it does.
There was not really reason for blood to happen before.
Now, there arguably is, again- its part of the legacy of Mortal Kombat.

Uh, yeah, there is. The game is rated e10+. They want it as kid-friendly as possible. It's for all ages. This isn't rocket science either. Sakurai has multiple characters toned down to keep it as friendly as possible, and even some stuff pushes boundaries to some degree.

Besides that, Mortal Kombat is banned in Japan for all its blood and gore. Sakurai isn't going to be able to remotely get it under a possible rating for DLC alone unless it's heavily toned down. The legacy won't matter in this case. It has to sell in all regions. And blood is not going to fit in a more party-like fighter where everything is at best sparks. And skeletons with electricity. There's only so much he'll allow. Even Joker's realistic gun has literal laser-like sparks instead of literal bullets(though that fits the Persona verse better), so luckily it was easy to tone down that bit to begin with and feel fitting.

We already know blood nor gore is required to make the characters work. Mortal Kombat has had crossovers and media where it focuses on still being heavily violent without the gore/blood, and still works well enough to get the point across. The immensely strong hits(not unlike what Ridley can do) is the thing that makes MK feel great. That still is violent enough to fit, without breaking the ratings. Having stuff like blood would already put it in T for Teen, which is too high for the game's e10+ rating. Which is why it won't happen whatsoever.

There's no arguable reason to bump the game's rating up when the violence without the blood/gore is still workable. It's not like Scorpion can't do immensely strong hits or still hit the opponent with the spear(blood isn't necessary. He's still impaling them. It's not hard to just have them act like it's extremely painful like with other attacks to get the point across). We already have similar moves with the Hookshot, it's just not treated like a majorly painful attack to be hit by. Meanwhile Smash attacks, Ridley's Down B, and more still give this effect.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Uh, yeah, there is. The game is rated e10+. They want it as kid-friendly as possible. It's for all ages. This isn't rocket science either. Sakurai has multiple characters toned down to keep it as friendly as possible, and even some stuff pushes boundaries to some degree.

As far as ESRB, DLC is rated differently. Which is in part why I was asking if there was a reason that it couldnt be added.

Besides that, Mortal Kombat is banned in Japan for all its blood and gore. Sakurai isn't going to be able to remotely get it under a possible rating for DLC alone unless it's heavily toned down.

See, this is for what I was asking. If this is legitimate, this actually answers my question with fact, not opinion.

We already know blood nor gore is required to make the characters work. Mortal Kombat has had crossovers and media where it focuses on still being heavily violent without the gore/blood, and still works well enough to get the point across. The immensely strong hits(not unlike what Ridley can do) is the thing that makes MK feel great. That still is violent enough to fit, without breaking the ratings. Having stuff like blood would already put it in T for Teen, which is too high for the game's e10+ rating. Which is why it won't happen whatsoever.

I never said required- I just said the gore is part of the MK legacy, and part of what initially helped it to stand out as a franchise. I just want Scorpion to feel like Scorpion. No, blood is not necessary.
But honestly, if Mortal Kombat is actually banned in Japan, theres absolutely no way we are getting an MK character at all.
I'm gonna do some research here, because if that statement is true, I'd think it would have been more known. If it is true, then none of these conversations seem relevant at all.

EDIT:
Light research seems to show MK is banned in Australia, Germany, South Korea, Japan, and more.
Absolutely no possibility can I see for MK in this game.
Why is this not the top of the subject? This is a serious deal.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

As far as ESRB, DLC is rated differently. Which is in part why I was asking if there was a reason that it couldnt be added.

It actually isn't. It has to fit under the game's main rating or be toned down. This is something important that affected Bayonetta, and why she falls under the e10+ rating.

I never said required- I just said the gore is part of the MK legacy, and part of what initially helped it to stand out as a franchise. I just want Scorpion to feel like Scorpion. No, blood is not necessary.
But honestly, if Mortal Kombat is actually banned in Japan, theres absolutely no way we are getting an MK character at all.
I'm gonna do some research here, because if that statement is true, I'd think it would have been more known. If it is true, then none of these conversations seem relevant at all.

This makes the character less likely, but hardly impossible. We already know Sakurai will sacrifice accuracy if it makes the character work better. This is especially true as the Persona in Smash itself works way differently from the games. It's not Meter-based in any way. Liberties have always been taken where necessary. Ganondorf getting in while not resembling his entire array of OOT abilities is just one example(though the fact he's all about power is probably why he was willing to do it, knowing it still is somewhat faithful). Lucina actually does not play like Marth in the games, she just poses as him. Pichu doesn't specifically hurt himself in games so much as have bad control of his abilities. I could go on.

EDIT:
Light research seems to show MK is banned in Australia, Germany, South Korea, Japan, and more.
Absolutely no possibility can I see for MK in this game.
Why is this not the top of the subject? This is a serious deal.

Because the characters can still get in and be toned down. Only the main games are banned due to blood and gore. Stuff like MK VS DC Universe isn't because it's toned down enough to be allowed. So it's workable entirely.

 

[pupNapoleon]

This makes the character less likely, but hardly impossible. We already know Sakurai will sacrifice accuracy if it makes the character work better. This is especially true as the Persona in Smash itself works way differently from the games. It's not Meter-based in any way. Liberties have always been taken where necessary. Ganondorf getting in while not resembling his entire array of OOT abilities is just one example(though the fact he's all about power is probably why he was willing to do it, knowing it still is somewhat faithful). Lucina actually does not play like Marth in the games, she just poses as him. Pichu doesn't specifically hurt himself in games so much as have bad control of his abilities. I could go on.


Because the characters can still get in and be toned down. Only the main games are banned due to blood and gore. Stuff like MK VS DC Universe isn't because it's toned down enough to be allowed. So it's workable entirely.

Again- you can feel this way, and I suppose others will too.
But I cannot see a world where Sakurai, a man of respect and honor, to himself, his work, and his culture, would allow a character in this game that is banned from his own country.

I'm bummed.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Again- you can feel this way, and I suppose others will too.
But I cannot see a world where Sakurai, a man of respect and honor, to himself, his work, and his culture, would allow a character in this game that is banned from his own country.

I'm bummed.

Scorpion's in MK VS DC Universe, a game not banned in Japan. So that's not nearly as true as you are making it. Most of the franchise is, understandably so.

But that doesn't mean much, since that has nothing to do with choosing characters. Nintendo is another story. They might forego the option. Sakurai doesn't care about stuff like that as is. He wants icons. He isn't going to let silly stuff like that stop him. Especially since he can easily be reasonably true to MK characters without blood and gore. There's more to them than that, after all. That's what put MK on the map, but isn't the entire reason why these characters are memorable. Their designs, abilities, catchphrases, and being worked into unique games/crossovers also play a role in determining how workable they are.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Scorpion's in MK VS DC Universe, a game not banned in Japan. So that's not nearly as true as you are making it. Most of the franchise is, understandably so.

But that doesn't mean much, since that has nothing to do with choosing characters. Nintendo is another story. They might forego the option. Sakurai doesn't care about stuff like that as is. He wants icons. He isn't going to let silly stuff like that stop him. Especially since he can easily be reasonably true to MK characters without blood and gore. There's more to them than that, after all. That's what put MK on the map, but isn't the entire reason why these characters are memorable. Their designs, abilities, catchphrases, and being worked into unique games/crossovers also play a role in determining how workable they are.

It's not that what you say is not true, its that how you interpret the facts gives you a vastly different opinion than one to which I can come.
We don't even have any western franchises in Smash- Scorpion has a ton of hurdles. Legitimately I'm pretty bummed.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It's not that what you say is not true, its that how you interpret the facts gives you a vastly different opinion than one to which I can come.
We don't even have any western franchises in Smash- Scorpion has a ton of hurdles. Legitimately I'm pretty bummed.

Actually, he had to go to Capcom USA to get Ryu and Ken, as well as the Rayman trophy(Ubisoft is a Western specific company). It's not even a struggle due to that alone. He clearly has worked with Western companies without issues. The barrier is heavily exaggerated and isn't an issue.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Actually, he had to go to Capcom USA to get Ryu and Ken, as well as the Rayman trophy(Ubisoft is a Western specific company). It's not even a struggle due to that alone. He clearly has worked with Western companies without issues. The barrier is heavily exaggerated and isn't an issue.

I mean this with the most respect and kindness, despite some of the wording:
when you (you, specifically, not in general) actually put forth information (such as MK being banned, or about Capcom USA), youre actually very informative.
I have no idea why youve been engaging me in so many of the threads and fixating on details rather than actually helping to inform these facts.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I mean this with the most respect and kindness, despite some of the wording:
when you (you, specifically, not in general) actually put forth information (such as MK being banned, or about Capcom USA), youre actually very informative.
I have no idea why youve been engaging me in so many of the threads and fixating on details rather than actually helping to inform these facts.

Details absolutely matter and are part of a conversation. I don't just throw out straight information. That's not a conversation. I'm not a walking Wikipedia. I'm an actual person.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Details absolutely matter and are part of a conversation. I don't just throw out straight information. That's not a conversation. I'm not a walking Wikipedia. I'm an actual person.

Yes, but you fixate on the details (and at least in response to me, at the cost of the actual conversation) rather than actually adding to the conversation in a noncontrary way with relevant information.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yes, but you fixate on the details (and at least in response to me, at the cost of the actual conversation) rather than actually adding to the conversation in a noncontrary way with relevant information.

I fixate on what a person says, yes. ...Cause that's how a conversation works.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I fixate on what a person says, yes. ...Cause that's how a conversation works.

You, at least in responses to me, fixate on being contrary. Which is quite frankly the opposite of moderation.

 

[Golden Icarus]

Haven’t really been able to catch up on this thread completely, but I did see a few topics that I wanted to get into a little bit.

On the topic of costumes, I personally see a klassic look being priority. And I believe that that is something both Sakurai and Ed would be in agreement with. Smash tends to favor the most iconic look, and with the tone of Smash being vastly different from that of MK, you can’t really base what Scorpion’s skin will be solely on the most recent, and darkest games. Additionally, there’s a klassic Scorpion outfit in pretty much every game. Even the most recent ones. Also, Ed Boon himself even says in this interview (at around 2:45) that his favorite outfit in all of MK11 is Scorpion’s klassic skin.

And on the topic of a Sub-Zero echo...I really don’t see it. Believe me, I want it. He’s one of my favorite characters in all of MK - easily Top 5. But I don’t know how you condense him into an echo without either stripping much of Scorpion/Sub-Zero’s identity, or by entirely redefining what an echo is. The best that I can see is a semi-clone with similar stats, similar normals, with some completely unique normals, and all unique specials. Otherwise, I don’t see it.

Anyways, those are some of my thoughts. ****ing love MK by the way. Super pumped for MK11, and I’m super happy to see how much attention Scorpion is getting in Smash speculation.

 

[Arcadenik]

I kinda want to see Mortal Kombat 1-3 on Switch eShop. Maybe Arcade Archives.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Speaking of, there was apparently another HD remaster of MK 1-3 that got cancelled. Sigh, WB.

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/blin...aster-but-it-was-cancelled-first-screenshots/

 

[UserKev]

Yeah. That's what we were told of echoes as a whole.

"Highly requested echoes." Sub Zero wouldn't be a echo of Scorpion. They have two completely different fighting aesthetics. Scorpion even wears tighter gear, bruh.

 

[MacDaddyNook]

Wow, I need to keep up. I'm gone for a few days and this thread gets pretty lively. I am enjoying the discussion and can see some good points all around.

It's not that what you say is not true, its that how you interpret the facts gives you a vastly different opinion than one to which I can come.
We don't even have any western franchises in Smash- Scorpion has a ton of hurdles. Legitimately I'm pretty bummed.

There's no doubt that there are some hurdles for him to be included, and it is disappointing that some governments are a bit overzealous with their media censorship to prevent the games from making it in without some big watering down. With that said, I knew what I was in for when I signed up, and he's always been a dark horse in the race, not exactly likely, but not impossible either. It's not like Smash hasn't included characters I would have given an extremely low chance score getting in, so there is some room for a Hail Mary-teir character like him. I still want and support him, regardless of the obstacles, because he would be a very fun and extremely iconic character, and the hype of seeing him finally fight Ryu like the many playground scenarios from my youth, as well as the sheer ridiculousness of him being juxtaposed with Isabelle and Kirby, would make him worth it. Hey, if support for characters that haven't seen the light of day for decades, been cut from the running due to NPC role, or even static images/logos can continue to get support here, then I ain't giving up on him.

As for costumes, I can see him getting a Cloud/Wario/Bayonetta treatment where he'd have his Klassic and more recent costumes, but the playstyle would probably be closer to the former rather than the latter. That's not to say they could pull stuff from later games, and I do encourage such, but as pupNapoleon stated, it is the most iconic look/feel of a character that will be utilized. Both Sakurai and Boon get the ultimate say on things, but I see Boon being an agreeable guy and trusting that Sakurai will deliver on a quality representation of the character/series.

As for Sub-Zero, if it means we get both characters, I will concede him being an Echo if that's what it takes. I think there's enough wiggle room that the specials could be altered enough with ice properties and a cosmetic change that they could make it work without sacrificing the character. Echoes are so hard to pin what makes them what they are, so even going the Echo road, we'd be looking more at a Ken rather than a Daisy, Is it ideal? Not really, but I'll absolutely take it to ensure we get both characters.

I'm glad to see this thread keep alive and, while it's a bit of a long-shot, still dream of getting the character in.

 

[BreadnJamTomorrow]

Question since this is somewhat of a hot topic right now: What is everybody's opinion on the grindy and microtransaction-infested nature of The Krypt in MK11?

In all honesty, this will probably have zero influence on Scorpion's inclusion in Smash since it's a LOOOOOOOONG shot to begin with. But I think it is important to bring up the opinions of fans and non-fans alike because it is ultimately up to them to decide if a character is welcomed or not.

I've heard that it's for cosmetics only, and is not as big of a deal as most alarmists have been saying it was. But personally, I hate it. Because of this, I will not buy MK11 unless it is addressed. That's just me though, I have a principle that I won't support lootbox systems or any other predatory means in games.

But perhaps I'm being overzealous. What do you think?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

MK11 in general has zero influence in Scorpion's inclusion, if you ask me.

The 27 years before it that the Mortal Kombat franchise spent, starting as a huge phenomenom with the original trilogy and remaining around as a household name in gaming, have a LOT of influence on that.

 

[MacDaddyNook]

MK11 in general has zero influence in Scorpion's inclusion, if you ask me.

The 27 years before it that the Mortal Kombat franchise spent, starting as a huge phenomenom with the original trilogy and remaining around as a household name in gaming, have a LOT of influence on that.

I agree completely. The franchise and character just have too much legacy for a single game to muddy. The only influence it could have it just to say that it's still alive and kicking.

Question since this is somewhat of a hot topic right now: What is everybody's opinion on the grindy and microtransaction-infested nature of The Krypt in MK11?

In all honesty, this will probably have zero influence on Scorpion's inclusion in Smash since it's a LOOOOOOOONG shot to begin with. But I think it is important to bring up the opinions of fans and non-fans alike because it is ultimately up to them to decide if a character is welcomed or not.

I've heard that it's for cosmetics only, and is not as big of a deal as most alarmists have been saying it was. But personally, I hate it. Because of this, I will not buy MK11 unless it is addressed. That's just me though, I have a principle that I won't support lootbox systems or any other predatory means in games.

But perhaps I'm being overzealous. What do you think?

To be honest, with all the other controversies this game has had leading up to release, I'm really not phased by it. Microtransactions isn't something I'm into, but it is optional content so I can ignore it for the most part. It is a shame how this game is being handled since the series does deserve better, I'm just hoping that they at least didn't mess up the gameplay.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Question since this is somewhat of a hot topic right now: What is everybody's opinion on the grindy and microtransaction-infested nature of The Krypt in MK11?

In all honesty, this will probably have zero influence on Scorpion's inclusion in Smash since it's a LOOOOOOOONG shot to begin with. But I think it is important to bring up the opinions of fans and non-fans alike because it is ultimately up to them to decide if a character is welcomed or not.

I've heard that it's for cosmetics only, and is not as big of a deal as most alarmists have been saying it was. But personally, I hate it. Because of this, I will not buy MK11 unless it is addressed. That's just me though, I have a principle that I won't support lootbox systems or any other predatory means in games.

But perhaps I'm being overzealous. What do you think?

The microtransactions like with the Krypt is probably just a shortcut for those who don’t want to grind and get everything the normal way. MKX had the same option where you could buy everything in the Krypt at a price, but I didn’t use it. Even the unlockable characters they give you the option to buy now for those who didn’t want to play through the story, like Brainiac in Injustice 2. Hate that crap most of all, but if you like the game enough otherwise on its own, just play through it and beat it without supporting the microtransactions. I didn’t buy a single one in MKX and still enjoyed it enough to the point I unlocked everything naturally.

 

[pupNapoleon]

There's no doubt that there are some hurdles for him to be included, and it is disappointing that some governments are a bit overzealous with their media censorship to prevent the games from making it in without some big watering down. With that said, I knew what I was in for when I signed up, and he's always been a dark horse in the race, not exactly likely, but not impossible either. It's not like Smash hasn't included characters I would have given an extremely low chance score getting in, so there is some room for a Hail Mary-teir character like him. I still want and support him, regardless of the obstacles, because he would be a very fun and extremely iconic character, and the hype of seeing him finally fight Ryu like the many playground scenarios from my youth, as well as the sheer ridiculousness of him being juxtaposed with Isabelle and Kirby, would make him worth it. Hey, if support for characters that haven't seen the light of day for decades, been cut from the running due to NPC role, or even static images/logos can continue to get support here, then I ain't giving up on him.

I honestly cannot believe I did not know how explicit this censorship was for Mortal Kombat.
I still support him, I just started to believe he could be a strong contender. This fallacy was completely shaken.

 

[Deleted member]

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Not to mention two characters using actual guns. Much more violent than a spear- no one uses a spear in real life.

You mean Joker and Bayonetta?

 

[Graizen]

E3 Smash Bros X Mortal Kombat 11 trailer be like :

 

[Deleted member]

If Scorpion was added in the Fighter Pass, who would voice him, Patrick Seitz (MK9, MKX) or Ron Yuan (MK11)?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

If Scorpion was added in the Fighter Pass, who would voice him, Patrick Seitz (MK9, MKX) or Ron Yuan (MK11)?

I'll say Ron Yuan because I think Snake is the only character who isn't voiced by their current voice actor, and that's only because they reused the Brawl clips.

But either way, Ed Boon will be the one saying "GET OVER HERE!" and any variation of that line, as he always did.

 

[Deleted member]

I'll say Ron Yuan because I think Snake is the only character who isn't voiced by their current voice actor, and that's only because they reused the Brawl clips.

But either way, Ed Boon will be the one saying "GET OVER HERE!" and any variation of that line, as he always did.

But is Ron a union actor?

Anyways, I'm certain this was said before but we all wanted Scorpion for Smash just so we can have Kirby say "GET OVER HERE!" and I don't blame you honestly.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

But is Ron a union actor?

So is Antony Del Rio and he still voices both Pits in Smash.

I'll assume you've mentionned this because of Cloud's lack of Steve Burton, but that's because his union doesn't allow him to get involved in a game without having his name in the credits, which is the typical way to get around unions (like Del Rio did)

So yeah, unions are complicated.

Anyways, I'm certain this was said before but we all wanted Scorpion for Smash just so we can have Kirby say "GET OVER HERE!" and I don't blame you honestly.

I want him because he's the closest thing to a Mortal Kombat x Street Fighter that we'll ever get.

And also because Scorpion is awesome.

Kirby saying "GET OVER HERE!" is just a bonus.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Could Scoprion's tether be programmed and modified off of Joker's up special?

 

[MacDaddyNook]

Could Scoprion's tether be programmed and modified off of Joker's up special?

I don't see why not. Either it or Isabelle's fishing rod could be easily repurposed for that with some simple changes to the numbers (angle, speed, etc) and some new animations.

Anyways, I'm certain this was said before but we all wanted Scorpion for Smash just so we can have Kirby say "GET OVER HERE!" and I don't blame you honestly.

I've made it no secret that I really want that, but there are several other reasons I want him in.

First off, he's a cool character with a strong legacy from a series that is still a household name. He's more than stood the test of time and is still just as iconic today while embodying the "extreme" philosophy of the 90's. He's a badass undead ninja with magic fire powers, what's not to like?

Being able to fianlly see Scorpion and Ryu go toe-to-toe is a childhood dream for many gamers who grew up during that ear and is on par with Mario vs Sonic and Link vs Cloud (both of which we already have).

He and his world is so different to what is already in Smash that it adds a bit more variety. Him being out of place alongside Isabelle and Pichu is so goofy that it actually captures the whole cheesy and silly nature of the MK series (dark and serious on the outside, campy and over-the-top on the inside).

And of course, I just like the games and would like seeing it get included in the biggest gaming crossover.

 

[UserKev]

MK 11's story is touching, I couldn't believe it. There were all around redemptions and new purposes for characters you wouldn't think. Its the most positive MK story.

 

[pupNapoleon]

MK 11's story is touching, I couldn't believe it. There were all around redemptions and new purposes for characters you wouldn't think. Its the most positive MK story.

And apparently the game is ten dollars off at most locations now (moreso due to price match Glitch, not because it is a registering with poor reception).

Being able to fianlly see Scorpion and Ryu go toe-to-toe is a childhood dream for many gamers who grew up during that ear and is on par with Mario vs Sonic and Link vs Cloud (both of which we already have).

This fully. While I mostly played Mortal Kombat, then Tekken, growing up, Street Fighter is still obviously one of the big three trifecta of fighting games (monetarily and from a franchise standpoint of media-- sorry Soul Calibre, Dead or Alive, etc).

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Please do not double post. Edit your messages instead.

(Incidentally, I'm a Smash Ultimate Newcomer Forum mod again. Considering how many still thought I was, it felt like I never left the position sometimes. XD)

 

[TableCloth]

Hey new user here on Smashboards! I fully support Scorpion in Smash. Him, Sub-Zero and Doomslayer are among my most wanted currently. I just love the idea of seeing Scorpion in Smash fighting against iconic characters like Mario and Ryu. His moveset can translate so well into Smash. Here's a rough concept of what a Scorpion Challenger Pack could include.

Scorpion (Obviously). MK2 Default skin with 5 different alts (6 total). Add a modern skin (MKX or MK11 default) and an alt color for that to make it 8.
The Pit stage. Both Day and Nighttime versions appear but it's random which one you get (Like Tortimer's Island in it's random layout)
Around 10 music tracks. Music from the Klassic MK stages (The Pit, The Deadpool etc.) Added bonus if they get the badass techno theme in somehow.

The mii costumes could be fun too. Raiden and Kung Lao Hats+costumes would be the perfect fit for mii gear for example.

I could go on and on about what MK could bring into Smash, but man the day I can have a 2v2 fight in Smash with Ryu and Ken facing off against Scorpion and Sub-Zero will be a great day indeed.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I’d like it if Scorpion’s alts all referenced the other ninjas.

There’s exactly eight of them too (not counting Chameleon because he’s a ****ing rainbow)

Scorpion
Sub-Zero
Reptile
Smoke
Noob
Ermac
Rain
Tremor

And Past Scorpion’s design from MK11 is legit perfect. It’s new, but clearly takes from the old.

 

[TableCloth]

Yeah those color alts would be perfect for him. Him getting blue would be the nail for Sub-Zero but hey, only 1 of them is likely anyway so I'll take it. Scorpion has a ton of designs he could pull from and imo I think almost all of them are pretty good. Wouldn't really mind any as long there is a Klassic like look in there.

Also MK could provide tons of "walk-off" stages. I don't know how much people like them (I don't mind them) but The Deadpool or Shao Kahn's Arena from MK2 would be perfect walkoff stages. Even have secrets in the background like having Reptile, Noob, or Jade pop up randomly from time to time would be a neat nod to MK fans.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I’d like it if Scorpion’s alts all referenced the other ninjas.

There’s exactly eight of them too (not counting Chameleon because he’s a ****ing rainbow)

Scorpion
Sub-Zero
Reptile
Smoke
Noob
Ermac
Rain
Tremor

And Past Scorpion’s design from MK11 is legit perfect. It’s new, but clearly takes from the old.

Besides that, Chameleon is more turquoise officially but otherwise has often a gray coloring(and Smoke fits that better).

It also helps that some characters started off as glitched clones of Scorpion, or otherwise are clones of him. Part of why I wouldn't mind them using the 4 base colors in a way. You could also justify a Ninja/Cyber Ninja set of alts, as the colors all match up in some way. We have a Yellow, Red, Blue, and White human ninja, and Cyber Ninjas of the same color. Of course some of them aren't the same person(with really only Sub-Zero and Smoke having both human and cyborg forms. Related, it's pretty neat that the only reason we knew of Sektor and Cyrax having human forms, though they swapped their ethnicities in the canon games, is because of the cartoon. We technically knew of it, but it's never mentioned in-game directly. When we found out Smoke became a cyborg, the rest was a "duh").

 

[AlexOviedo]

Question since this is somewhat of a hot topic right now: What is everybody's opinion on the grindy and microtransaction-infested nature of The Krypt in MK11?

In all honesty, this will probably have zero influence on Scorpion's inclusion in Smash since it's a LOOOOOOOONG shot to begin with. But I think it is important to bring up the opinions of fans and non-fans alike because it is ultimately up to them to decide if a character is welcomed or not.

I've heard that it's for cosmetics only, and is not as big of a deal as most alarmists have been saying it was. But personally, I hate it. Because of this, I will not buy MK11 unless it is addressed. That's just me though, I have a principle that I won't support lootbox systems or any other predatory means in games.

But perhaps I'm being overzealous. What do you think?

The Krypt doesn't even have microtransactions, the "Time Crystals" are the only in-game currency the player can buy and it can only buy cosmetics such as gear and intros (fatality tutorials at best), and the premium store it's always random so I don't see why someone would want to buy more. The actual main issue I've seen people talk about is that the towers of time mode is very difficult and the rewards it gives you are very poor, making it more difficult to go throught the krypt, but NR already addresed this and the game should get an update by the end of this week, the update is apparently going to make the progress of the krypt faster.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Looking more into it last night after more youtubers started going over it, it's worse than I initially realized. If it was still just MKX levels of grinding and stuff it wouldn't of been too consequential, but the way they have it set up now (to get everything in the krypt) is like a mobile game, and worse of all IMO, a lot of the krypt now is RNG; gone are the days of every coffin having set content, with you finding the particular things you want by going to certain coordinates first. Now you just gotta hope you can get what additional fatality, brutality, skin, etc you want for the characters you main by luck/chance.

The aforementioned incoming fix NRS said they'll have softens the blow a bit, but you may as well save everything you've earned and not spend anything in the krypt until then, if you ask me.

MK 11's story is touching, I couldn't believe it. There were all around redemptions and new purposes for characters you wouldn't think. Its the most positive MK story.

Indeed. As one who was really disappointed with MKX's story, which in turn kinda made MK9's worse for me in retrospect, I was quite surprised at how much better the writing was. Well I shouldn't of been given who was involved, but still.

There was some padding like towards the end but more often than not, it felt like there was more action and plenty things going on in between whereas with MKX's story, not too much really happened outside of the key events. And yes, the long awaited redemption arcs for a number of characters, Scorpion/Hanzo included. Such a breath of fresh air. It made me appreciate their arcade endings this time around that much more, though Scorpion's was an interesting possible leadup for a future story, even with his ending not being directly canon.


Back to Scorpion gameplay stuff, while I'm not a fan of it, it is interesting how his spear in MK11 makes him switch sides with the opponent, like a back throw. I doubt they'd implement the spear that way if he was included in Smash though.

 

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Just for fun, I came up with other Mortal Kombat Kharacters as spirits
Johnny Cage-
Sonya Blade-
Sub-Zero-Scorpion (Blue)
Liu Kang-
Kano-
Raiden-
Reptile-
Ermac-
Goro-
Shang Tsung-
Baraka-
Kitana-
Kintaro-
Kung Lao-
Jax-
Noob Saibot-
Smoke-Scorpion (Gray)
Shao Kahn-
Chameleon-
Triborg-
Kabal-
Motaro-
Rain-
Sheeva-
Nightwolf-
Sindel-
Stryker-
Kenshi-
Takeda-
Quan Chi-

Fighter Spirit:

Scorpion


Scorpion (Klassic)

And yes I know that half of the Spirits are from the original Mortal Kombat trilogy (with the exception of course of Quan Chi, Triborg, and the Takahashis. Also I didn't add in Jade and Mileena because I'd put them on the Kitana battle instead)