What are some good situations to use the Dair? I know its got good combo potential and can meteor, but I don't commonly use this move and can't apply its uses well. Something I would like to work into my game and expand my options.
So, I've practiced so many Greninja combos. I can do some pretty reliably in training. But how does one "get in" as Greninja? I always get walled out. Not sure if it's because I'm being too reckless, or what. But whenever I try to get something started (mostly with nair) I can never find the perfect moment to strike.
How to "get in" as Greninja? Pretty simple answer, actually: You don't. Greninja in general, is not very good at approaching with his slow frame data, as many of his moves are too slow to come out and or don't have long lasting hitboxes. It sounds like you're plaing him as a rushdown character, which he isn't really capable of since his approaches aren't really that good unless you are facing characters with bad out of shield options like
,
,
, or maybe another
. Instead of trying to get in, what you should be doing is staying just outside your opponent's range, poking them with shurikens, fair, bair, and dance around them your high mobility until they scream internally and do something stupid. To get around projectiles, simply walk (not dash) towards opponents and powershield them, substitute counter them, or simply avoid them altogether by jumping.
You kind of want to play Greninja like you'd play like our boy
, you don't really want to approach opponents, you want to
pretend like you're approaching: using your super speed to run circles around your enemies and try to aggravate them into performing a punishable actions, and I personally enjoy both characters for this and I find Sonic the easiest character to compare him to. Their actual ways of directly approaching opponents are pretty bad and they don't have the safest moves like true rushdown characters like Sheik, and such they are not very easy characters to learn, Greninja especially. Like Sonic, Greninja is no rushdown character, but instead a passive aggressive bait and punish character and that's the way he's best played.
If a real rushdown character is what you seek, you might be better off with one of the following than Greninja:
(only because of Jump and Speed arts), or to an extent
. If you play with customs on,
can also be a rushdown maniac.