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Tips against ganondorf (XD get it? "tips"? tipper?)

TedBoosley

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You people need to stop agruing over something so simple.

Ganon isn't easy to get offstage if he has half a brain, he knows that he is going to lose that stock or take a massive amount of damage if he gets off.

F-throw to f-smash? anyone who knows di isn't going to be hit by that. You are partly right about one fair leading to an extended combo but it rarely ever leads to death if the ganon knows how to di and break combos, which any decent ganon should because it happens alot.

Sonicwave, many things you said aren't true, I was surprised because you are normally quite knowledgable. And Ted, you are saying things that aren't the case much at all due to how people change during battles. No one is perfect all the time.

"3. Knee-jerk up-B in an attempt to grab Marth with it. Result: Marth is properly spaced and doesn't get grabbed, and you get f-smashed again because of your laggy *** up-B.

4. Tech and then air dodge onto stage. Result: Marth nairs his air dodge."

both of those aren't anything to be agruing about. Nine out of ten times the marth is going to be grabbed due to the nature of ganon's up-b and the fact the marth isn't going to space himself perfectly all the time. And as far as the tech and airdodge, Same thing, most marths are going to f-smash again due to them being worked up and intense on their edgeguarding, few keep their calm and react accordingly.

And you also said ganon is slow and predictable, that tells me you haven't played a good ganon before by a long shot.

Ganon vs marth is an even match, the marth has to be on his toes and properly space each attack or he dies in three hits and is just as easy to tech-chase as marth can tech-chase ganon as any ganon worth his salt can tech-chase well.

Edgeguarding shouldn't even be this much of an agruement as marth can be edgeguarded effortlessly due to him usually being knocked so far he has to use his second jump early and ganon having his uair edgeguard.
You have no idea who or what I've played against, thanks.

I have yet to lose a tournament set to a Ganon player, granted I've yet to play RockCrock's Ganon or Linguini's Ganon (I have a $5 MM lined up with him). But I did 2-stock Renth's Ganon twice in a row to win a $5 MM, and 3-0'd Crom's (CFL Ganon) in 3 straight 2-3 stocks in the semi-finals of a tournament (which I won), so you saying I have no Ganon experience is complete boloney.

Oh, and my ledge spacing is perfect 95% of the time, and missing the nair on the air-dodge just means you have ****ty reaction times. Call bull**** on me, I really don't care.

And Ganon doesn't always knock you too far to recover correctly, assuming you DI up and toward on his aerials (fair will usually put you too far, but not bair and uair).

Ganon vs. Marth is even if the Marth player is average, not if he is pro.
 

thebluedeath1000

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I am quite bothered to see what marth board members think of ganon vs marth as you think its a joke apparently and hes an easy match.
Ganon can kill marth as easily as marth can kill ganon, ganon can edgeguard marth as easily as marth can edgeguard him. You can scream all you want about how easily ganon is to combo but the fact is, most of your combos aren't going to lead to death and ganon doesn't need to hit you but oh, say four times before you are history. I main marth and secondary ganon and I have taken both to a competitive level. I know both of these characters well and know this matchup perfectly.

The cold hard fact is, its an uphill battle for both characters due to what they can do to each other.

A mistake on either side leads to heavy punishing, maybe not so much for marth due to his speed but you also throw in the fact ganon can take far more punishment, its even in that case as well.

And give it a rest on the edgeguarding for the fact marth's tippers send ganon upward, yeah, meaning he can down-b and get his second jump back, allowing him to make his recovery variable so everyone shut up on ganon's recovery being so bad.


And Ted, I'm calling you bull for the fact you know nothing of the matchup due to how you speak about it. I don't believe you've beaten renth's ganon what so ever based on your assumptions on the matchup.
 

TedBoosley

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I am quite bothered to see what marth board members think of ganon vs marth as you think its a joke apparently and hes an easy match.
Ganon can kill marth as easily as marth can kill ganon, ganon can edgeguard marth as easily as marth can edgeguard him. You can scream all you want about how easily ganon is to combo but the fact is, most of your combos aren't going to lead to death and ganon doesn't need to hit you but oh, say four times before you are history. I main marth and secondary ganon and I have taken both to a competitive level. I know both of these characters well and know this matchup perfectly.

The cold hard fact is, its an uphill battle for both characters due to what they can do to each other.

A mistake on either side leads to heavy punishing, maybe not so much for marth due to his speed but you also throw in the fact ganon can take far more punishment, its even in that case as well.

And give it a rest on the edgeguarding for the fact marth's tippers send ganon upward, yeah, meaning he can down-b and get his second jump back, allowing him to make his recovery variable so everyone shut up on ganon's recovery being so bad.


And Ted, I'm calling you bull for the fact you know nothing of the matchup due to how you speak about it. I don't believe you've beaten renth's ganon what so ever based on your assumptions on the matchup.
Boy, I wish Renth read the Marth boards so he could prove you wrong.

I think you're just johning because you lost to Ganons so now you're arguing that it's a fair and even matchup to make yourself feel better.

I bet you think Marth vs. Samus is even too, huh?
 

thebluedeath1000

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I wish he here was too.

And I love how you said that last part about johning, meaning you have nothing to retort with.

You show little knowledge about the matchup and boast many things about marth like its easy or something, if you did beat renth, he didn't care about that matchup but I honestly don't believe it.

I'm not going to waste time agruing over something many marth players should know already. But I guess I was wrong due to the fact you are agruing with me and the past posts.
 

TedBoosley

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I wish he here was too.

And I love how you said that last part about johning, meaning you have nothing to retort with.

You show little knowledge about the matchup and boast many things about marth like its easy or something, if you did beat renth, he didn't care about that matchup but I honestly don't believe it.

I'm not going to waste time agruing over something many marth players should know already. But I guess I was wrong due to the fact you are agruing with me and the past posts.
Yeah, he just felt like giving me $5.

I have plenty to retort with, but there's no point, since none of it is sticking. UNLESS YOU SUCK *** AT SPACING, GANON IS EASY CHEESE. End.
 

thebluedeath1000

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And once again, you make an idiotic post..You're right there is no point, you don't listen or have any matchup knowledge.

"Ganon is easy, just space and you win, no problems" That is so wrong its not funny...
 

TedBoosley

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And once again, you make an idiotic post..You're right there is no point, you don't listen or have any matchup knowledge.

"Ganon is easy, just space and you win, no problems" That is so wrong its not funny...
Oh my good god. What Ganons have YOU played against to gain this overwhelming knowledge of the matchup? Playing both characters doesn't mean you're good at the matchup. **** if I know how to play against Marth with Jigglypuff or Roy, and I 'main' both of them as well.
 

thebluedeath1000

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Good players, I've played both sides is how I know the matchup.. I'll say what you said

"You don't know me or who I've played"

I really don't care to agrue this further because theres no reason to.

Good day.
 
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Ganon has a fair matchup to Marth, especially if that Ganon knows how to fight Marth... mindgames aside for a second, although Marth's combos are devastating to Ganon, a well timed counteraerial can send him away in a hurry, allowing you to escape... If you're off of the level, you're going to hope that you'll be even to the level by the time you can use your Up B... I've seen my friend use his Warlock Kick to stop the Fsmash then Warlock Kick again for the kill... so it depends heavily upon your opponent's habits...

While Marth has the advantage due to his speed and ability to punish Ganon for his attack lag, it is by no means an easy match... it's a fairer match than people think...
 

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Only to noobs would say ganon is easy for marth, any decent ganons can edgeguard marth fairly easy. Let alone ganon can kill marth like at 80%. I still believe Marth has an advantage over ganon, but its not like a landslide like people are trying to say it is.
 

Gannondorf the fifth

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Only to noobs would say ganon is easy for marth, any decent ganons can edgeguard marth fairly easy. Let alone ganon can kill marth like at 80%. I still believe Marth has an advantage over ganon, but its not like a landslide like people are trying to say it is.
Exactly. That was kind of a "nutshell" of my presentations from before.
 

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Boy, I wish Renth read the Marth boards so he could prove you wrong.

I think you're just johning because you lost to Ganons so now you're arguing that it's a fair and even matchup to make yourself feel better.

I bet you think Marth vs. Samus is even too, huh?
Depends, who do YOU think would win between the two? I mained samus for a long time to counter the fact that playing my same friends over and over, they started to figure out a strategy against my gannon, but they didn't have shiza on my samus. My samus would definately beat my marth but it'd be a close-*** match
 

thebluedeath1000

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Marth vs Samus? no, I don't think its even at all due to what marth can get away with, how he can combo her to death much easier than she can him. How he can bypass her missles and destroy her ccing game.

No sir, I don't think samus vs marth is even, and stop with the agruing, I'm not turning this thread into a flame war.
 

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This fight is even.

Nothing more need be said.

Embelm Lord has spoken.
 

thebluedeath1000

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Thank you emblem lord!!

I'm glad another marth board member actually sees it the way I do. I even stated the reasons why the fight is even but apparently some people cannot see that.
 

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Here's my take on it.

The match is definitely not easy for marth. It's pretty close to even (maybe a SLIGHT advantage to marth on certain stages), but it should never be taken lightly for a marth. Yes, ganon isn't tough to edgeguard, but you still have to be persistent sometimes. Also, Ganon's got a beastly edgeguard game against marth. As I've heard it so dearly put, Ganon's bair after marth's second jump is "like punching a baby". Plus, lets not forget about just how gay the uairs can **** anyone's recovery. Marth combos the hell out of ganon, but ganon owns marth in just a few hits.

Summary: Ganon and Marth **** each other off the stage. Marth combos, Ganon's punches ****.

Summary of summary: mudkips.
 

mood4food77

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...looks one way....then the other

then realizes doesn't have a flame sheild so tries ice sheild

doesn't go very well now

......XD

anyways, really, the only thing marth has that keeps this match even is that fair
 

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Hmmm, I don't think so, but I could almost say the same thing about Ganon.
 

mood4food77

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ganon ***** marth with throws

his fair has a slight bit more reach

ganon has more juggles on marth than marth on ganon
 

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I think Marth wins on the ground with his tilts, his tech chasing and his edgeguarding.

Ganon wins with his grabs, power and ability to kill at lower percents.

This is just a general look at things of course.

FYI they both have good combos on each other. But let's be real here. Marth is one of the best comboers in the game. Ganon really doesn't compare.

Not trying to snub Ganon, just being real.
 

mood4food77

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most of marth's comboes don't work on ganon's fat@$$

so fair really is the only thing marth's got

if marth didn't have fair...he would be nothing

i'll give marth utilt also...fsmash is just fast
 

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Fair to u-tilt to blah blah.

Or Fair to Fair to blah blah. You guys know the rest.

Marth's combos are beastly. lol.
 

mood4food77

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ganon doesn't need comboes

but his are greater in teh fact he can finish them off better
 

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Yeah, he just felt like giving me $5.

I have plenty to retort with, but there's no point, since none of it is sticking. UNLESS YOU SUCK *** AT SPACING, GANON IS EASY CHEESE. End.
haha,the matchup is even,get over it, ive said it once and ill say it again. An aggressive marth loses to a ganon, a defensive marth goes even with ganon.If you say otherwise next time I go to CFL ill $20 mm your marth, you down?
 

thebluedeath1000

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Ganon just needs to tech chase marth and get him in the air is all...I have to disagree if you claim ganon can end his combos better, marth can end it with a spike or f-smash usually.

Thanks linguini for posting, I appreicate you coming in here and agreeing with me as you were a big part of the agruement. (being a respected ganon player)
 

mood4food77

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linguini...why is your ganon so sexy

i mean, it's almost as sexy as some falcon's...but it's not

ganon can end his with an fair/bair almost all the time

and no, marth can't end in dair that often
 

REDRAGON

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Where are some matches when a pro Ganon beats a pro Marth???

.......................are there even any???.........
 

mood4food77

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i said linguini's ganon is almost as sexy as falcon's are, but he can't compete with that

never said anything fighting wise

how dare you yell at the hungry one

....XD

and yes there are, just gotta search
 

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i live on youtube? Not sure where that idea came from....

i can't think of any really good ones off hand, but at FC, I remember linguini did really well against m2k in regional crews. I'm sure the vid of that is floating around somewhere.

the husband eddie vid may be old, but a lot of the stuff in that vid still definitely applies.
 
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